OWS inspired group now engaging in Criminal Acts in LA

[Toddsterpatriot]

Glad to know big banks and corporations can be dicks and get no retribution for it. But the protesters are unwashed idiots for making a statement about it. Go ahead, keep ignoring my point and repeating the same irrelevant bullshit.

Awww, did the big banks hurt your feelings?

Nice argument, bucko. You really made a strong case against my points by totally ignoring them.

You should try to cash a $673 billion check, that will make your case.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Ok, is it just me or is this going well beyond stupid?

 

[thereisnospoon]

The big banks paid back their "welfare".
At a profit to the Treasury.

you realize we have loaned out trillions right?
things you didnt even know.



but keep defending them.

The loans from the Fed were paid back even before the loans from TARP.

The federal government ordered banks to take the loans then threatened those banks which paid them back early.
Banks that refused the loans were threatened by Congress and the DOJ.
Wisconsin Bank Refuses TARP Funds : NPR.
The Obama DOJ also was busy threatening small banks that refused to make high risk loans...They called it "discrimination"....Aptos, CA psychologsit: Obama’s Justice dept. forces small bank to make sub-prime loans. This is not justice! | Monterey Bay Forum

And here is an example of the kind of mentality that ran the housing market into the ground. The government policy of forcing banks to make loans to unqualified buyers in the name of "fairness"....Why Are There Subprime Loans?..
Newsflash....The right to borrow money does not exist. Loans are contracts. The lender and borrower reach an agreement which obligates the lender to pay the borrower while the borrower agrees to payment terms. In the case of a home purchase, an attorney representing each side deciphers the loan term language so that it is understood by both parties.

 

[Intense]

An SEIU board member, Lerner is one of the architects of a subversive plan that aims to destroy the nation’s financial system through intimidation, mass protests, and the mob violence that accompanies it. As part of it, Lerner targeted JPMorgan Chase for attack earlier this year because the bank would be “a really good company to hate.”

Lerner told a receptive union audience that it is necessary to demonize people like JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon in order to generate hatred and envy that will help to foment revolution. “We’ve got to be clear on the human beings who are bad,” he told the SEIU 775 convention in Seattle on Sept. 22. Wealthy corporate leaders must be made into social outcasts, despised even by their children, he said. “How do we make it so politicians don’t even want their money because their money’s toxic, it’s dirty, it’s evil.”

“It’s one thing if we say JPMorgan Chase crashed the economy. It’s another thing if we say Jamie Dimon makes $20 million a year, who is involved in the opera and all these philanthropies, and thinks he’s a nice guy, and he’s destroying our lives.”

Lerner also calls upon state and local governments to stop doing business with banks that refuse to pay their “fair share” in taxes, slash interest rates, and forgive overextended homeowners’ mortgage principal. He urges students and local governments –which employ many public sector union members— not to pay back “nfair [d]ebt” unless interest rates are lowered. Such a loan strike “would threaten CEO bonuses and bottom lines of the banks.”

Tremendously respected and influential in leftist organizing circles, Lerner has reportedly visited the Obama White House at least four times. SEIU itself burned through a staggering $85 million to promote President Obama’s candidacy. The purple-shirted people beaters’ union even produced a movie called Labor Day to take credit for Obama’s election.

One of the more accomplished union goons in America, Lerner is also one of the leading lights behind the neo-communist Occupy Wall Street campaign. The action has been embraced by a growing chorus of radicals including President Obama, George Soros​, Democratic House Leader Nancy Pelosi, self-described “communist” Van Jones, AFL-CIO thug-in-chief Richard Trumka, and longtime ACORN shill and Occidental College professor Peter Dreier.

Union Gangsters: Stephen Lerner | FrontPage Magazine

 

[thereisnospoon]

where in that list does it show they paid back the 2.5 trillon?

Just read it. Lazy fuck.

 

[Intense]

Stephen Lerner, a controversial anti-capitalist SEIU organizer, is one of the forces behind the protests on Wall Street and nationwide, according to quotes obtained by a socialist activist who doubles as a Washington Post columnist.

WND was first to report Lerner was the brain behind some of the economic protest templates being used by the Occupy Wall Street campaign.

Lerner recently laid out a mass economic protest plan intended to bring down the stock market, and boasted his plan could be used to cause a new financial crisis. His ideology prompted some conservative critics to go so far as to label him an economic terrorist.

Writing in the Washington Post on Tuesday, columnist Harold Meyerson, the vice-chair of Democratic Socialists of America, quoted Lerner describing how a coalition is fomenting the current economic protests.

Here's the rundown on Obama's ties to "communists, socialists and other anti-American extremists" – all in "The Manchurian President."

Lerner described himself as part of that coalition, referring to the organizations behind the demonstrations as "we."

Lerner told Meyerson: "It's a confluence of planned and unplanned demonstrations … . We build on each other. We go ping-ponging back and forth."

The Occupy Wall Street unrest first started Sept. 17 with a protest called the "Day of Rage."

Planners used their own website – USDayofRage.org – which told protesters to "bring your own tent." That website is now a sister site for the Occupy Wall Street initiative.

The website is not specific about the purpose of the protests other than calling for "integrity" to be "restored to our elections."

The site accuses corporations of using "money to act as the voices of millions, while individual citizens, the legitimate voters, are silenced and demoralized by the farce."

In March, ACORN founder Wade Rathke announced what he called "days of rage in 10 cities around JP Morgan Chase." Rathke was president of an SEIU local in New Orleans.

The planned Sept. 17 protest seems to have been the culmination of Rathke's efforts.

WND reported how those efforts were organized by Lerner, an SEIU board member who reportedly visited the Obama White House at least four times.

Lerner is considered one of the most capable organizers of the radical left. He recently organized the SEIU's so-called Justice for Janitors campaign.

As part of his planned protests, Lerner called for "a week of civil disobedience, direct action all over the city."

His stated aim was to "destabilize the folks that are in power and start to rebuild a movement."

In an interview about the Wall Street protests, Lerner outlined his goals: "How do we bring down the stock market? How do we bring down their bonuses? How do we interfere with their ability to, to be rich?"

Read more: Meet the Obama link to Wall Street terror Meet the Obama link to Wall Street terror

 

[Intense]

Wait. This kind of just underlines the point of those guys trying to cash the physically-over-sized check. This move by Bank of America and other banks has kinda been an unpopular move for depositors, especially when most people (hrm... like maybe something rhetorical and catchy like 99%?) are tight for cash in this bad economy. And it's not like Bank of America is a white knight of banks, they're well known for pulling dick moves all the time, regardless of if you have a mortgage with them or not.

Hey, wait again. Didn't I ask what this had to do with Obama? I'm pretty sure 'Durbin' isn't an alternative spelling of Obama.

On Fox Business’ Freedom Watch last week I sat down with Democratic strategist and former Chuck Schumer aide Christopher Hahn to discuss the “ Durbin amendment” to the Dodd-Frank Bill. If you are unfamiliar with the attachment to the bill, you may nonetheless be feeling the effects soon enough in the form of higher banking fees from checking account maintenance to debit card usage.

What the amendment (that went into effect on October 1st) does is place a cap on per-transaction “swipe fees” that banks charge retailers when purchases are made via debit cards. They used to charge retailers roughly 44 cents per transaction. Dodd-Frank limits this to 21 cents. Since these fees are absorbed by the retailers, it doesn’t take a Wharton Business School degree to see that the immediate beneficiaries of this government intrusion into the private sector are the so-called big-box, high-volume retailers such as Walmart, Walgreens, Home Depot, Target, and others.

Mr. Hahn may have offered the weak Democratic operative/apologist defense of the bill in that Durbin was just doing what Senators do by helping his constituents, but I made it a point to remind him that the populist senator’s constituents in this case are not the consumers in his state but rather Big Retail. The last time I checked, many retail titans are far wealthier than most Wall Street “fat cats” already. The Walton family’s combined wealth far outstrips Warren Buffett’s (or Bill Gates’, for that matter), making them the de facto richest family in the world. They are about to get a little wealthier as Walmart reaps its share of this estimated $7 billion annual windfall the Durbin amendment shifts from the banking to the retail sector.

As with every Washington meddling, for each winner there is a loser, and in this case there are not just one but two losers. The first one the Democrats certainly had in their Quixotic cross-hairs, but the second one is a group they actually claimed to be helping when imposing this price-control measure.

Loser 1: the banks, who will no longer make a profit per swipe transaction. In fact, since the average cost in terms of infrastructure maintenance is $0.27 per transaction, the banks are now actually losing money on a per-deal basis. JPMorgan Chase, for example, estimates they stand to lose $1.75 billion annually as the result of this new law. Bank Of America will lose another $1 billion.

Therefore, they must make up their losses somehow.

And this brings us to [drumroll]…

Loser 2: you, me, anyone who doesn’t keep their money in gold ingots buried in the back yard. Citing the impact of the Durbin amendment, the banks are compelled to increase fees elsewhere. And what easier way to make up the difference than attaching new fees onto once free or cheaper services? Say $5 per month for checking, plus a little something each month for using their debit card, etc.

President Obama predictably lashed out at the banks and their impertinent desire to make up the shortfall with his now typical politics-drenched-in-class-warfare admonition over the fees that his fellow Democrats’ amendment facilitated: “The banks,” he fumed, “don’t have some inherent right to get a certain amount of profit, if your customers are being mistreated.” That’s true in any business. It is called business ethics. But imposing a loss is a far cry from reigning in excessive profits! Where price controls are implemented against public utilities, for example, it is mandated that they still garner a “reasonable rate of return.” When Apple sells you an iPad they are making a whopping 57% profit margin. But that is quite alright. Banks, on the other hand—those evil institutions like TD and Bank of America, without whose services I could not run my companies—are given no such leeway.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...p-now-engaging-in-criminal-acts-in-la-10.html

 

[Intense]

Yeah, those protesters are dicks and shouldn't have gone to his front door. Hey wait. This protest isn't even from Occupy Wall Street. This is entirely irrelevant to this thread.

And hey. Where does Obama come into this?

It is a calculated and coordinated effort. Again you already know that, so it is no surprise that all you can do here is divert argument.
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Guided by Alinsky principles, post-Communist
radicals are not idealists but Machiavellians. Their
focus is on means rather than ends, and therefore
they are not bound by organizational orthodoxies in
the way their admired Marxist forebears were. Within
the framework of their revolutionary agenda, they are
flexible and opportunistic and will say anything (and
pretend to be anything) to get what they want, which
is resources and power.
The following anecdote about Alinsky’s teachings
as recounted by The New Republic’s Ryan Lizza nicely
illustrates the focus of Alinsky radicalism: “When
Alinsky would ask new students why they wanted to
organize, they would invariably respond with selfless
bromides about wanting to help others. Alinsky would
then scream back at them that there was a one-word
answer: ‘You want to organize for power!’7
In Rules for Radicals, Alinsky wrote: “From the
moment an organizer enters a community, he lives,
dreams, eats, breathes, sleeps only one thing, and
that is to build the mass power base of what he calls
the army.”8 The issue is never the issue. The issue is
always the revolution.
Unlike the Communists who identified their goal
as a Soviet state - and thereby generated opposition
to their schemes - Alinsky and his followers organize
their power bases without naming the end game,
without declaring a specific future they want to
achieve - socialism, communism, a dictatorship
of the proletariat, or anarchy. Without committing
themselves to concrete principles or a specific future,
they organize exclusively to build a power base
which they can use to destroy the existing society
and its economic system. By refusing to commit to
principles or to identify their goal, they have been
able to organize a coalition of all the elements of the
left who were previously divided by disagreements
over means and ends.
The demagogic standard of the revolution is
“democracy” - a democracy which upends all social
hierarchies, including those based on merit. This is
why Alinsky built his initial power base among the
underclass and the urban poor. The call to make the
last ones first is a powerful religious imperative.
8 Rules for Radicals, p. 113

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/Rules for Revolution (2).pdf

 

[Intense]

So... how is Obama targeting Bank of America again? I really didn't see any conclusive proof in any of that. All I got from it was: some former union leader is friends with Obama, his union organized a protest at some Bank of America executive, therefore Obama is targeting Bank of America.

Wait that's not proof, that's a conspiracy theory. Your argument is because union known for strong-arming management, strong-armed management it means Obama did it. You have no proof to offer besides an article which (in passing) highlights a friendship between and former union leader and Obama. And then you jump to the conclusion that Obama must be targeting Bank of America just from that.

You're still pretty fucking retarded.

You seem to be pretty good at Jerking Yourself off, Retard. Keep telling yourself that there are no connections here. You might eventually believe it, not that it has any credibility.

 

[CT9]

I'm its not part of the protest, these protesters do this every week. How else would u get by with out a job?

 

[Intense]

DC Organizer Admits to Paying ‘Occupy DC’ Protesters

Breitbart.tv » DC Organizer Admits to Paying ‘Occupy DC’ Protesters

 

[likeabird03]

Their protests are directed in the wrong place. Most of the major banks paid back their bailout funds with dividends to the US Taxpayer, that's more than what we will ever see from the likes of Solyndra.

 

[Mr.Nick]

Yes, those leftists certainly are most criminal, making symbolic political statements and loitering in a bank. Those rapscallions!

Roflmao so now Check Fraud is a "symbolic Political Statement" and shitting in Public is fine and dandy.

the check was a stunt in order to gain attention. You know this, so stop pretending its something its not.

Dude taking a shit should be arrested. End of story, but it doesnt speak for the overall movement. Nice try.

How about running around naked, shitting everywhere, destroying and vandalizing property - does that speak for the movement?

How about squatting in parks for weeks does that speak for the movement? harassing people does that speak for the movement?

Every one of them is a piece of shit that belongs in a mental hospital...

Then you have woman bringing their babies down there exposing them to that unsanitary environment, freezing their kids for weeks??

WTF...

The movement is trash.....

Few are even over the age of 35 and those that are happen to be bearded Marxists from the 60's...

Their whole message is "give us something for nothing and fuck everyone else."

Fuck them...

 

[georgephillip]

How are the greed-heads at Forbes magazine responding to occupation?

"Here’s a viewpoint from our friends at Forbes suggesting that ignorance and boredom regarding the banking industry has caused a reflexive action on the part of protestors, and that voting is the solution.

"If that were true, the Bush recession and the Democratically-controlled Congress after would have solved these problems before now.

"The reality is that both political parties are to blame for allowing the 2008 crisis to occur in the first place, and many educated fingers were pointing at the Federal Reserve for a very long time prior to that debacle.

"When the banking industry was questioned by congressional leaders about their lending practices and the resulting collapse, they feigned ignorance of the warning signs, the causes, and their own culpability.

"This is not acceptable, nor is it an accurate assessment of what occurred."

Forbes Lectures Occupation Movement | Occupy Los Angeles

Actually, voting can solve this problem.
Vote AGAINST every Republican AND Democrat running for reelection in 2012.
FLUSH the DC Toilet and fire the second shot heard 'round the world.

 

[California Girl]

And I bet everyone there is so proud of them. Golly, gee, hope Mom and Dad are watching. And they compare this to the Tea Party. Why doesn't the fire dept. come and spray them for their monthly baths?

Because we value water in CA.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Oh no they had a check? Such violence is unimaginable! /s

 

[georgephillip]

Bank of America's violent tendencies...

"The most recent bombshell hit in early September when Bank of America was one of 17 firms ranging from Citigroup to General Electric that was sued by the Federal Housing Finance Agency, which claimed the lenders misled Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac about the quality of loans that were packaged and sold to the government-sponsored enterprises..."

The Lawsuits Plaguing Bank Of America - Forbes

 

[Full-Auto]

Bank of America's violent tendencies...

"The most recent bombshell hit in early September when Bank of America was one of 17 firms ranging from Citigroup to General Electric that was sued by the Federal Housing Finance Agency, which claimed the lenders misled Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac about the quality of loans that were packaged and sold to the government-sponsored enterprises..."

The Lawsuits Plaguing Bank Of America - Forbes

We have sued banks and will sue you if you dont make high risk loans.

What you made high risk loans. were suing you.

 

[georgephillip]

Bank of America's violent tendencies...

"The most recent bombshell hit in early September when Bank of America was one of 17 firms ranging from Citigroup to General Electric that was sued by the Federal Housing Finance Agency, which claimed the lenders misled Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac about the quality of loans that were packaged and sold to the government-sponsored enterprises..."

The Lawsuits Plaguing Bank Of America - Forbes

We have sued banks and will sue you if you dont make high risk loans.

What you made high risk loans. were suing you.

Why did most of the mortgage fraud come from institutions that were NOT subject to the CRA?

 

[Intense]

How The Democrats Caused The Financial Crisis: Starring Bill Clinton's HUD Secretary Andrew Cuomo And

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