Palestine Today

[P F Tinmore]

A Palestinian boy smiles and flashes the V sign (for victory) while being detained in an Israeli military jeep during the First Intifada, 1987.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The daily life in Gaza during the winter.
by Abed Zagout

 

[P F Tinmore]

"Said is an Arabic name that means “Happy” in English. This 10-year-old child called Said sells mint in Gaza streets, especially in Al-Remal area, central Gaza City.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Let's get one thing straight right now (in regards to the West Bank, Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip • WB-J-GS). The Israel Defense Force (IDF) did not move forward and place any Arab Palestinian territory under its occupation. Over time, the ground-truth conditions evolved until it became politically acceptable to express the evolving situation in that way.

◈ The IDF established very necesssary and effective control over the certain territory • which were in 1948 • territories once held under mandate and transitioning into the International Trustee System (ITS). This assumption of control was made necessary to defend against the Forces of the Arab League taking control of the entirety of the Territory Formerly Under the Mandate for Palestine and which included those lands in which the Israelis declared independence; and assume Article 1 Authority (Montevideo Convention 1933) with regards to their independence. In 1948, the Arab Palestinians did not have any political authority over any of the Territory Formerly Under the Mandate for Palestine.

◈ In the period immediately proceeding the 1948 Conflict, the Arab Higher Committee rejected the territory alloted and adopted by the UN. So, the Arab Palestinians never establish any actual functioning government and political authority over any territory.

◈ So! At that point, as recorded in the various Armistice Agreements of 1949, the Arab Palestinians of that period were under the political authority of either Israel, Jordan, or Egypt. But NO faction of the Arab Palestinians were a party to the Armistice.

◈ In 1967, with regards to the WB-J-GS, Israeli engagement with Arab League Forces lead to a complex territorial control. For the WB-J, Israel had effective control, but the territory was under the political soveriengty of Jordan. For the GS, Israel had effective control, but the territory was still considered a political protectorate of Egypt. So! Under Article 42 of the Hague Regulation, once the actually territory was placed under the authority of the IDF, it became either Egyptian territory occupied by the IDF - or - Jordanian territory occupied by the IDF.

In 1974, the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) became the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated. From that point the PLO Palestinian territory that is liberated.

◈ This situation remained stable until 1979 and the Israelis and the Egyptian concluded a Peace Treaty and the Egyptians relinquished any authority pertaining to the GS.

◈ In 1988, Jordan exercies what it termed as "cutting all ties" with the WB-J. This amounted to a political abandonment of the WB-J. By default, the country maintaining effective control over the WB-J (israel) became the political authority.

◈ That same year (1988) the PLO, sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people, but over what territory was confusing.

◈ In 1993 and 1995, the Oslo Accords were signed between the PLO and the State of Israel. This ultimately lead to the unilateral withdraw by the Israelis from the GS in 2005. At that point, the GS, by the agreed upon conditions, became the Political Authority over the Gaza Strip.​

◈ The All Palestine Government never had independent control over any of the territories it claims.

Are you saying that an occupation voids peoples rights?

(COMMENT)

ANSWER: Occupation is a term defined by the Hague Regulation. It is actually a place under the authority of the IDF and makes the IDF take all the measures in his power to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety.

Other than the Gaza Strip, which in only the very loose sense, is the only Palestinian territory that is liberated.

By Agreement, the PLO/PA became responsible for complete civil and security control by the within Area "A."


Most Respectfully,
R

◈ So! At that point, as recorded in the various Armistice Agreements of 1949, the Arab Palestinians of that period were under the political authority of either Israel, Jordan, or Egypt. But NO faction of the Arab Palestinians were a party to the Armistice.

The Palestinians declared independence before the armistice agreements The Palestinians were not a part of the 1948 war.

Their little-known declaration of independence in 1948 came just a little too late to be taken seriously. And Egypt was in charge of that. The 1988 declaration was more internationally recognized. It would be smarter for you to hold onto that, from a legal standpoint.

Their little-known declaration of independence in 1948 came just a little too late to be taken seriously. And Egypt was in charge of that.

It was reported to the UN.

What do you mean too late?

I thought you believed the U.N. has no legitimacy, since Israel is a member state of the U.N. and you refuse to acknowledge that fact.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Nowadays, almost 1300 Christians, forming 390 families, are living here and considering themselves a minority that is deprived of its main rights like visiting its places of worship in the West Bank or outside of Palestine. Hence, they tend to immigrate to places where they don't have to face the Israeli restrictions imposed on the Strip.

Photo by: Mohammed Zaanoun

 

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[ForeverYoung436]

Nowadays, almost 1300 Christians, forming 390 families, are living here and considering themselves a minority that is deprived of its main rights like visiting its places of worship in the West Bank or outside of Palestine. Hence, they tend to immigrate to places where they don't have to face the Israeli restrictions imposed on the Strip.

Photo by: Mohammed Zaanoun

If you're speaking of the Christians in Gaza, they're lucky to even be alive, living under Hamas, an extremist Islamic organization. Christians have been killed throughout the Middle East. But Hamas keeps them around for PR purposes.

 

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Mariam Dagga, a female photographer from #Gaza, succeeds to capture how children are happy to receive such huge amounts of rain, especially as the school vacation has just started.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

OK, put your thinking cap on.

However, that declaration was not valid as it came after the Israeli Declaration (May 1948).

How so?

(COMMENT)

Simple, One claimed the territory already in the hands of the other. Israels claimed (in May) came before the Palestinian claim. Israel has the right to expect Palestinian "not to interfere."

Here again, are you saying that occupation voids the Palestinian's rights?

(COMMENT)

The two rights cannot coexist, since they each have the right to act (take the territory) without interference from the other.

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Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

OK, put your thinking cap on.

However, that declaration was not valid as it came after the Israeli Declaration (May 1948).

How so?

(COMMENT)

Simple, One claimed the territory already in the hands of the other. Israels claimed (in May) came before the Palestinian claim. Israel has the right to expect Palestinian "not to interfere."

Here again, are you saying that occupation voids the Palestinian's rights?

(COMMENT)

The two rights cannot coexist, since they each have the right to act (take the territory) without interference from the other.

​

Most Respectfully,
R

Are you saying that Palestinian territory was up for grabs. The ones with the guns get the territory?

How does this jive with the prohibition of acquiring territory by force?

 

[USAF 2023]

Nowadays, almost 1300 Christians, forming 390 families, are living here and considering themselves a minority that is deprived of its main rights like visiting its places of worship in the West Bank or outside of Palestine. Hence, they tend to immigrate to places where they don't have to face the Israeli restrictions imposed on the Strip.

Photo by: Mohammed Zaanoun

Do you have ANY idea of how STUPID you sound????
You talk about them being a minority and being DEPRIVED of their “ Main Rights” not being able to Visit their Houses of Worship yet the Israelis are supposed to accept being deprived of their Sacred Religions Sites?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Nowadays, almost 1300 Christians, forming 390 families, are living here and considering themselves a minority that is deprived of its main rights like visiting its places of worship in the West Bank or outside of Palestine. Hence, they tend to immigrate to places where they don't have to face the Israeli restrictions imposed on the Strip.

Photo by: Mohammed Zaanoun

Do you have ANY idea of how STUPID you sound????
You talk about them being a minority and being DEPRIVED of their “ Main Rights” not being able to Visit their Houses of Worship yet the Israelis are supposed to accept being deprived of their Sacred Religions Sites?

Is deflection all you got?

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[USAF 2023]

Nowadays, almost 1300 Christians, forming 390 families, are living here and considering themselves a minority that is deprived of its main rights like visiting its places of worship in the West Bank or outside of Palestine. Hence, they tend to immigrate to places where they don't have to face the Israeli restrictions imposed on the Strip.

Photo by: Mohammed Zaanoun

Do you have ANY idea of how STUPID you sound????
You talk about them being a minority and being DEPRIVED of their “ Main Rights” not being able to Visit their Houses of Worship yet the Israelis are supposed to accept being deprived of their Sacred Religions Sites?

Is deflection all you got?

Is being a bigot and a Hypocrite all you have? The answer is

 

[P F Tinmore]

Christmas in Palestine
Citizens welcome Archbishop "Pierre Batista Pizzaballa", Patriarchal Vicar of the Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem / Bethlehem