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I believe in most states, I know it is in Florida, the Superintendent is legally responsible for the education all K-12 student within the district, regardless of whether they are home schooled, in public, or private school. However, the actual availability of services such as testing and special ed. varies from district to district. It shouldn't but it does.You use the word system as if there were one system. There are as many systems as there are districts and services can vary tremendously from district to district. In the district I worked in, I doubt you would have the problems you experienced. The reason is our superintendent and board were commitment to partnering with private schools, homeschoolers, and the community to provide quality education to all students in the district.I doubt very much that you've dealt with attempting to get services provided from public schools either from private schools or homeschooling. For the past 8 years it's been close to impossible to get them to agree to testing until March, by then they've run out of budgeting and try to get the case carried over into the next school year. Call in the fall and they respond with, after we finish testing here, we'll call back. It takes the parents to threaten lawsuits and guess what? These are often the same folks who pulled their kids out of public schools because they didn't want the child tested in the first place.
You do not have an inkling of the system.
Homeschooling parents have a very difficult time just getting the appropriate texts even though the school must provide them or provide the ability to get them through publishers.
BTW, standardized tests are interchangeable. Each state has their own version of 'state tests' based upon certain criteria. Iowa Basics and Terra Nova have both been providing the same, for more years than any state tests.
Sorry about your bad experience.
You were the one that started speaking in generalities. You were the one that spoke about 1 test for public and standardized testing in other schools not being of the same standards. Ha, my guess would be that in creationist leaning states, their 'standardized' tests by the state are not quite that. You won't see that problem with independent tests such as Pearson, (Terra Nova) or Iowa Basics.
You 'doubt' regarding your 'system'? LOL! What would you expect the superintendent to say regarding 'best for all', since the requirements are law? As I said, you've not an inkling.
Interesting.I did not know that.
But I am curious about the growth of homeschooling through the use of the internet, the growth of its popularity, and how it would save states' budgets.
In Colorado, because of the many remote Mountain communities, Internet Schooling seems to be more popular than in most metropolitan areas. But there's no reason it COULD NOT be more greatly utilized......RIGHT?
Unless parents are using public schools as free baby sitting services.
Of course we know, they'd never do that.
I think home schooling could be used a lot more if the parents have the time, dedication, and the right home environment. I would think home schooling several kids at different grade levels would be pretty hard.
So, then you believe parents do not have the time, dedication, and the right home environment.....perhaps this is the problem, since this is where kids spend most of their time.
Anyway, here's some MYTHBUSTERS:
Myths and Facts About Online Schools| Colorado Virtual Academy
MYTH: Students who attend online schools lack socialization and social skills.
FACT: Students at the Colorado Virtual Academy have the opportunity to participate in many academic and social outings. These outings and activities may include trips to museums, skate parks, zoos, clubs, student government, dances, and even graduation ceremonies.
MYTH : Youll spend all day staring at a computer.
FACT: While attendance, planning, and assessment are all recorded online, only about 30 percent of the K-8 lessons are taught online, with the percentage higher for high school as students work at more of a collective pace online in conjunction with the teacher. The rest of the K¹² curriculum relies on printed and/or hands-on materials, including beautifully crafted textbooks, paint, rocks, and telescopes.
MYTH : Attending the Colorado Virtual Academy is a part-time job.
FACT: Students will need to spend about four to six hours on schoolwork each day, depending on grade level.
MYTH : Online schools dont meet the curriculum requirements for public schools.
FACT: The Colorado Virtual Academy is a public school that happens to operate outside of a traditional classroom. As public school students, your children will be expected to spend a certain amount of time each day engaged in schoolwork. They will also be required to take standardized tests mandated by the state of Colorado. COVA students also have district-approved graduation requirements, aligned to meet state university admission standards. The K¹² curriculum was developed by experts to meet or exceed Colorado Academic Standards, and has proven to be one of the top-scoring online school curriculum programs in the nation
Then I guess they must have one. I checked their web site and it said 9-12.My kids took the Iowa's in elementary school.
Interesting.I think home schooling could be used a lot more if the parents have the time, dedication, and the right home environment. I would think home schooling several kids at different grade levels would be pretty hard.
So, then you believe parents do not have the time, dedication, and the right home environment.....perhaps this is the problem, since this is where kids spend most of their time.
Anyway, here's some MYTHBUSTERS:
Myths and Facts About Online Schools| Colorado Virtual Academy
MYTH: Students who attend online schools lack socialization and social skills.
FACT: Students at the Colorado Virtual Academy have the opportunity to participate in many academic and social outings. These outings and activities may include trips to museums, skate parks, zoos, clubs, student government, dances, and even graduation ceremonies.
MYTH : Youll spend all day staring at a computer.
FACT: While attendance, planning, and assessment are all recorded online, only about 30 percent of the K-8 lessons are taught online, with the percentage higher for high school as students work at more of a collective pace online in conjunction with the teacher. The rest of the K¹² curriculum relies on printed and/or hands-on materials, including beautifully crafted textbooks, paint, rocks, and telescopes.
MYTH : Attending the Colorado Virtual Academy is a part-time job.
FACT: Students will need to spend about four to six hours on schoolwork each day, depending on grade level.
MYTH : Online schools dont meet the curriculum requirements for public schools.
FACT: The Colorado Virtual Academy is a public school that happens to operate outside of a traditional classroom. As public school students, your children will be expected to spend a certain amount of time each day engaged in schoolwork. They will also be required to take standardized tests mandated by the state of Colorado. COVA students also have district-approved graduation requirements, aligned to meet state university admission standards. The K¹² curriculum was developed by experts to meet or exceed Colorado Academic Standards, and has proven to be one of the top-scoring online school curriculum programs in the nation
Both parents work in 58% of families in the US. I really don't see how home schooling would work in most of these families. In the remaining 42%, I think you would have to eliminate the functionality illiterates, homemakers that are overly burden with child care, housekeeping, and other duties. Also, there are a lot of parents that are very happy with the local public or private school in their neighborhood and are not about to take on home schooling. Then there's the issue of the kids who want to be in band or play football, or simply just want to go to school with their friends. When you consider all this, I don't think home schooling is ever going to be an option for most parents, although I think it has some room to grow.
I think the problem is the results that the schools are getting. I think most people would be willing to pay teachers more-if students performed better.
I personally have no problem throwing money at teachers-but not blindly. I think our education system needs to be revamped. A good compromise is to pay teachers more, but get rid of tenure. Getting rid of tenure will naturally make is so that the best teachers are in the classrooms (or at least the worst teachers are out), and by raising salaries you add more incentive to potential teachers.
I don't think education is something that can be fixed just by paying more money-but I also don't think GOOD teachers get paid enough-bad teachers are overpaid and should be fired.
I think the problem is the results that the schools are getting. I think most people would be willing to pay teachers more-if students performed better.
I personally have no problem throwing money at teachers-but not blindly. I think our education system needs to be revamped. A good compromise is to pay teachers more, but get rid of tenure. Getting rid of tenure will naturally make is so that the best teachers are in the classrooms (or at least the worst teachers are out), and by raising salaries you add more incentive to potential teachers.
I don't think education is something that can be fixed just by paying more money-but I also don't think GOOD teachers get paid enough-bad teachers are overpaid and should be fired.
If our teachers are so good....why are the students in this country lagging so far behind the rest of the world?
I don't know if the world is demanding education delivered via the Internet. I know it would be very cost effective if we could just sit all the kids down at computers at home and education would just happen without teachers, schools, and all the associated cost. We are not there yet and in my opinion we will probably never be there. A computer is a good tool in education but it remains a tool and it doesn't replace the teacher or the school.Interesting.So, then you believe parents do not have the time, dedication, and the right home environment.....perhaps this is the problem, since this is where kids spend most of their time.
Anyway, here's some MYTHBUSTERS:
Myths and Facts About Online Schools| Colorado Virtual Academy
Both parents work in 58% of families in the US. I really don't see how home schooling would work in most of these families. In the remaining 42%, I think you would have to eliminate the functionality illiterates, homemakers that are overly burden with child care, housekeeping, and other duties. Also, there are a lot of parents that are very happy with the local public or private school in their neighborhood and are not about to take on home schooling. Then there's the issue of the kids who want to be in band or play football, or simply just want to go to school with their friends. When you consider all this, I don't think home schooling is ever going to be an option for most parents, although I think it has some room to grow.
My point wasn't that it should be an option.
In light of increasing school costs, the band, football, and "being happy with the [traditional] public school," or "going to school with friends" become increasingly luxurious in a world that demands more internet learning. Why not make it more a part of public education?
If anyone wants to be with friends, play football, or be happy playing the tuba, why should the public pay?
Not everything is subjective. When I was 18 years old, I could run a mile in about 4:30 and three miles in under 15 minutes. That is not subjective. It really, really happened.
Today I could do neither of those things. Again, not subjective. A real hard fact.
Another fact is that our educational system used to produce students who ranked number one in the world on test scores. Now they are 19th. Not subjective. Stack ranking.
Unions and particularly unions comprised of governemnt workers overwhelmingly support Domocrat politicians through contributions. Again, not subjective. Fact.
A good way to measure anything is to determine first what is measurable and how to measure it. Once this is done, you are faced with the problem of doing something to move the needle. For 25 years, our educational system has moved the needle down.
Instead of talking about the unfair wages which have been rising, why not talk about the unfair results which have been dropping. Both of these, again, not subjective. Facts.
Actually, everything is subjective because enable for something to be true it must be held as true by everyone in the world. Enable for something to exist, then someone must acknowledge its existence (perception = existence). While it may exist to that single person, it may not to everyone else (because for something that is considered true to single person is a form of opinion which ties into the concept of subjectivity). The idea that we have gravity is not true either because gravity did not exist before time and space was created (not to mention mankind didn't really define what gravity is until Isaac Newton did). Even that statement I just made is subjective because that is what I believe (while others may not/do not know about it).
Another explanation is that enable for something to be true it must be permanent and since nothing is permanent then nothing is true. Give me an atheist and a theist. One believes in a god, while the other does not. Are they both right? No because it is their opinion (of course, this is a more obvious example). Everything I just said up there is subjective. This is nothing but a simple Taoist principle...
Oh, and the reason why wages are rising (which I trouble believing because I have educators in my family who have been in a pay freeze for about six years) is because the value of that the worldwide economy is always growing. Just because their wages are rising, doesn't mean it makes a huge difference. I can tell you. I have a close friend who's a single mother of two who is currently teaching English at a high school and she can barely support her children. She tutors, teaches at Sylvan, etc. It's still not enough.
Also, the concept is simple... if you raise requirements and increase pay then you will attract better, more qualified educators.
If the USA paid teachers like WALL STREET pays its workers, what do you suppose would happen to the average IQ of our educators?
I suspect that it might improve somewhat.
Anybody disagree?
I believe in most states, I know it is in Florida, the Superintendent is legally responsible for the education all K-12 student within the district, regardless of whether they are home schooled, in public, or private school. However, the actual availability of services such as testing and special ed. varies from district to district. It shouldn't but it does.You use the word system as if there were one system. There are as many systems as there are districts and services can vary tremendously from district to district. In the district I worked in, I doubt you would have the problems you experienced. The reason is our superintendent and board were commitment to partnering with private schools, homeschoolers, and the community to provide quality education to all students in the district.
Sorry about your bad experience.
You were the one that started speaking in generalities. You were the one that spoke about 1 test for public and standardized testing in other schools not being of the same standards. Ha, my guess would be that in creationist leaning states, their 'standardized' tests by the state are not quite that. You won't see that problem with independent tests such as Pearson, (Terra Nova) or Iowa Basics.
You 'doubt' regarding your 'system'? LOL! What would you expect the superintendent to say regarding 'best for all', since the requirements are law? As I said, you've not an inkling.
BTW As I recall Iowa Tests of Educational Development is just for grades 9-12.
Iowa Tests of Basic Skills
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The Iowa Tests of Basic Skills (ITBS), also known as the Iowa Tests, are standardized tests provided as a service to schools by the College of Education of the University of Iowa. The tests are administered to students in kindergarten through eighth grade as part of the Iowa Statewide Testing Programs, a division of the Iowa Testing Programs (ITP). Developers E. F. Lindquist, Harry Greene, Ernest Horn, Maude McBroom, and Herbert Spitzer first designed and administered the tests, originally named the Iowa Every Pupil Test of Basic Skills, in 1935 as a tool to improve instruction.[1] Over decades, participation expanded and currently nearly all school districts in Iowa participate annually in the program, as do many other school districts across the United States. In a cooperative relationship, participating schools receive ITBS test materials, scoring and reporting services and consultation in the use of ITBS for instructional purposes, and ITP utilizes participation by schools in research and test development.[2]
Then I guess they must have one. I checked their web site and it said 9-12.My kids took the Iowa's in elementary school.
Iowa Test of Educational Development | K12 Academics
If the USA paid teachers like WALL STREET pays its workers, what do you suppose would happen to the average IQ of our educators?
I suspect that it might improve somewhat.
Anybody disagree?
If the USA paid teachers like WALL STREET pays its workers, what do you suppose would happen to the average IQ of our educators?
I suspect that it might improve somewhat.
Anybody disagree?
)and get better each day.
What evidence is there that smart people make good teachers?
Best teacher I ever had was a football coach. Taught me to be a man, stand up, do right, make no excuses, work hard in the real world, the classroom second, the field third, play fair (well most of the time
And he wasn't very smart as far as IQ goes.
What evidence is there that smart people make good teachers?
Best teacher I ever had was a football coach. Taught me to be a man, stand up, do right, make no excuses, work hard in the real world, the classroom second, the field third, play fair (well most of the time
And he wasn't very smart as far as IQ goes.
Well, I would like to have a calculus teacher be knowledgeable of the subject he or she is teaching and be fairly intelligent. Now, what you are talking about is wisdom and common sense (both which are necessary and essential characteristics in an effective teacher).
