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Then we are, here, done, as what you believe flies in the face of established scientific fact. To take the Bible literally means that you believe the Earth to be no more than 6000 years old, you reject the evidence of evolution, and you believe every story in the Bible happened exactly as it was written, including the flood, and all of the other stories that are physically impossible.Tell me something, Jeremiah. After reading your posts, are you a Biblical literalist?
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Yes, I am although I must tell you that I find it strange that people (quite a few) are using this term as if a Believer taking the Bible literally were an abberation. A believer is someone who believes. I believe what I read in the Word of God. If I didn't there would be no point at all to prayer. How can one be a believer in God and not take His Word literally? Is there any other way to take it but literally? How would you feel if I told others not to take you literally? I find the question must be an offense to God because He says what he means and means what he says. I have always taken God's Holy Bible literally. There is no other way to take it.
Yes, I do reject the theory of evolution entirely. I believe the Biblical account of creation. Not Darwin's. Did you know that it is said that Darwin repented at the end of his life for that satanic diabolical idea of evolution and received Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior?Then we are, here, done, as what you believe flies in the face of established scientific fact. To take the Bible literally means that you believe the Earth to be no more than 6000 years old, you reject the evidence of evolution, and you believe every story in the Bible happened exactly as it was written, including the flood, and all of the other stories that are physically impossible.Tell me something, Jeremiah. After reading your posts, are you a Biblical literalist?
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Yes, I am although I must tell you that I find it strange that people (quite a few) are using this term as if a Believer taking the Bible literally were an abberation. A believer is someone who believes. I believe what I read in the Word of God. If I didn't there would be no point at all to prayer. How can one be a believer in God and not take His Word literally? Is there any other way to take it but literally? How would you feel if I told others not to take you literally? I find the question must be an offense to God because He says what he means and means what he says. I have always taken God's Holy Bible literally. There is no other way to take it.
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Well, I can only speak fro my personal experience, 20 years as a wytch. Have I ever tried to harm anyone? Nope. Not that I haven't been tempted. I have just never been in a situation in which it was worth it. Have you, in all your studies, ever heard of the Witch's Rede? There are two lines that are important, in regards to this discussion:Dude...I am so not going down another rabbit hole with you. The point is that you seem to have this concept of witches, and witchcraft that belongs in a fantasy novel, not the real world. Allow me to clue you in. I am 50 years old. Do you know how many magickal battles I have been in during my life? Exactly. Zero. It just doesn't work that way in the real world.I would never have anything to do with Dungeons and Dragons role playing game as it is a doorway to demonic oppression / possession and there are young people who have died while involved in that deadly game. Through their involvement with Dungeons and Dragons people can become demonically controlled without realizing what is happening to them. Sadly some schools have even permitted these games to be played as a part of extracurricular clubs. Such games are a crash course in witchcraft.But I should be afraid? What happens if a what does who?!?! You've been playing too much D&D, my friend. What do you think witches are? Wolves that piss on the ground and stake out territory? It doesn't work that way. Not outside of a fantasy novel, anyway. LOLI'm not afraid because I am a child of God and according to Luke 10:19 God has given me authority over all the power of the enemy and nothing shall by any means harm me. But we do live in a world that is (as you say) filled with people who are selfish, stupid, shortsighted and entirely unpredictable. Now you say that you do not need some supernatural being to protect you from them. That you have the law and society for that. But I have a question for you. What happens if a witch that is more powerful than you are comes into your territory and tries to take over and drive you out through their own warfare against you and you are losing the battle? What do you then? Move to another city? What if it happens there? Whose going to protect you when your life is in danger?
Interesting that you should bring that particular game up. I have tried to warn people on this board about that game but they do not see the danger. For those who are not familiar with Dungeons and Dragons, it is a game portrayed as an adventure where many battles are fought with various monsters and beings, each having certain abilities and characteristics. There are manuals available with many pictures and details about these different characters.
The players are supposed to visualize the action of the game in their minds. The better they become at "seeing" and anticipating the moves of their opponent the more advanced they become in the game. These "monsters" are actually real demons. What they are visualizing in their minds is what they are actually beginning to see in the spirit world. The spirit world is real and there are people here on this board who will readily admit to that fact. The imagination is a key stepping stone to contact with the spirit world and as the player continues in this D & D game they become infested with demons. There are more advanced manuals that detail spells, incantations and demonic writing that is used and taught to the witches and warlocks of The Brotherhood itslef. (that is an organization known to some Witches but likely not known to those who do not know about the occult). Higher level players of D & D have admitted to conversing with these beings (demons) and even inviting these demons into them for greater powers.
So if the reader can imagine that D & D would be like the crash course in witchcraft, the battles that take place over territory, disputes among witches, warlocks is very real and in some cases ends with the death of the one with the weaker powers. Satan's kingdom is highly organized. There are territories and there are people in certain positions of authority in those territories and there are on occasion battles for those territories and the power over those territories.
For an example, there is a testimony of a Doctor who worked at a hospital in the intensive care unit. She was a Christian and the Lord had permitted her to stand in the gap (she prayed daily) for the hospital and the city according to Ezekiel 22:30-31 as the city and hospital had a number of powerful witches in it.
This Doctor had encountered patients who were dying because they were under attack by a very powerful group of witches. In fact, there were high level witches working in that hospital and in the department she worked in. Their prayers against the doctor didn't work (because she was a Christian) but against those who were targeted and also against those involved in the occult who became sick and ended up in that hospital, things were taking a turn for the worse.
One by one the Doctor interceded for them and God did a great work but in one particular case a man (who was a witch although he denied this) was in great danger and was quickly fading. He had been in a battle with a more powerful witch over a territory. She had come across many patients afflicted by witchcraft attacks before so she knew what she was seeing.
She did tell the man but at first what God had revealed to her about him but he denied it and said she was crazy (this is a common reaction from people in witchcraft- to accuse someone who knows what is going on of being crazy - because the occult is a hidden society and these people are very guarded about revealing what they are involved in - secrecy is a rule that is taken very seriously).
Later, when he was on the verge of dying and had become desperate he admitted to her it was true. She asked him if she could pray for him and while I am writing about this story from memory I do recall that when the doctor prayed for him he was completely healed and knew that it was the Lord Jesus Christ who had healed him!
It seems to me as I recall that this man who was healed decided not accept Jesus Christ as his savior even after God saving his life but chose to move to another city as he could not stay in the same city with the more powerful witch who had almost killed him. It is sad to say that not everyone who sees the power of God and even knows God saved their life, is willing to give up witchcraft. What they do not realize is that ultimately it will lead to their eternal destruction.
Thank you for reading. I hope to return later (God willing) and continue the discussion.
I'm not asking you to go down any rabbit hole, Cern. I merely responded to your reply because what you said was not accurate. In response to your claim that I have a concept about witches and witchcraft that belong in a fantasy novel, I have to tell you that this isn't my concept. What I've given you is the testimonies of people who have prayed for people in witchcraft who have come under attack through spells, hexes, psychic attacks, etc. You say that you have never been in a magickal battle with anyone.
Have you ever been under a psychic attack from another witch? Have you ever been the recipient of someone trying to harm you through witchcraft? Have you ever tried to harm anyone by using a spell to retaliate in response to something that someone did to you? You need not answer those questions I am merely clarifying what I meant in my recounting the testimony of a doctor who ministered to people in a hospital where she witnessed and encountered patients who had come under such an attack.
In fact, there is a former high level Witch named Bill Schnoebelen who wrote an entire book about Wicca. It's called Wicca, Satan's little lie and is available online. Bill states that in his experience as a witch this was a constant problem. He didn't call them magickal battles. He called them psychic attacks / pyschic wars. In his book Bill writes about his coven and the trouble of Witches covens in psychic wars that plagued his city:
But we were never really at peace. We did all the right things and tried to help our people grow, but they never seemed fulfilled either. They acted happy, but their eyes were dark and hollow. They said they were fulfilled but their lives denied it. We were the ONLY married couple in Wicca that didn't get divorced!
Sadly, a majority of the people we tried to help got worse! Many of them became either so filled with their own egos that they could not relate to anyone else or they sank into the mire of drugs or liquor. To or three went quite insane!
in Milwaukee, we had psychic wars between groups. Witches were shooting at each other in the streets because of adultery. Curses were filling the air like mosquitos on a hot Wisconsin night!
Pagans like to make fun of Catholics because of all the wars they started, but the only difference between the Pagans and the Catholics is that the Pagans never ran a government and had the power to raise armies.
I used to read THE GREEN EGG, Tim Zell's Neo-Pagan magazine. Almost every issue contained a vicious feud in the letter columns.
Why? Because you are dealing with sinful, fallen human beings,that's why! God says the human heart is desperately wicked and deceitful above all things (Jeremiah 17:9).
You may not call yourself a Satanist, but if you have not made Jesus Christ your Lord and Master,then Satan is your lord and master. We learned this the hard way! - Bill Schoenbelen Wicca Satan's little White Lie
So there you have it. One man who was the head of a coven in Wisconsin and a very powerful witch who gave his life to Jesus Christ and says that these feuds between witches /covens was a major problem.
"Mind the Three-fold Laws you should three times bad and three times good.", and "These Eight words the Rede fulfill: 'An Ye Harm None, Do What Ye Will'"
Now, a lot of your bubblegum, fluffy-bununy witches will insisthat this is a warning to never hurt anyone. However, that is simply not the case. The finally line is pretty self-explanatory - if you are not hurting anyone, you do you. It's all good. Okay. However, remember when I said that humans are notoriously short-sighted? Well, that is pretty much true of all of us.n So, here is the question: How do you know? How do you know if an action you take, whether magickal, or mundane (and, no, the Rede is not restricted to only magickal actions; it is a guide for every decision that a wytch ever makes), is going to hurt someone one? The simple answer is, you can't. Oh! You can be certain about the immediate effects of any choice, but what about the longer effects, what about the effect it has on peripheral individuals that you didn't think of, or possibly know about? So, does this mean that a wytch can never do anything?
This is where the second line comes into play - the 'three-fold law". The three-fold law is pretty straight forward. Anything you do, whether for good, or for ill, will come back to you three times over. The Hindus called it Kharma. Even the Jews have a version of it, although they expand it to 7-fold. But, it's a pretty universal concept. So, now the question becomes, if what I want to do worth the consequences? If it is, go for it. Just be aware that you made a choice, and what comes next is entirely on you. If it isn't, then don't.
This brings us back to your question have I ever harmed anyone. I have, in 30 years, only intentionally harmed one person, and that was indirectly. And I paid the price for it. Willingly. Now, have I unintentionally harmed anyone? Possibly. Like I said, my ability to follow my actions to the results of every single person that those actions will ever have an effect on is limited. See, contrary to what you may believe, witchcraft isn't about power. It is about balance, and personal responsibility.
Yes. That is said. By militant creationists, and it is a lie.Yes, I do reject the theory of evolution entirely. I believe the Biblical account of creation. Not Darwin's. Did you know that it is said that Darwin repented at the end of his life for that satanic diabolical idea of evolution and received Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior?Then we are, here, done, as what you believe flies in the face of established scientific fact. To take the Bible literally means that you believe the Earth to be no more than 6000 years old, you reject the evidence of evolution, and you believe every story in the Bible happened exactly as it was written, including the flood, and all of the other stories that are physically impossible.Tell me something, Jeremiah. After reading your posts, are you a Biblical literalist?
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Yes, I am although I must tell you that I find it strange that people (quite a few) are using this term as if a Believer taking the Bible literally were an abberation. A believer is someone who believes. I believe what I read in the Word of God. If I didn't there would be no point at all to prayer. How can one be a believer in God and not take His Word literally? Is there any other way to take it but literally? How would you feel if I told others not to take you literally? I find the question must be an offense to God because He says what he means and means what he says. I have always taken God's Holy Bible literally. There is no other way to take it.
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That's not even a little bit how evolution works.Clearly Satan put the idea in his mind but he accepted it and taught it to others. Considering how Satan hates God it comes as no surprise to me that he would want to convince God's prize creation - "us" - into believing that we were created in the image of an "ape" therein implying God is an ape and furthermore giving us no more rights than any 4 legged beast of the field and of course we see today the results....... the sucker fish have more rights than we do to water and what next?
That is just arrogance. It is that same arrogance that allows us to abuse animals in the name of more efficient food production, and gives us the arrogance to believe that we can treat his planet any way we see fit, and there will be no consequences.Shall we allow them to kill us off so that the planet can survive without us? Do you not see the diabolical plan Satan had in introducing that lie, Cern? We are God's highest creation, created in the image of God and with one lie - planted in the mind of Darwin by Satan - the world swallows it hook, line and sinker therein stealing away God's original plan for us to have dominion over the earth and every creeping thing as he said in Genesis.
Nope. What is amazing is how anyone, in the 21st century, can be so stupid as to deny science.Amazing isn't it? How utterly stupid scientists can be? That's why I'm not interested in their peer reviews or their opinions on the earth. They cannot even figure out how old the earth is. It's already been proven their dating system is seriously flawed but that is another discussion.
God created Satan, but God is also all loving. God created the Universe, not Satan, so what's in the Universe is Divine, not Satanic.Yes, I do reject the theory of evolution entirely. I believe the Biblical account of creation. Not Darwin's. Did you know that it is said that Darwin repented at the end of his life for that satanic diabolical idea of evolution and received Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior?
Clearly Satan put the idea in his mind but he accepted it and taught it to others. Considering how Satan hates God it comes as no surprise to me that he would want to convince God's prize creation - "us" - into believing that we were created in the image of an "ape" therein implying God is an ape and furthermore giving us no more rights than any 4 legged beast of the field and of course we see today the results....... the sucker fish have more rights than we do to water and what next?
Shall we allow them to kill us off so that the planet can survive without us? Do you not see the diabolical plan Satan had in introducing that lie, Cern? We are God's highest creation, created in the image of God and with one lie - planted in the mind of Darwin by Satan - the world swallows it hook, line and sinker therein stealing away God's original plan for us to have dominion over the earth and every creeping thing as he said in Genesis.
Amazing isn't it? How utterly stupid scientists can be? That's why I'm not interested in their peer reviews or their opinions on the earth. They cannot even figure out how old the earth is. It's already been proven their dating system is seriously flawed but that is another discussion.
I agree with everything you've just said except the name of Satan when God created him was Lucifer and the second thing I would mention is ......what is in the Universe includes the earth and the earth is far from being in a divine state at the moment. When Jesus Christ comes back that will all change. Satan knows his time is short.God created Satan, but God is also all loving. God created the Universe, not Satan, so what's in the Universe is Divine, not Satanic.Yes, I do reject the theory of evolution entirely. I believe the Biblical account of creation. Not Darwin's. Did you know that it is said that Darwin repented at the end of his life for that satanic diabolical idea of evolution and received Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior?
Clearly Satan put the idea in his mind but he accepted it and taught it to others. Considering how Satan hates God it comes as no surprise to me that he would want to convince God's prize creation - "us" - into believing that we were created in the image of an "ape" therein implying God is an ape and furthermore giving us no more rights than any 4 legged beast of the field and of course we see today the results....... the sucker fish have more rights than we do to water and what next?
Shall we allow them to kill us off so that the planet can survive without us? Do you not see the diabolical plan Satan had in introducing that lie, Cern? We are God's highest creation, created in the image of God and with one lie - planted in the mind of Darwin by Satan - the world swallows it hook, line and sinker therein stealing away God's original plan for us to have dominion over the earth and every creeping thing as he said in Genesis.
Amazing isn't it? How utterly stupid scientists can be? That's why I'm not interested in their peer reviews or their opinions on the earth. They cannot even figure out how old the earth is. It's already been proven their dating system is seriously flawed but that is another discussion.
God is greater than science, Cern. So can I ask you my two part question? I'll wait until tomorrow so your mind is fresh and you can think about it. I have a two part question about your belief system concerning the Witch's Rede. Is that alright by you?Yes. That is said. By militant creationists, and it is a lie.Yes, I do reject the theory of evolution entirely. I believe the Biblical account of creation. Not Darwin's. Did you know that it is said that Darwin repented at the end of his life for that satanic diabolical idea of evolution and received Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior?Then we are, here, done, as what you believe flies in the face of established scientific fact. To take the Bible literally means that you believe the Earth to be no more than 6000 years old, you reject the evidence of evolution, and you believe every story in the Bible happened exactly as it was written, including the flood, and all of the other stories that are physically impossible.Tell me something, Jeremiah. After reading your posts, are you a Biblical literalist?
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Yes, I am although I must tell you that I find it strange that people (quite a few) are using this term as if a Believer taking the Bible literally were an abberation. A believer is someone who believes. I believe what I read in the Word of God. If I didn't there would be no point at all to prayer. How can one be a believer in God and not take His Word literally? Is there any other way to take it but literally? How would you feel if I told others not to take you literally? I find the question must be an offense to God because He says what he means and means what he says. I have always taken God's Holy Bible literally. There is no other way to take it.
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That's not even a little bit how evolution works.Clearly Satan put the idea in his mind but he accepted it and taught it to others. Considering how Satan hates God it comes as no surprise to me that he would want to convince God's prize creation - "us" - into believing that we were created in the image of an "ape" therein implying God is an ape and furthermore giving us no more rights than any 4 legged beast of the field and of course we see today the results....... the sucker fish have more rights than we do to water and what next?
That is just arrogance. It is that same arrogance that allows us to abuse animals in the name of more efficient food production, and gives us the arrogance to believe that we can treat his planet any way we see fit, and there will be no consequences.Shall we allow them to kill us off so that the planet can survive without us? Do you not see the diabolical plan Satan had in introducing that lie, Cern? We are God's highest creation, created in the image of God and with one lie - planted in the mind of Darwin by Satan - the world swallows it hook, line and sinker therein stealing away God's original plan for us to have dominion over the earth and every creeping thing as he said in Genesis.
Nope. What is amazing is how anyone, in the 21st century, can be so stupid as to deny science.Amazing isn't it? How utterly stupid scientists can be? That's why I'm not interested in their peer reviews or their opinions on the earth. They cannot even figure out how old the earth is. It's already been proven their dating system is seriously flawed but that is another discussion.
Thinking Error: assuming.Yes, my Master and Lord Jesus Christ went wherever there were sinners, idolaters, lost people too.. Is the servant greater than the Master? The great commission is to go ye into all the world and preach the Gospel, to go to the highways and byways and that would include the internet highway, Tyrone. You need to be saved. You are following a false prophet, an occultist Joseph Smith whose doctrine is a doctrine of devils. You need to get rid of your Joseph Smith Books, leave the cult you are in and come to Jesus Christ while you still have time to do it.You're using a pc/internet system that has all sorts of filthy behavior going on, on it. Yet you're using it.It's a pagan holiday and if you choose to celebrate it you should do it with the full understanding that it is not the celebration of a deceased saint named Valentine. The meaning of it has nothing to do with a deceased saint. It's an occult holiday. Christians shouldn't celebrate it.
Your problem is not with me, Tyrone. Yes, you hate me. This is true but you first hated Jesus Christ and the only reason you hate me and mock me is because I am a servant of Jesus Christ. I'm doing what I am supposed to be doing. The question is, why aren't you? Why aren't you redeeming the time? You will have to give an account before God for every idle word you've ever spoken, Tyrone. You are not your own god and you won't be receiving your own planet or whatever it is Joseph Smith told you you'd get. Joseph Smith was a false prophet who has led many poor souls to hell. Don't end up like them. Repent.
Agreed when Lucifer fell from grace, his name became Satan, but the fact remains God created him and, given God is all knowing, knew what Lucifer would become.I agree with everything you've just said except the name of Satan when God created him was Lucifer and the second thing I would mention is ......what is in the Universe includes the earth and the earth is far from being in a divine state at the moment. When Jesus Christ comes back that will all change. Satan knows his time is short.
Nope. That is just delusional. It was this very delusional thinking that caused me to, ultimately, then my back on organised religion. When someone can choose to simply ignore rational reality with, "Because my Bible tells me so, " then there is no room for reasonable discussion.God is greater than science, Cern. So can I ask you my two part question? I'll wait until tomorrow so your mind is fresh and you can think about it. I have a two part question about your belief system concerning the Witch's Rede. Is that alright by you?Yes. That is said. By militant creationists, and it is a lie.Yes, I do reject the theory of evolution entirely. I believe the Biblical account of creation. Not Darwin's. Did you know that it is said that Darwin repented at the end of his life for that satanic diabolical idea of evolution and received Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior?Then we are, here, done, as what you believe flies in the face of established scientific fact. To take the Bible literally means that you believe the Earth to be no more than 6000 years old, you reject the evidence of evolution, and you believe every story in the Bible happened exactly as it was written, including the flood, and all of the other stories that are physically impossible.Tell me something, Jeremiah. After reading your posts, are you a Biblical literalist?
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Yes, I am although I must tell you that I find it strange that people (quite a few) are using this term as if a Believer taking the Bible literally were an abberation. A believer is someone who believes. I believe what I read in the Word of God. If I didn't there would be no point at all to prayer. How can one be a believer in God and not take His Word literally? Is there any other way to take it but literally? How would you feel if I told others not to take you literally? I find the question must be an offense to God because He says what he means and means what he says. I have always taken God's Holy Bible literally. There is no other way to take it.
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That's not even a little bit how evolution works.Clearly Satan put the idea in his mind but he accepted it and taught it to others. Considering how Satan hates God it comes as no surprise to me that he would want to convince God's prize creation - "us" - into believing that we were created in the image of an "ape" therein implying God is an ape and furthermore giving us no more rights than any 4 legged beast of the field and of course we see today the results....... the sucker fish have more rights than we do to water and what next?
That is just arrogance. It is that same arrogance that allows us to abuse animals in the name of more efficient food production, and gives us the arrogance to believe that we can treat his planet any way we see fit, and there will be no consequences.Shall we allow them to kill us off so that the planet can survive without us? Do you not see the diabolical plan Satan had in introducing that lie, Cern? We are God's highest creation, created in the image of God and with one lie - planted in the mind of Darwin by Satan - the world swallows it hook, line and sinker therein stealing away God's original plan for us to have dominion over the earth and every creeping thing as he said in Genesis.
Nope. What is amazing is how anyone, in the 21st century, can be so stupid as to deny science.Amazing isn't it? How utterly stupid scientists can be? That's why I'm not interested in their peer reviews or their opinions on the earth. They cannot even figure out how old the earth is. It's already been proven their dating system is seriously flawed but that is another discussion.
p.s. I hope you are not a scientist. I did not mean to offend you personally by my opinion of scientists who deny creation.
I never saw the question about the Rede.So you do not want to explain why the Witch's Rede contradicts itself and yet you find no fault with it? That seems to be a double standard to me on your part. I should add that although I am a Christian that does not agree with your Pagan beliefs it did not stop me from being willing to answer your questions yet you are not able to reciprocate? That sounds unfair. I was not asking for a discussion on the matter. Just your answer would have been sufficient but I really don't believe you would have an explanation for it so it is just as well.
Goodnight.
Ask away.Well, I can only speak fro my personal experience, 20 years as a wytch. Have I ever tried to harm anyone? Nope. Not that I haven't been tempted. I have just never been in a situation in which it was worth it. Have you, in all your studies, ever heard of the Witch's Rede? There are two lines that are important, in regards to this discussion:Dude...I am so not going down another rabbit hole with you. The point is that you seem to have this concept of witches, and witchcraft that belongs in a fantasy novel, not the real world. Allow me to clue you in. I am 50 years old. Do you know how many magickal battles I have been in during my life? Exactly. Zero. It just doesn't work that way in the real world.I would never have anything to do with Dungeons and Dragons role playing game as it is a doorway to demonic oppression / possession and there are young people who have died while involved in that deadly game. Through their involvement with Dungeons and Dragons people can become demonically controlled without realizing what is happening to them. Sadly some schools have even permitted these games to be played as a part of extracurricular clubs. Such games are a crash course in witchcraft.But I should be afraid? What happens if a what does who?!?! You've been playing too much D&D, my friend. What do you think witches are? Wolves that piss on the ground and stake out territory? It doesn't work that way. Not outside of a fantasy novel, anyway. LOL
Interesting that you should bring that particular game up. I have tried to warn people on this board about that game but they do not see the danger. For those who are not familiar with Dungeons and Dragons, it is a game portrayed as an adventure where many battles are fought with various monsters and beings, each having certain abilities and characteristics. There are manuals available with many pictures and details about these different characters.
The players are supposed to visualize the action of the game in their minds. The better they become at "seeing" and anticipating the moves of their opponent the more advanced they become in the game. These "monsters" are actually real demons. What they are visualizing in their minds is what they are actually beginning to see in the spirit world. The spirit world is real and there are people here on this board who will readily admit to that fact. The imagination is a key stepping stone to contact with the spirit world and as the player continues in this D & D game they become infested with demons. There are more advanced manuals that detail spells, incantations and demonic writing that is used and taught to the witches and warlocks of The Brotherhood itslef. (that is an organization known to some Witches but likely not known to those who do not know about the occult). Higher level players of D & D have admitted to conversing with these beings (demons) and even inviting these demons into them for greater powers.
So if the reader can imagine that D & D would be like the crash course in witchcraft, the battles that take place over territory, disputes among witches, warlocks is very real and in some cases ends with the death of the one with the weaker powers. Satan's kingdom is highly organized. There are territories and there are people in certain positions of authority in those territories and there are on occasion battles for those territories and the power over those territories.
For an example, there is a testimony of a Doctor who worked at a hospital in the intensive care unit. She was a Christian and the Lord had permitted her to stand in the gap (she prayed daily) for the hospital and the city according to Ezekiel 22:30-31 as the city and hospital had a number of powerful witches in it.
This Doctor had encountered patients who were dying because they were under attack by a very powerful group of witches. In fact, there were high level witches working in that hospital and in the department she worked in. Their prayers against the doctor didn't work (because she was a Christian) but against those who were targeted and also against those involved in the occult who became sick and ended up in that hospital, things were taking a turn for the worse.
One by one the Doctor interceded for them and God did a great work but in one particular case a man (who was a witch although he denied this) was in great danger and was quickly fading. He had been in a battle with a more powerful witch over a territory. She had come across many patients afflicted by witchcraft attacks before so she knew what she was seeing.
She did tell the man but at first what God had revealed to her about him but he denied it and said she was crazy (this is a common reaction from people in witchcraft- to accuse someone who knows what is going on of being crazy - because the occult is a hidden society and these people are very guarded about revealing what they are involved in - secrecy is a rule that is taken very seriously).
Later, when he was on the verge of dying and had become desperate he admitted to her it was true. She asked him if she could pray for him and while I am writing about this story from memory I do recall that when the doctor prayed for him he was completely healed and knew that it was the Lord Jesus Christ who had healed him!
It seems to me as I recall that this man who was healed decided not accept Jesus Christ as his savior even after God saving his life but chose to move to another city as he could not stay in the same city with the more powerful witch who had almost killed him. It is sad to say that not everyone who sees the power of God and even knows God saved their life, is willing to give up witchcraft. What they do not realize is that ultimately it will lead to their eternal destruction.
Thank you for reading. I hope to return later (God willing) and continue the discussion.
I'm not asking you to go down any rabbit hole, Cern. I merely responded to your reply because what you said was not accurate. In response to your claim that I have a concept about witches and witchcraft that belong in a fantasy novel, I have to tell you that this isn't my concept. What I've given you is the testimonies of people who have prayed for people in witchcraft who have come under attack through spells, hexes, psychic attacks, etc. You say that you have never been in a magickal battle with anyone.
Have you ever been under a psychic attack from another witch? Have you ever been the recipient of someone trying to harm you through witchcraft? Have you ever tried to harm anyone by using a spell to retaliate in response to something that someone did to you? You need not answer those questions I am merely clarifying what I meant in my recounting the testimony of a doctor who ministered to people in a hospital where she witnessed and encountered patients who had come under such an attack.
In fact, there is a former high level Witch named Bill Schnoebelen who wrote an entire book about Wicca. It's called Wicca, Satan's little lie and is available online. Bill states that in his experience as a witch this was a constant problem. He didn't call them magickal battles. He called them psychic attacks / pyschic wars. In his book Bill writes about his coven and the trouble of Witches covens in psychic wars that plagued his city:
But we were never really at peace. We did all the right things and tried to help our people grow, but they never seemed fulfilled either. They acted happy, but their eyes were dark and hollow. They said they were fulfilled but their lives denied it. We were the ONLY married couple in Wicca that didn't get divorced!
Sadly, a majority of the people we tried to help got worse! Many of them became either so filled with their own egos that they could not relate to anyone else or they sank into the mire of drugs or liquor. To or three went quite insane!
in Milwaukee, we had psychic wars between groups. Witches were shooting at each other in the streets because of adultery. Curses were filling the air like mosquitos on a hot Wisconsin night!
Pagans like to make fun of Catholics because of all the wars they started, but the only difference between the Pagans and the Catholics is that the Pagans never ran a government and had the power to raise armies.
I used to read THE GREEN EGG, Tim Zell's Neo-Pagan magazine. Almost every issue contained a vicious feud in the letter columns.
Why? Because you are dealing with sinful, fallen human beings,that's why! God says the human heart is desperately wicked and deceitful above all things (Jeremiah 17:9).
You may not call yourself a Satanist, but if you have not made Jesus Christ your Lord and Master,then Satan is your lord and master. We learned this the hard way! - Bill Schoenbelen Wicca Satan's little White Lie
So there you have it. One man who was the head of a coven in Wisconsin and a very powerful witch who gave his life to Jesus Christ and says that these feuds between witches /covens was a major problem.
"Mind the Three-fold Laws you should three times bad and three times good.", and "These Eight words the Rede fulfill: 'An Ye Harm None, Do What Ye Will'"
Now, a lot of your bubblegum, fluffy-bununy witches will insisthat this is a warning to never hurt anyone. However, that is simply not the case. The finally line is pretty self-explanatory - if you are not hurting anyone, you do you. It's all good. Okay. However, remember when I said that humans are notoriously short-sighted? Well, that is pretty much true of all of us.n So, here is the question: How do you know? How do you know if an action you take, whether magickal, or mundane (and, no, the Rede is not restricted to only magickal actions; it is a guide for every decision that a wytch ever makes), is going to hurt someone one? The simple answer is, you can't. Oh! You can be certain about the immediate effects of any choice, but what about the longer effects, what about the effect it has on peripheral individuals that you didn't think of, or possibly know about? So, does this mean that a wytch can never do anything?
This is where the second line comes into play - the 'three-fold law". The three-fold law is pretty straight forward. Anything you do, whether for good, or for ill, will come back to you three times over. The Hindus called it Kharma. Even the Jews have a version of it, although they expand it to 7-fold. But, it's a pretty universal concept. So, now the question becomes, if what I want to do worth the consequences? If it is, go for it. Just be aware that you made a choice, and what comes next is entirely on you. If it isn't, then don't.
This brings us back to your question have I ever harmed anyone. I have, in 30 years, only intentionally harmed one person, and that was indirectly. And I paid the price for it. Willingly. Now, have I unintentionally harmed anyone? Possibly. Like I said, my ability to follow my actions to the results of every single person that those actions will ever have an effect on is limited. See, contrary to what you may believe, witchcraft isn't about power. It is about balance, and personal responsibility.
I'd like to ask you a two part question about the Witch's Rede before you go. You've asked me quite a few questions (4 or 5 at the beginning of our dialogue) and then the question about my being a bible literalist. So if you would allow me to ask you the two part question about the Witch's Rede that you mentioned is a part of your belief system, I believe that would be fair.
Let me know. Thank you.
The Moorish Empire.No. However, it does appear in contemporary records - particularly Roman - describing the area. However, those records do not refer to what modern maps label as Saudi Arabia.Did I say that it was?can you show me where in the bible "ARABIA" is mentioned?
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It is not at all clear to me why you mentioned "ARABIA" in the time
of Jesus-------the term "Arabia" does not appear in the NT----or the OT
rome had a word which is "Arabia"? I did not know The word ARABIA---as
far as I know it is very vague. ------it seems to me to refer to some places off in the
distance------like the HORIZON in semitic languages. In very recent times it somehow got to be the SOUTHERN part of a big patch of land that was at one time called "ARABIA". Yemen used to be part of "ARABIA"
The references we were discussing was the rise and fall of different actors in the ancient world. In this case, Muhammed rose out of the Arabic desert and his influence spread to Spain and the gates of Byzantium. The Arabic golden age of science lasted from 750-1258AD, when Europe was in the midst of feudalism.The Moorish Empire.No. However, it does appear in contemporary records - particularly Roman - describing the area. However, those records do not refer to what modern maps label as Saudi Arabia.Did I say that it was?
Sent from my 5054N using Tapatalk
It is not at all clear to me why you mentioned "ARABIA" in the time
of Jesus-------the term "Arabia" does not appear in the NT----or the OT
rome had a word which is "Arabia"? I did not know The word ARABIA---as
far as I know it is very vague. ------it seems to me to refer to some places off in the
distance------like the HORIZON in semitic languages. In very recent times it somehow got to be the SOUTHERN part of a big patch of land that was at one time called "ARABIA". Yemen used to be part of "ARABIA"
thanks----the Moorish empire is no more ARABIA than India is Great Britain----but your input is appreciated------it reveals the EXTENT of Arabian Imperialism-----a
pestilence
The references we were discussing was the rise and fall of different actors in the ancient world. In this case, Muhammed rose out of the Arabic desert and his influence spread to Spain and the gates of Byzantium. The Arabic golden age of science lasted from 750-1258AD, when Europe was in the midst of feudalism.The Moorish Empire.No. However, it does appear in contemporary records - particularly Roman - describing the area. However, those records do not refer to what modern maps label as Saudi Arabia.It is not at all clear to me why you mentioned "ARABIA" in the time
of Jesus-------the term "Arabia" does not appear in the NT----or the OT
rome had a word which is "Arabia"? I did not know The word ARABIA---as
far as I know it is very vague. ------it seems to me to refer to some places off in the
distance------like the HORIZON in semitic languages. In very recent times it somehow got to be the SOUTHERN part of a big patch of land that was at one time called "ARABIA". Yemen used to be part of "ARABIA"
thanks----the Moorish empire is no more ARABIA than India is Great Britain----but your input is appreciated------it reveals the EXTENT of Arabian Imperialism-----a
pestilence
6 Reasons the Dark Ages Weren’t So Dark - History Lists
http://www.fasebj.org/content/20/10/1581.full.pdf
European Feudalism
Ask away.Well, I can only speak fro my personal experience, 20 years as a wytch. Have I ever tried to harm anyone? Nope. Not that I haven't been tempted. I have just never been in a situation in which it was worth it. Have you, in all your studies, ever heard of the Witch's Rede? There are two lines that are important, in regards to this discussion:Dude...I am so not going down another rabbit hole with you. The point is that you seem to have this concept of witches, and witchcraft that belongs in a fantasy novel, not the real world. Allow me to clue you in. I am 50 years old. Do you know how many magickal battles I have been in during my life? Exactly. Zero. It just doesn't work that way in the real world.I would never have anything to do with Dungeons and Dragons role playing game as it is a doorway to demonic oppression / possession and there are young people who have died while involved in that deadly game. Through their involvement with Dungeons and Dragons people can become demonically controlled without realizing what is happening to them. Sadly some schools have even permitted these games to be played as a part of extracurricular clubs. Such games are a crash course in witchcraft.
Interesting that you should bring that particular game up. I have tried to warn people on this board about that game but they do not see the danger. For those who are not familiar with Dungeons and Dragons, it is a game portrayed as an adventure where many battles are fought with various monsters and beings, each having certain abilities and characteristics. There are manuals available with many pictures and details about these different characters.
The players are supposed to visualize the action of the game in their minds. The better they become at "seeing" and anticipating the moves of their opponent the more advanced they become in the game. These "monsters" are actually real demons. What they are visualizing in their minds is what they are actually beginning to see in the spirit world. The spirit world is real and there are people here on this board who will readily admit to that fact. The imagination is a key stepping stone to contact with the spirit world and as the player continues in this D & D game they become infested with demons. There are more advanced manuals that detail spells, incantations and demonic writing that is used and taught to the witches and warlocks of The Brotherhood itslef. (that is an organization known to some Witches but likely not known to those who do not know about the occult). Higher level players of D & D have admitted to conversing with these beings (demons) and even inviting these demons into them for greater powers.
So if the reader can imagine that D & D would be like the crash course in witchcraft, the battles that take place over territory, disputes among witches, warlocks is very real and in some cases ends with the death of the one with the weaker powers. Satan's kingdom is highly organized. There are territories and there are people in certain positions of authority in those territories and there are on occasion battles for those territories and the power over those territories.
For an example, there is a testimony of a Doctor who worked at a hospital in the intensive care unit. She was a Christian and the Lord had permitted her to stand in the gap (she prayed daily) for the hospital and the city according to Ezekiel 22:30-31 as the city and hospital had a number of powerful witches in it.
This Doctor had encountered patients who were dying because they were under attack by a very powerful group of witches. In fact, there were high level witches working in that hospital and in the department she worked in. Their prayers against the doctor didn't work (because she was a Christian) but against those who were targeted and also against those involved in the occult who became sick and ended up in that hospital, things were taking a turn for the worse.
One by one the Doctor interceded for them and God did a great work but in one particular case a man (who was a witch although he denied this) was in great danger and was quickly fading. He had been in a battle with a more powerful witch over a territory. She had come across many patients afflicted by witchcraft attacks before so she knew what she was seeing.
She did tell the man but at first what God had revealed to her about him but he denied it and said she was crazy (this is a common reaction from people in witchcraft- to accuse someone who knows what is going on of being crazy - because the occult is a hidden society and these people are very guarded about revealing what they are involved in - secrecy is a rule that is taken very seriously).
Later, when he was on the verge of dying and had become desperate he admitted to her it was true. She asked him if she could pray for him and while I am writing about this story from memory I do recall that when the doctor prayed for him he was completely healed and knew that it was the Lord Jesus Christ who had healed him!
It seems to me as I recall that this man who was healed decided not accept Jesus Christ as his savior even after God saving his life but chose to move to another city as he could not stay in the same city with the more powerful witch who had almost killed him. It is sad to say that not everyone who sees the power of God and even knows God saved their life, is willing to give up witchcraft. What they do not realize is that ultimately it will lead to their eternal destruction.
Thank you for reading. I hope to return later (God willing) and continue the discussion.
I'm not asking you to go down any rabbit hole, Cern. I merely responded to your reply because what you said was not accurate. In response to your claim that I have a concept about witches and witchcraft that belong in a fantasy novel, I have to tell you that this isn't my concept. What I've given you is the testimonies of people who have prayed for people in witchcraft who have come under attack through spells, hexes, psychic attacks, etc. You say that you have never been in a magickal battle with anyone.
Have you ever been under a psychic attack from another witch? Have you ever been the recipient of someone trying to harm you through witchcraft? Have you ever tried to harm anyone by using a spell to retaliate in response to something that someone did to you? You need not answer those questions I am merely clarifying what I meant in my recounting the testimony of a doctor who ministered to people in a hospital where she witnessed and encountered patients who had come under such an attack.
In fact, there is a former high level Witch named Bill Schnoebelen who wrote an entire book about Wicca. It's called Wicca, Satan's little lie and is available online. Bill states that in his experience as a witch this was a constant problem. He didn't call them magickal battles. He called them psychic attacks / pyschic wars. In his book Bill writes about his coven and the trouble of Witches covens in psychic wars that plagued his city:
But we were never really at peace. We did all the right things and tried to help our people grow, but they never seemed fulfilled either. They acted happy, but their eyes were dark and hollow. They said they were fulfilled but their lives denied it. We were the ONLY married couple in Wicca that didn't get divorced!
Sadly, a majority of the people we tried to help got worse! Many of them became either so filled with their own egos that they could not relate to anyone else or they sank into the mire of drugs or liquor. To or three went quite insane!
in Milwaukee, we had psychic wars between groups. Witches were shooting at each other in the streets because of adultery. Curses were filling the air like mosquitos on a hot Wisconsin night!
Pagans like to make fun of Catholics because of all the wars they started, but the only difference between the Pagans and the Catholics is that the Pagans never ran a government and had the power to raise armies.
I used to read THE GREEN EGG, Tim Zell's Neo-Pagan magazine. Almost every issue contained a vicious feud in the letter columns.
Why? Because you are dealing with sinful, fallen human beings,that's why! God says the human heart is desperately wicked and deceitful above all things (Jeremiah 17:9).
You may not call yourself a Satanist, but if you have not made Jesus Christ your Lord and Master,then Satan is your lord and master. We learned this the hard way! - Bill Schoenbelen Wicca Satan's little White Lie
So there you have it. One man who was the head of a coven in Wisconsin and a very powerful witch who gave his life to Jesus Christ and says that these feuds between witches /covens was a major problem.
"Mind the Three-fold Laws you should three times bad and three times good.", and "These Eight words the Rede fulfill: 'An Ye Harm None, Do What Ye Will'"
Now, a lot of your bubblegum, fluffy-bununy witches will insisthat this is a warning to never hurt anyone. However, that is simply not the case. The finally line is pretty self-explanatory - if you are not hurting anyone, you do you. It's all good. Okay. However, remember when I said that humans are notoriously short-sighted? Well, that is pretty much true of all of us.n So, here is the question: How do you know? How do you know if an action you take, whether magickal, or mundane (and, no, the Rede is not restricted to only magickal actions; it is a guide for every decision that a wytch ever makes), is going to hurt someone one? The simple answer is, you can't. Oh! You can be certain about the immediate effects of any choice, but what about the longer effects, what about the effect it has on peripheral individuals that you didn't think of, or possibly know about? So, does this mean that a wytch can never do anything?
This is where the second line comes into play - the 'three-fold law". The three-fold law is pretty straight forward. Anything you do, whether for good, or for ill, will come back to you three times over. The Hindus called it Kharma. Even the Jews have a version of it, although they expand it to 7-fold. But, it's a pretty universal concept. So, now the question becomes, if what I want to do worth the consequences? If it is, go for it. Just be aware that you made a choice, and what comes next is entirely on you. If it isn't, then don't.
This brings us back to your question have I ever harmed anyone. I have, in 30 years, only intentionally harmed one person, and that was indirectly. And I paid the price for it. Willingly. Now, have I unintentionally harmed anyone? Possibly. Like I said, my ability to follow my actions to the results of every single person that those actions will ever have an effect on is limited. See, contrary to what you may believe, witchcraft isn't about power. It is about balance, and personal responsibility.
I'd like to ask you a two part question about the Witch's Rede before you go. You've asked me quite a few questions (4 or 5 at the beginning of our dialogue) and then the question about my being a bible literalist. So if you would allow me to ask you the two part question about the Witch's Rede that you mentioned is a part of your belief system, I believe that would be fair.
Let me know. Thank you.
Reminds me of this:The references we were discussing was the rise and fall of different actors in the ancient world. In this case, Muhammed rose out of the Arabic desert and his influence spread to Spain and the gates of Byzantium. The Arabic golden age of science lasted from 750-1258AD, when Europe was in the midst of feudalism.The Moorish Empire.No. However, it does appear in contemporary records - particularly Roman - describing the area. However, those records do not refer to what modern maps label as Saudi Arabia.
rome had a word which is "Arabia"? I did not know The word ARABIA---as
far as I know it is very vague. ------it seems to me to refer to some places off in the
distance------like the HORIZON in semitic languages. In very recent times it somehow got to be the SOUTHERN part of a big patch of land that was at one time called "ARABIA". Yemen used to be part of "ARABIA"
thanks----the Moorish empire is no more ARABIA than India is Great Britain----but your input is appreciated------it reveals the EXTENT of Arabian Imperialism-----a
pestilence
6 Reasons the Dark Ages Weren’t So Dark - History Lists
http://www.fasebj.org/content/20/10/1581.full.pdf
European Feudalism
thanks for the links ----my point was that in the time of Jesus-----even what is
today the ARABIAN desert ------was not so termed. ARAB is a word which
way back then referred to persons living ------way out there in the wilderness of
----at that time---DESERTS. I am not sure how what today we call "Arabic"----
was termed back then.
As you say ask away, I will take you up on that offer. You said that Satan is a Christian concept therein suggesting that Satan has nothing to do with Paganism or Wicca. If Satan is a Christian concept then how could literally hundreds of pre-Christian and post-Christian religions believe in the existence of Satan by name or a being depicting Satan but using another name for him? Judaism predated Christianity and in the Tenach (Old Testament part of the Bible) there are five "by name" references to Satan. This is the original Hebrew bible. How can you explain this?Ask away.Well, I can only speak fro my personal experience, 20 years as a wytch. Have I ever tried to harm anyone? Nope. Not that I haven't been tempted. I have just never been in a situation in which it was worth it. Have you, in all your studies, ever heard of the Witch's Rede? There are two lines that are important, in regards to this discussion:Dude...I am so not going down another rabbit hole with you. The point is that you seem to have this concept of witches, and witchcraft that belongs in a fantasy novel, not the real world. Allow me to clue you in. I am 50 years old. Do you know how many magickal battles I have been in during my life? Exactly. Zero. It just doesn't work that way in the real world.I would never have anything to do with Dungeons and Dragons role playing game as it is a doorway to demonic oppression / possession and there are young people who have died while involved in that deadly game. Through their involvement with Dungeons and Dragons people can become demonically controlled without realizing what is happening to them. Sadly some schools have even permitted these games to be played as a part of extracurricular clubs. Such games are a crash course in witchcraft.
Interesting that you should bring that particular game up. I have tried to warn people on this board about that game but they do not see the danger. For those who are not familiar with Dungeons and Dragons, it is a game portrayed as an adventure where many battles are fought with various monsters and beings, each having certain abilities and characteristics. There are manuals available with many pictures and details about these different characters.
The players are supposed to visualize the action of the game in their minds. The better they become at "seeing" and anticipating the moves of their opponent the more advanced they become in the game. These "monsters" are actually real demons. What they are visualizing in their minds is what they are actually beginning to see in the spirit world. The spirit world is real and there are people here on this board who will readily admit to that fact. The imagination is a key stepping stone to contact with the spirit world and as the player continues in this D & D game they become infested with demons. There are more advanced manuals that detail spells, incantations and demonic writing that is used and taught to the witches and warlocks of The Brotherhood itslef. (that is an organization known to some Witches but likely not known to those who do not know about the occult). Higher level players of D & D have admitted to conversing with these beings (demons) and even inviting these demons into them for greater powers.
So if the reader can imagine that D & D would be like the crash course in witchcraft, the battles that take place over territory, disputes among witches, warlocks is very real and in some cases ends with the death of the one with the weaker powers. Satan's kingdom is highly organized. There are territories and there are people in certain positions of authority in those territories and there are on occasion battles for those territories and the power over those territories.
For an example, there is a testimony of a Doctor who worked at a hospital in the intensive care unit. She was a Christian and the Lord had permitted her to stand in the gap (she prayed daily) for the hospital and the city according to Ezekiel 22:30-31 as the city and hospital had a number of powerful witches in it.
This Doctor had encountered patients who were dying because they were under attack by a very powerful group of witches. In fact, there were high level witches working in that hospital and in the department she worked in. Their prayers against the doctor didn't work (because she was a Christian) but against those who were targeted and also against those involved in the occult who became sick and ended up in that hospital, things were taking a turn for the worse.
One by one the Doctor interceded for them and God did a great work but in one particular case a man (who was a witch although he denied this) was in great danger and was quickly fading. He had been in a battle with a more powerful witch over a territory. She had come across many patients afflicted by witchcraft attacks before so she knew what she was seeing.
She did tell the man but at first what God had revealed to her about him but he denied it and said she was crazy (this is a common reaction from people in witchcraft- to accuse someone who knows what is going on of being crazy - because the occult is a hidden society and these people are very guarded about revealing what they are involved in - secrecy is a rule that is taken very seriously).
Later, when he was on the verge of dying and had become desperate he admitted to her it was true. She asked him if she could pray for him and while I am writing about this story from memory I do recall that when the doctor prayed for him he was completely healed and knew that it was the Lord Jesus Christ who had healed him!
It seems to me as I recall that this man who was healed decided not accept Jesus Christ as his savior even after God saving his life but chose to move to another city as he could not stay in the same city with the more powerful witch who had almost killed him. It is sad to say that not everyone who sees the power of God and even knows God saved their life, is willing to give up witchcraft. What they do not realize is that ultimately it will lead to their eternal destruction.
Thank you for reading. I hope to return later (God willing) and continue the discussion.
I'm not asking you to go down any rabbit hole, Cern. I merely responded to your reply because what you said was not accurate. In response to your claim that I have a concept about witches and witchcraft that belong in a fantasy novel, I have to tell you that this isn't my concept. What I've given you is the testimonies of people who have prayed for people in witchcraft who have come under attack through spells, hexes, psychic attacks, etc. You say that you have never been in a magickal battle with anyone.
Have you ever been under a psychic attack from another witch? Have you ever been the recipient of someone trying to harm you through witchcraft? Have you ever tried to harm anyone by using a spell to retaliate in response to something that someone did to you? You need not answer those questions I am merely clarifying what I meant in my recounting the testimony of a doctor who ministered to people in a hospital where she witnessed and encountered patients who had come under such an attack.
In fact, there is a former high level Witch named Bill Schnoebelen who wrote an entire book about Wicca. It's called Wicca, Satan's little lie and is available online. Bill states that in his experience as a witch this was a constant problem. He didn't call them magickal battles. He called them psychic attacks / pyschic wars. In his book Bill writes about his coven and the trouble of Witches covens in psychic wars that plagued his city:
But we were never really at peace. We did all the right things and tried to help our people grow, but they never seemed fulfilled either. They acted happy, but their eyes were dark and hollow. They said they were fulfilled but their lives denied it. We were the ONLY married couple in Wicca that didn't get divorced!
Sadly, a majority of the people we tried to help got worse! Many of them became either so filled with their own egos that they could not relate to anyone else or they sank into the mire of drugs or liquor. To or three went quite insane!
in Milwaukee, we had psychic wars between groups. Witches were shooting at each other in the streets because of adultery. Curses were filling the air like mosquitos on a hot Wisconsin night!
Pagans like to make fun of Catholics because of all the wars they started, but the only difference between the Pagans and the Catholics is that the Pagans never ran a government and had the power to raise armies.
I used to read THE GREEN EGG, Tim Zell's Neo-Pagan magazine. Almost every issue contained a vicious feud in the letter columns.
Why? Because you are dealing with sinful, fallen human beings,that's why! God says the human heart is desperately wicked and deceitful above all things (Jeremiah 17:9).
You may not call yourself a Satanist, but if you have not made Jesus Christ your Lord and Master,then Satan is your lord and master. We learned this the hard way! - Bill Schoenbelen Wicca Satan's little White Lie
So there you have it. One man who was the head of a coven in Wisconsin and a very powerful witch who gave his life to Jesus Christ and says that these feuds between witches /covens was a major problem.
"Mind the Three-fold Laws you should three times bad and three times good.", and "These Eight words the Rede fulfill: 'An Ye Harm None, Do What Ye Will'"
Now, a lot of your bubblegum, fluffy-bununy witches will insisthat this is a warning to never hurt anyone. However, that is simply not the case. The finally line is pretty self-explanatory - if you are not hurting anyone, you do you. It's all good. Okay. However, remember when I said that humans are notoriously short-sighted? Well, that is pretty much true of all of us.n So, here is the question: How do you know? How do you know if an action you take, whether magickal, or mundane (and, no, the Rede is not restricted to only magickal actions; it is a guide for every decision that a wytch ever makes), is going to hurt someone one? The simple answer is, you can't. Oh! You can be certain about the immediate effects of any choice, but what about the longer effects, what about the effect it has on peripheral individuals that you didn't think of, or possibly know about? So, does this mean that a wytch can never do anything?
This is where the second line comes into play - the 'three-fold law". The three-fold law is pretty straight forward. Anything you do, whether for good, or for ill, will come back to you three times over. The Hindus called it Kharma. Even the Jews have a version of it, although they expand it to 7-fold. But, it's a pretty universal concept. So, now the question becomes, if what I want to do worth the consequences? If it is, go for it. Just be aware that you made a choice, and what comes next is entirely on you. If it isn't, then don't.
This brings us back to your question have I ever harmed anyone. I have, in 30 years, only intentionally harmed one person, and that was indirectly. And I paid the price for it. Willingly. Now, have I unintentionally harmed anyone? Possibly. Like I said, my ability to follow my actions to the results of every single person that those actions will ever have an effect on is limited. See, contrary to what you may believe, witchcraft isn't about power. It is about balance, and personal responsibility.
I'd like to ask you a two part question about the Witch's Rede before you go. You've asked me quite a few questions (4 or 5 at the beginning of our dialogue) and then the question about my being a bible literalist. So if you would allow me to ask you the two part question about the Witch's Rede that you mentioned is a part of your belief system, I believe that would be fair.
Let me know. Thank you.
Reminds me of this:The references we were discussing was the rise and fall of different actors in the ancient world. In this case, Muhammed rose out of the Arabic desert and his influence spread to Spain and the gates of Byzantium. The Arabic golden age of science lasted from 750-1258AD, when Europe was in the midst of feudalism.The Moorish Empire.rome had a word which is "Arabia"? I did not know The word ARABIA---as
far as I know it is very vague. ------it seems to me to refer to some places off in the
distance------like the HORIZON in semitic languages. In very recent times it somehow got to be the SOUTHERN part of a big patch of land that was at one time called "ARABIA". Yemen used to be part of "ARABIA"
thanks----the Moorish empire is no more ARABIA than India is Great Britain----but your input is appreciated------it reveals the EXTENT of Arabian Imperialism-----a
pestilence
6 Reasons the Dark Ages Weren’t So Dark - History Lists
http://www.fasebj.org/content/20/10/1581.full.pdf
European Feudalism
thanks for the links ----my point was that in the time of Jesus-----even what is
today the ARABIAN desert ------was not so termed. ARAB is a word which
way back then referred to persons living ------way out there in the wilderness of
----at that time---DESERTS. I am not sure how what today we call "Arabic"----
was termed back then.
"Boy, those French! They have a different word for everything."
-- Steve Martin
IIRC, the language of Jesus was Aramaic, the language of the Assyrian Empire which existed 6 centuries before Christ and was replaced by Arabic 6 centuries later.
Reminds me of this:The references we were discussing was the rise and fall of different actors in the ancient world. In this case, Muhammed rose out of the Arabic desert and his influence spread to Spain and the gates of Byzantium. The Arabic golden age of science lasted from 750-1258AD, when Europe was in the midst of feudalism.The Moorish Empire.rome had a word which is "Arabia"? I did not know The word ARABIA---as
far as I know it is very vague. ------it seems to me to refer to some places off in the
distance------like the HORIZON in semitic languages. In very recent times it somehow got to be the SOUTHERN part of a big patch of land that was at one time called "ARABIA". Yemen used to be part of "ARABIA"
thanks----the Moorish empire is no more ARABIA than India is Great Britain----but your input is appreciated------it reveals the EXTENT of Arabian Imperialism-----a
pestilence
6 Reasons the Dark Ages Weren’t So Dark - History Lists
http://www.fasebj.org/content/20/10/1581.full.pdf
European Feudalism
thanks for the links ----my point was that in the time of Jesus-----even what is
today the ARABIAN desert ------was not so termed. ARAB is a word which
way back then referred to persons living ------way out there in the wilderness of
----at that time---DESERTS. I am not sure how what today we call "Arabic"----
was termed back then.
"Boy, those French! They have a different word for everything."
-- Steve Martin
IIRC, the language of Jesus was Aramaic, the language of the Assyrian Empire which existed 6 centuries before Christ and was replaced by Arabic 6 centuries later.
