Pastor Terry Burning Korans VS Ground Zero Mosque: Hypocricy is rampant

Yup.

In many ways these issues share similar traits.

They both demand that we recognize the Americans' Consitutional rights to freedom of expression, to private property, and to freedom of association and religion.

If one is being consistent with the Constitution, burning the Koran is a non issue.

Likewise, building that mosque is ALSO a non-issue.

Like riding up and down in elevators all day farting may be Constitutionally protected, that doesn't make it ethical.Of course with the Mosque, that is an issue of conquest. Ethics has no part in it anyway. Koran burning? Waste of a good match.
 
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Yup.

In many ways these issues share similar traits.

They both demand that we recognize the Americans' Consitutional rights to freedom of expression, to private property, and to freedom of association and religion.

If one is being consistent with the Constitution, burning the Koran is a non issue.

Likewise, building that mosque is ALSO a non-issue.

Like riding up and down in elevators all day farting may be Constitutionally protected, that doesn't make it ethical.Of course with the Mosque, that is an issue of conquest. Ethics has no part in it anyway. Koran burning? Waste of a good match.

An issue of conquest?
 
Yup.

In many ways these issues share similar traits.

They both demand that we recognize the Americans' Consitutional rights to freedom of expression, to private property, and to freedom of association and religion.

If one is being consistent with the Constitution, burning the Koran is a non issue.

Likewise, building that mosque is ALSO a non-issue.

Like riding up and down in elevators all day farting may be Constitutionally protected, that doesn't make it ethical.Of course with the Mosque, that is an issue of conquest. Ethics has no part in it anyway. Koran burning? Waste of a good match.

An issue of conquest?

The most basic part of the Foundation of Islam.
 
Like riding up and down in elevators all day farting may be Constitutionally protected, that doesn't make it ethical.Of course with the Mosque, that is an issue of conquest. Ethics has no part in it anyway. Koran burning? Waste of a good match.

An issue of conquest?

The most basic part of the Foundation of Islam.

So, this has nothing to do with first amendment rights or sensitivity to people's losses...we are at war with ISLAM

Thank you for proving you right wingers are hiding behind all these other 'issues'
 
An issue of conquest?

The most basic part of the Foundation of Islam.

So, this has nothing to do with first amendment rights or sensitivity to people's losses...we are at war with ISLAM

Thank you for proving you right wingers are hiding behind all these other 'issues'

Where have you been for the last 50 years? Islumers wants to re-establish a caliphate that existed about 800 years ago that included Spain, Northern Africa... And then they want to have sharia law rule the entire planet.
We have nukes, I say we do a pre-emptive strike and turn the whole middle east into a nice smooth sheet of glass.
 
Likewise. Both are legally within their rights. Morally, both are totally wrong. Having seen some of the posts on both topics, I kinda wonder whether some people actually understand the meaning of the term 'morals'.

We are still at war in Afghanistan. If terrorists do something that means danger for America troops, then we blast them.

What this guy is doing is a terrible danger to our troops and other Americans overseas.
This is NOT about "free speech". It's an act of sedition. It's aiding and abetting the enemy.

This guy should be arrested by the military. This will protect our troops. At least two generals, the secratary of state and the Commander in Chief have said so.

General Petraeus and the US were waging a propaganda war in Afghanistan. Some suicide bombers blew themselves up by accident inside a Mosque which destroyed the Mosque. This news has now been crowed off by this Christian Republican pastor.

Other examples of Muslims turning against al Qaeda. The tourist massacre in Egypt turned Egyptian Muslims against al Qaeda. The suicide bombers at a wedding turned Iraq against al Qaeda. This right wing Christian Republican pastor possibly blew such a chance in Afghanistan.
 
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Yup.

In many ways these issues share similar traits.

They both demand that we recognize the Americans' Consitutional rights to freedom of expression, to private property, and to freedom of association and religion.

If one is being consistent with the Constitution, burning the Koran is a non issue.

Likewise, building that mosque is ALSO a non-issue.

Similarities:
Yup like I said both sides have the right to do so but just because they have the right doesn't mean they should.

Differences:
Burning the Koran has no merit to it at all.
Building the community center, if it didn't cause so much hurt amoungst many americans, would have merit to it but considering the reaction of the majority of americans anyone who is truly interested in reconcilliation would choose a less controversial location to build the center.
 
Yup.

In many ways these issues share similar traits.

They both demand that we recognize the Americans' Consitutional rights to freedom of expression, to private property, and to freedom of association and religion.

If one is being consistent with the Constitution, burning the Koran is a non issue.

Likewise, building that mosque is ALSO a non-issue.

Like riding up and down in elevators all day farting may be Constitutionally protected, that doesn't make it ethical.Of course with the Mosque, that is an issue of conquest. Ethics has no part in it anyway. Koran burning? Waste of a good match.

An issue of conquest?

Study the history of Cordoba Spain. You can see it was once controlled by christians. Then muslims defeated the christians, tore down their church, and built a mosque. Then the christians reconquered the muslims and did the same thing to the mosque.

Consider that history and then consider the name choice by the builders of the mosque in relation to that history. This may help you understand what intense was getting at.
 
Like riding up and down in elevators all day farting may be Constitutionally protected, that doesn't make it ethical.Of course with the Mosque, that is an issue of conquest. Ethics has no part in it anyway. Koran burning? Waste of a good match.

An issue of conquest?

Study the history of Cordoba Spain. You can see it was once controlled by christians. Then muslims defeated the christians, tore down their church, and built a mosque. Then the christians reconquered the muslims and did the same thing to the mosque.

Consider that history and then consider the name choice by the builders of the mosque in relation to that history. This may help you understand what intense was getting at.
"Park 51" is the name of the Muslim cultural center.

About Park51: Park51 is a nonsectarian community, cultural and interfaith spiritual center along with a Muslim prayer area and a monument to honor all those we lost on 9/11. Park51 enriches lower Manhattan in body and spirit, with ecologically conscious design and operation. Our goals are pluralism, service, arts and culture, health and healing. A group of downtown Muslim-Americans envisioned a sanctuary where everyone is welcome to learn, experience the arts and culture and explore their relationship to faith. In the near future, Park51 will offer green, world-class recreational and educational facilities, and a friendly and accessible platform for conversations across our identities.
PARK51.
 
An issue of conquest?

The most basic part of the Foundation of Islam.

So, this has nothing to do with first amendment rights or sensitivity to people's losses...we are at war with ISLAM

Thank you for proving you right wingers are hiding behind all these other 'issues'

I'm not hiding anything, Einstein. I've pretty much been an open book. Islam is at war with the World. Islam need's reform, specifically in the area of Human Rights violations and abuses. Start with impartial and equal justice. There is no hate in my statement to you. You too need reform, you can start by being honest with yourself and expand from there. The Mosque issue for me is about location. Compromise would be nice. It it ethical for protest to effect the decision? Yes. Force of Law? No. Same holds for the issue of Koran Burning. I am not at war with Islam. Until Islam is reformed it is at war with me and anyone that does not submit to it's predatory and Totalitarian will. You want to stand there with a straight face and tell me that the penalty for conversion away from Islam being death is okay with you????? Is that an example of peaceful and civil conduct to you?????

The key here, is Reform, renounce that which is criminal and abusive, set a new course in Harmony with God's will that does not make excuses for murder. Being Predatory is not being Godly. Shhhhh!!!!! It's a secret.
 
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Likewise. Both are legally within their rights. Morally, both are totally wrong. Having seen some of the posts on both topics, I kinda wonder whether some people actually understand the meaning of the term 'morals'.

We are still at war in Afghanistan. If terrorists do something that means danger for America troops, then we blast them.

What this guy is doing is a terrible danger to our troops and other Americans overseas.
This is NOT about "free speech". It's an act of sedition. It's aiding and abetting the enemy.

This guy should be arrested by the military. This will protect our troops. At least two generals, the secratary of state and the Commander in Chief have said so.

General Petraeus and the US were waging a propaganda war in Afghanistan. Some suicide bombers blew themselves up by accident inside a Mosque which destroyed the Mosque. This news has now been crowed off by this Christian Republican pastor.

Other examples of Muslims turning against al Qaeda. The tourist massacre in Egypt turned Egyptian Muslims against al Qaeda. The suicide bombers at a wedding turned Iraq against al Qaeda. This right wing Christian Republican pastor possibly blew such a chance in Afghanistan.

Absurd. So when someone agree's with you, free speech is important, only when they agree with you. Now you advocate Military Police arresting US Citizens for legal protest issues? Should we water board him too???? Reform is Good. Standing up for Justice is good. Obstructing what you don't approve of is very questionable?
 
An issue of conquest?

Study the history of Cordoba Spain. You can see it was once controlled by christians. Then muslims defeated the christians, tore down their church, and built a mosque. Then the christians reconquered the muslims and did the same thing to the mosque.

Consider that history and then consider the name choice by the builders of the mosque in relation to that history. This may help you understand what intense was getting at.
"Park 51" is the name of the Muslim cultural center.

About Park51: Park51 is a nonsectarian community, cultural and interfaith spiritual center along with a Muslim prayer area and a monument to honor all those we lost on 9/11. Park51 enriches lower Manhattan in body and spirit, with ecologically conscious design and operation. Our goals are pluralism, service, arts and culture, health and healing. A group of downtown Muslim-Americans envisioned a sanctuary where everyone is welcome to learn, experience the arts and culture and explore their relationship to faith. In the near future, Park51 will offer green, world-class recreational and educational facilities, and a friendly and accessible platform for conversations across our identities.
PARK51.

For now, until they change it again. The Cordoba Initiative is still the Cordoba Initiative. ;) Are you Sharia Compliant?????
 
Study the history of Cordoba Spain. You can see it was once controlled by christians. Then muslims defeated the christians, tore down their church, and built a mosque. Then the christians reconquered the muslims and did the same thing to the mosque.

Consider that history and then consider the name choice by the builders of the mosque in relation to that history. This may help you understand what intense was getting at.
"Park 51" is the name of the Muslim cultural center.

About Park51: Park51 is a nonsectarian community, cultural and interfaith spiritual center along with a Muslim prayer area and a monument to honor all those we lost on 9/11. Park51 enriches lower Manhattan in body and spirit, with ecologically conscious design and operation. Our goals are pluralism, service, arts and culture, health and healing. A group of downtown Muslim-Americans envisioned a sanctuary where everyone is welcome to learn, experience the arts and culture and explore their relationship to faith. In the near future, Park51 will offer green, world-class recreational and educational facilities, and a friendly and accessible platform for conversations across our identities.
PARK51.

For now, until they change it again. The Cordoba Initiative is still the Cordoba Initiative. ;) Are you Sharia Compliant?????
No matter how wrong CON$ervative hate mongers are, they still insist they are right and will fabricate anything to "prove" they are right.

Are you CON$ervoFascist Compliant?????

About CI | Cordoba

About CI

Why Cordoba Initiative?


The programs at Cordoba Initiative (CI) are designed to cultivate multi-cultural and multi-faith understanding across minds and borders. In the ten years since our founding, the necessity to strengthen the bridge between Islam and the West continues to prevail. Cordoba Initiative seeks to actively promote engagement through a myriad of programs, by reinforcing similarities and addressing differences.
 
"Park 51" is the name of the Muslim cultural center.

For now, until they change it again. The Cordoba Initiative is still the Cordoba Initiative. ;) Are you Sharia Compliant?????
No matter how wrong CON$ervative hate mongers are, they still insist they are right and will fabricate anything to "prove" they are right.

Are you CON$ervoFascist Compliant?????

About CI | Cordoba

About CI

Why Cordoba Initiative?


The programs at Cordoba Initiative (CI) are designed to cultivate multi-cultural and multi-faith understanding across minds and borders. In the ten years since our founding, the necessity to strengthen the bridge between Islam and the West continues to prevail. Cordoba Initiative seeks to actively promote engagement through a myriad of programs, by reinforcing similarities and addressing differences.
How Orwellian of you

the place was initially called "the Cordoba House" and it was changed to Park51 AFTER the controversy started
 
For now, until they change it again. The Cordoba Initiative is still the Cordoba Initiative. ;) Are you Sharia Compliant?????
No matter how wrong CON$ervative hate mongers are, they still insist they are right and will fabricate anything to "prove" they are right.

Are you CON$ervoFascist Compliant?????

About CI | Cordoba

About CI

Why Cordoba Initiative?


The programs at Cordoba Initiative (CI) are designed to cultivate multi-cultural and multi-faith understanding across minds and borders. In the ten years since our founding, the necessity to strengthen the bridge between Islam and the West continues to prevail. Cordoba Initiative seeks to actively promote engagement through a myriad of programs, by reinforcing similarities and addressing differences.
How Orwellian of you

the place was initially called "the Cordoba House" and it was changed to Park51 AFTER the controversy started

and before you start calling anyone a liar, you pathetic PoS, read this
Park51 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So now Wiki is a reliable reference!

Your link refers to the OPINIONS of right wing extremist whackos like Gingrich. The "Cordoba House" is still called the Cordoba House and is WITHIN Park 51.

“Park51 is the name of the planned Muslim community center being built in lower Manhattan. Park51 is also the name of the nonprofit entity that has already been established, which will fund and oversee this initiative. Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf will be the spiritual leader of the Cordoba House which will be the interfaith and religious component of the center and will reside within Park51
PARK51.

And from your own link:

There has been some ambiguity in what the project is formally called. Originally Cordoba House, the name changed to Park51, referencing the street address on Park Place.[26] Later, the Imam leading the project again referred to Cordoba House.[27] The Park51 website clarified that Park51 is the community center, while Cordoba House is the "interfaith and religious component of the center".[28]
Cordoba Initiative said the name "Cordoba House" is meant to invoke 8th–11th century Córdoba, Spain, which they call a model of peaceful coexistence between Muslims, Christians, and Jews.[29][29][10] Some took issue with the name Cordoba; for example, Newt Gingrich said that it was a "a deliberately insulting term" on the grounds that Córdoba was the capital of the Caliphate of Córdoba during the period of Muslim rule in Spain, following the Umayyad defeat of the Visigoths in the 8th century.[30][31][32] Similarly, Raymond Ibrahim, formerly associate director of the Middle East Forum, criticized the initiative as symbolic not of "a gesture of peace and interfaith dialogue" but "allusive of Islamic conquest and consolidation".[33] According to The Economist, the name was chosen because Muslims, Jews and Christians created a center of learning in Córdoba together.[10] The structure itself is named "Park51", after the location's address at 51 Park Place,[34][35] while the Cordoba Initiative's part of it is called Cordoba House.[36][37]

Dang, you are one ignorant PoS. :lol:
 
No matter how wrong CON$ervative hate mongers are, they still insist they are right and will fabricate anything to "prove" they are right.

Are you CON$ervoFascist Compliant?????
How Orwellian of you

the place was initially called "the Cordoba House" and it was changed to Park51 AFTER the controversy started


So now Wiki is a reliable reference!

Your link refers to the OPINIONS of right wing extremist whackos like Gingrich. The "Cordoba House" is still called the Cordoba House and is WITHIN Park 51.

“Park51 is the name of the planned Muslim community center being built in lower Manhattan. Park51 is also the name of the nonprofit entity that has already been established, which will fund and oversee this initiative. Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf will be the spiritual leader of the Cordoba House which will be the interfaith and religious component of the center and will reside within Park51
PARK51.

And from your own link:

There has been some ambiguity in what the project is formally called. Originally Cordoba House, the name changed to Park51, referencing the street address on Park Place.[26] Later, the Imam leading the project again referred to Cordoba House.[27] The Park51 website clarified that Park51 is the community center, while Cordoba House is the "interfaith and religious component of the center".[28]
Cordoba Initiative said the name "Cordoba House" is meant to invoke 8th–11th century Córdoba, Spain, which they call a model of peaceful coexistence between Muslims, Christians, and Jews.[29][29][10] Some took issue with the name Cordoba; for example, Newt Gingrich said that it was a "a deliberately insulting term" on the grounds that Córdoba was the capital of the Caliphate of Córdoba during the period of Muslim rule in Spain, following the Umayyad defeat of the Visigoths in the 8th century.[30][31][32] Similarly, Raymond Ibrahim, formerly associate director of the Middle East Forum, criticized the initiative as symbolic not of "a gesture of peace and interfaith dialogue" but "allusive of Islamic conquest and consolidation".[33] According to The Economist, the name was chosen because Muslims, Jews and Christians created a center of learning in Córdoba together.[10] The structure itself is named "Park51", after the location's address at 51 Park Place,[34][35] while the Cordoba Initiative's part of it is called Cordoba House.[36][37]

Dang, you are one ignorant PoS. :lol:
i didnt read past the top, dipshit as it proves what i said
you are an ignorant asswipe PoS
 
How Orwellian of you

the place was initially called "the Cordoba House" and it was changed to Park51 AFTER the controversy started


So now Wiki is a reliable reference!

Your link refers to the OPINIONS of right wing extremist whackos like Gingrich. The "Cordoba House" is still called the Cordoba House and is WITHIN Park 51.



And from your own link:

There has been some ambiguity in what the project is formally called. Originally Cordoba House, the name changed to Park51, referencing the street address on Park Place.[26] Later, the Imam leading the project again referred to Cordoba House.[27] The Park51 website clarified that Park51 is the community center, while Cordoba House is the "interfaith and religious component of the center".[28]
Cordoba Initiative said the name "Cordoba House" is meant to invoke 8th–11th century Córdoba, Spain, which they call a model of peaceful coexistence between Muslims, Christians, and Jews.[29][29][10] Some took issue with the name Cordoba; for example, Newt Gingrich said that it was a "a deliberately insulting term" on the grounds that Córdoba was the capital of the Caliphate of Córdoba during the period of Muslim rule in Spain, following the Umayyad defeat of the Visigoths in the 8th century.[30][31][32] Similarly, Raymond Ibrahim, formerly associate director of the Middle East Forum, criticized the initiative as symbolic not of "a gesture of peace and interfaith dialogue" but "allusive of Islamic conquest and consolidation".[33] According to The Economist, the name was chosen because Muslims, Jews and Christians created a center of learning in Córdoba together.[10] The structure itself is named "Park51", after the location's address at 51 Park Place,[34][35] while the Cordoba Initiative's part of it is called Cordoba House.[36][37]

Dang, you are one ignorant PoS. :lol:
i didnt read past the top, dipshit as it proves what i said
you are an ignorant asswipe PoS
I love CON$ervoFascist "logic."
I'M ignorant because YOU didn't bother to read your own source! :cuckoo:
BRILLIANT! :rofl:

Dang, you make morons look like geniuses!

I still OWN you! :rofl:
 
So now Wiki is a reliable reference!

Your link refers to the OPINIONS of right wing extremist whackos like Gingrich. The "Cordoba House" is still called the Cordoba House and is WITHIN Park 51.



And from your own link:



Dang, you are one ignorant PoS. :lol:
i didnt read past the top, dipshit as it proves what i said
you are an ignorant asswipe PoS
I love CON$ervoFascist "logic."
I'M ignorant because YOU didn't bother to read your own source! :cuckoo:
BRILLIANT! :rofl:

Dang, you make morons look like geniuses!

I still OWN you! :rofl:
what did i claim????
eh dipshit?
i said it was originally called what?????
that has enough proof to prove what i said
fucking moron
you give me free rent in that empty place between your ears
 
Why does it always seem that it's up to everyone else to bend to the muslims demands, and never the muslims bending to the demands of others? Every stinking time something happens that muslims don't like, THEY THREATEN VIOLENCE. When is enough of this bull shit enough?!
 

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