Parents rush son to Ontario for emergency care after 15-hour wait at Montreal hospital

[vegas giants]

I have medical bills in excess of $10,000 dollars and I'm not out of the woods yet. I'll be paying that shit for years to come. The expense of a catastrophic illness here can wipe out your savings and livelihood so fast it's a national shame. If you've nerver heard this complaint before it's only because you haven't been listening.

Your bill in Canada would be zero dollars

 

[1srelluc]

Plus, like teachers and first responders, there is a shortage of nurses and doctors.

There wasn't to any great extent till they opened-up (expanded with the ACA) Medicaid and they never really caught up.

 

[Hang on Sloopy]

English, please.

TRUTH OF POST!!!!!..lol

 

[Donald H]

Your bill in Canada would be zero dollars

Not quite true. The bill is being paid by the country as a whole. That's what a country is for.

And so now we need to get into debating the fallacy of OPM being stolen by socialists, from capitalists.

On a very positive note, the responses to this topic shows that many Americans are already halfway there on health care!

Now the horror of the 'socialism' beast is staring them right in the face and asking for answers.

 

[shockedcanadian]

I have medical bills in excess of $10,000 dollars and I'm not out of the woods yet. I'll be paying that shit for years to come. The expense of a catastrophic illness here can wipe out your savings and livelihood so fast it's a national shame. If you've nerver heard this complaint before it's only because you haven't been listening.

I have heard the complaint of out of pocket costs, but never delivery time or quaity of care. I feel for you and I thought medicare took care of most issues, but, consider this, I pay almost $400 a month in property taxes alone for a small home. I saw a $2.5M home in the U.S which paid only $200+ per month! Car.insurance is insane (when I drove), we have the highest cost of telecom in the world, we MUST pay for certain costs by law. We are one of the most expensive places in the world and even Phds make less than half of what police make. That $10k you pay, if considering how much you could save (and grow) over.ones lifetime, I bet it is a fraction of the costs. In fact, I know it is.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Very common.

Every major city

Example?

 

[vegas giants]

Example?

Already posted

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Already posted

Enlighten me

 

[vegas giants]

Enlighten me

Already did

 

[Donald H]

I have heard the complain of out of pocket costs, but never delivery time or quaity of care. I feel for you and I thought medicare took care of most issues, but, consider this, I pay almost $400 a month in property taxes alone for a small home. I saw a $2.5M home in the U.S which paid only $200+ per month! Car.insurance is insane (when I drove), we have the highest cost of telecom in the world, we MUST pay for certain costs by law. We are one of the most expensive places in the world and even Phds make less than half of what police make. That $10k you pay, if considering how much you could save (and grow) over.ones lifetime, I bet it is a fraction of the costs. In fact, I know it is.

You're inventing lies out of desperation now. Overall Canadians pay roughly the same amount of taxes as do Americans, but in Canada the tax burden is more equitably shared.

 

[Donald H]

Enlighten me

There's a lot to talk about that can be enlightenment.

Will you do your part and keep the discussion clean and on topic?

Attitudes toward America's health care has experienced a seachange and quite surprisingly the political right is just as active in the effort as the political left.

I'll even volunteer to leave the topic, for the common good.

 

[occupied]

I have heard the complain of out of pocket costs, but never delivery time or quaity of care. I feel for you and I thought medicare took care of most issues, but, consider this, I pay almost $400 a month in property taxes alone for a small home. I saw a $2.5M home in the U.S which paid only $200+ per month! Car.insurance is insane (when I drove), we have the highest cost of telecom in the world, we MUST pay for certain costs by law. We are one of the most expensive places in the world and even Phds make less than half of what police make. That $10k you pay, if considering how much you could save (and grow) over.ones lifetime, I bet it is a fraction of the costs. In fact, I know it is.

We pay more than anyone for our healthcare. I had to wait on a flat emergency room exam table for three days because the hospital was full and out of beds. People here still have to wait. It took them weeks to get me a slot at the chemo clinic.

 

[shockedcanadian]

You're inventing lies out of desperation now. Overall Canadians pay roughly the same amount of taxes as do Americans, but in Canada the tax burden is more equitably shared.

You are kidding us now. I won't forget the American who went to Burger King and ordered food and then politely asked the guy behind the cash where the additional large amount came from. The cashier had to tell him "plus taxes". The guys response was a calm, matter-of-fact, "oh, that's different" because it was far more than he expected. I had a little smile and wanted to say "imagine how we feel? You're only visiting". Remember, that was on a food order.

 

[hjmick]

Police States aren't good at healthcare or civil liberties. You sure you want to be like us?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/christos-lianos-emergency-room-montreal-wait-1.6900615

Christos Lianos is recovering from complications related to a burst appendix. Though he is a student in Montreal, he received care in Kingston, Ont.

That's because his parents rushed him to his hometown after waiting 15 hours in the Royal Victoria Hospital's emergency room.

Lianos, 20, said he doesn't like thinking about what might have happened to him if he had stayed in Montreal, waiting for care that didn't seem to be coming.

"If I had gone home or stayed for, who knows how long in that waiting room, what could have happened to me?" he asked. "Would I be here today?"

It was mid-June when Lianos started experiencing significant abdominal pain and a high fever. He had been feeling off for a few days, but had taken a turn for the worse the night of June 14. So, he called his parents.

"Automatically, me and my husband, we thought: 'My God, that sounds like his appendix,'" said Niki Lianos, Christos's mother.

Driving 3 hours for care​

Niki Lianos told her son to go to the hospital immediately. And then she and her husband drove three hours from Kingston to be with him.

In the 15 hours he was at the hospital, which is part of the McGill University Health Centre (MUHC), nurses checked on him twice to assess his symptoms and gave him Tylenol every six hours for the pain, the family said.

Lianos said she lost her patience and yelled at the nurse, saying had she known they'd be waiting for so long, they would have gone back to Kingston for treatment.

I'm surprised they didn't them MAID equipment...

 

[ABikerSailor]

Well, I guess I should consider myself lucky.................

When I was active duty in the military, I never had to wait very long to get treatment. I think the longest I ever spent at sickcall was around 45 min. and that was at a busy clinic in Norfolk.

Whenever I've had to go to the VA (I'm retired Navy and that is where I go for my healthcare), I've always managed to get appointments within 30 days of calling for them, and I've never had to wait more than 30 min. to see the doctor for the appointments I've scheduled.

Just last Feb, I was cutting trees with my father in law and while cutting a branch 12 ft. off the ground, the chainsaw bucked back and knocked me off the ladder I was using. Fell 12 ft, landed on my back and had the wind knocked out of me. The chainsaw also managed to nick my skull and forehead. Went to the emergency room at Newberry Hospital and was seen within 30 min of arrival at the emergency room. End result was 1 cracked vertebrae, 3 cracked ribs, 10 staples on the top of my skull (was cut all the way to the bone) and 12 stitches on my forehead. Had to get an MRI for imaging.

When the bill came, I contacted the VA, and they told me that they would take care of the bill since it was an emergency and I couldn't have reached a VA hospital in time. Got an invoice a couple of weeks later telling me what the VA paid for, and it came out to roughly 12,600 dollars for the 3 hours I was there. I fully agree, health care is VERY expensive here in the US and I hope that one day they can figure out how to reduce the cost of staying alive. Thank goodness that part of my retirement benefits is my health care, because that visit to the emergency room would have been difficult to pay off on my retirement check. Probably would have taken me a few years to do.

And yeah, I hear the horror stories of thing that happen with the health care system, but most veterans I've spoken with while at the VA are fairly satisfied with the care that the military and government provides them. While there are cases where things go horribly wrong, they seem to be the exception rather than the rule.

Or.................maybe my experiences have been the exception. I don't know.

 

[Donald H]

Well, I guess I should consider myself lucky.................

When I was active duty in the military, I never had to wait very long to get treatment. I think the longest I ever spent at sickcall was around 45 min. and that was at a busy clinic in Norfolk.

Whenever I've had to go to the VA (I'm retired Navy and that is where I go for my healthcare), I've always managed to get appointments within 30 days of calling for them, and I've never had to wait more than 30 min. to see the doctor for the appointments I've scheduled.

Just last Feb, I was cutting trees with my father in law and while cutting a branch 12 ft. off the ground, the chainsaw bucked back and knocked me off the ladder I was using. Fell 12 ft, landed on my back and had the wind knocked out of me. The chainsaw also managed to nick my skull and forehead. Went to the emergency room at Newberry Hospital and was seen within 30 min of arrival at the emergency room. End result was 1 cracked vertebrae, 3 cracked ribs, 10 staples on the top of my skull (was cut all the way to the bone) and 12 stitches on my forehead. Had to get an MRI for imaging.

When the bill came, I contacted the VA, and they told me that they would take care of the bill since it was an emergency and I couldn't have reached a VA hospital in time. Got an invoice a couple of weeks later telling me what the VA paid for, and it came out to roughly 12,600 dollars for the 3 hours I was there. I fully agree, health care is VERY expensive here in the US and I hope that one day they can figure out how to reduce the cost of staying alive. Thank goodness that part of my retirement benefits is my health care, because that visit to the emergency room would have been difficult to pay off on my retirement check. Probably would have taken me a few years to do.

And yeah, I hear the horror stories of thing that happen with the health care system, but most veterans I've spoken with while at the VA are fairly satisfied with the care that the military and government provides them. While there are cases where things go horribly wrong, they seem to be the exception rather than the rule.

Or.................maybe my experiences have been the exception. I don't know.

No exception. Socialized health care works very well for the military of both Canada and America.

 

[2aguy]

Police States aren't good at healthcare or civil liberties. You sure you want to be like us?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/christos-lianos-emergency-room-montreal-wait-1.6900615

Christos Lianos is recovering from complications related to a burst appendix. Though he is a student in Montreal, he received care in Kingston, Ont.

That's because his parents rushed him to his hometown after waiting 15 hours in the Royal Victoria Hospital's emergency room.

Lianos, 20, said he doesn't like thinking about what might have happened to him if he had stayed in Montreal, waiting for care that didn't seem to be coming.

"If I had gone home or stayed for, who knows how long in that waiting room, what could have happened to me?" he asked. "Would I be here today?"

It was mid-June when Lianos started experiencing significant abdominal pain and a high fever. He had been feeling off for a few days, but had taken a turn for the worse the night of June 14. So, he called his parents.

"Automatically, me and my husband, we thought: 'My God, that sounds like his appendix,'" said Niki Lianos, Christos's mother.

Driving 3 hours for care​

Niki Lianos told her son to go to the hospital immediately. And then she and her husband drove three hours from Kingston to be with him.

In the 15 hours he was at the hospital, which is part of the McGill University Health Centre (MUHC), nurses checked on him twice to assess his symptoms and gave him Tylenol every six hours for the pain, the family said.

Lianos said she lost her patience and yelled at the nurse, saying had she known they'd be waiting for so long, they would have gone back to Kingston for treatment.

But.......but..........Government healthcare is wonderful....says all the people who are young enough to have never needed to actually use it......and are shocked....shocked, when they are older and are told they have to wait months to see their first level of Doctor, the general practitioner, because they have a lump growing on their body.....and then, when he says.....could be cancer, they have to wait months more to get an appointment with a specialist.......and months more to get the tests they need to show if it actually is cancer or not.....

But when they were 20 and never needed to see a doctor, government healthcare was great....

 

[2aguy]

No exception. Socialized health care works very well for the military of both Canada and America.

Yes...tiny, dedicated populations with specific medical facilities dedicated to taking care of them.......

As socialized medical systems around the world run out of money, doctors and nurses.....they continue to refuse to see the truth...

 

[vegas giants]

Yes...tiny, dedicated populations with specific medical facilities dedicated to taking care of them.......

As socialized medical systems around the world run out of money, doctors and nurses.....they continue to refuse to see the truth...

They never run out of money

 

[shockedcanadian]

They never run out of money

No, they just shut down ER units and allow people to die on their hospital floor after 10 hour waits. That's not hyperbole, I posted this.

imagine buying a $300 item at the store and paying $339 at the cash in Ontario? It used to be $345. Where does the money go? Ontario has half of the entire countries debt, far more per capita than even California and we are a fraction of its global economic might.

Unaccountable Police States. I am a victim I know of what I speak.