Our immigration laws protect illegal aliens

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    ]OUR IMMIGRATION LAWS PROTECT ILLEGAL ALIENS
    from U.S. citizens but don’t not protect U.S. citizens from Illegal Aliens.

    Illegal Aliens kill 12 Americans and rape 8 children every day, plus the out of control Latino gangs the smuggle and deal drugs and commit other crimes and are the most dangerous of all gangs in this country. Illegal aliens have killed more Americans than the Iraq war.

    Illegal Aliens take jobs and lower wages of Americans that take away their American dreams and of their children. American workers are replaced with Illegal Aliens because business prefer them because they are cheap labor and they can abuse them and they cannot complain.
    We can stop those crossing the border for their papers but when they get passed border patrols agents our government makes it a crime to stop anyone suspected of being in the country illegally and ask them for their papers, but a US citizens can be stopped and ask for their papers.

    A man recently on C-Span about race relations complained about being racially profiled. He had been working here for 12 years and could not speak English but keep telling the office he was a U.S. citizen but could not produce papers. He was stopped for running a red light. Duh? Reasonable suspicion.

    Our immigration law do not target Illegal Aliens but target U.S. citizens.
     
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    50 looks, and no responses - what is wrong with these people? I love you already, and I just got here. I live in a illegal alien protection zone - Maryland. There should be a bounty on them. They love our milk, and honey but hate us, and our language. They have ruined
    the construction buisness driving down the wages, and doing crappy work. The Republicans, and demorcrats love cheap labor - the Demacrats love the constituency. Neither put the country first. A country that doesn't uphold it's laws is doomed- God help us!
     
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    The lil ol lady is deranged.

    The 4th amendment protects me and every American from unreasonable searches. There is no such protection for illegals. An American can not be legally forced to produce ID. The governing case law is Hiibel. Illegals have no such protection. However, you don't get to toss me and my rights under the bus because you're a bitter old lady who has some axe to grind with illegals. We don't let you profile people and ask for ID because it would mean that x number of Americans would have to show ID, adverse to the 4th amendment. We would even end up deporting some Americans who might not be able to produce ID. You see, there is no requirement for an American to even possess ID. It's a fundamnetal little thing we like to call "freedom". Crossing the border illegally is a misdemeanor. We (sane Americans) are not going to be sacrificing the 4th amendment anytime soon in order to catch a bunch of misdemeanors.
     
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    The idiots in power have destroyed this Country, just a matter of time before we have a civil war , the writing is on the wall. Way to many social and financial problems for most to bear. The melting pot has became a big shit sandwich.
     
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    They don't just cross the border - they invade our country and compete with citizens - they come to stay. They burden our health care system, and schools. Every doller they make is illicit gain. When caught, everything they own should be confiscated, they should do jail time, and be deported!
    You are wrong about the ID- I know there are states that do require you to show it. US citizens are required to sow ID in many instances. Sounds like you are one of these liberals who want to give our presious country away -after so many of us have sacrifised life, and limb to establish, and keep it. You are discusting!
     
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    There is no law in anywhere in any state that requires anyone to even have an ID, much less required to show something that you aren't even required to have. This doesn't take a genius to understand that you can not be required to show something that you are not even required to possess in the first place. :cuckoo:

    The law of the land is the 4th amendment, the case law is Hiibel, pertaining to how and when you are required to identify yourself. You are only required to state your name to authorities when they can articulate reasonable suspicion of a crime. There must first be articulate, reasonable suspicion of a crime before anyone is even required to state their name.

    This is part of the bed rock of our governing principles. No one has to prove they are innocent of anything. The government has to prove you guilty. It's called FREEDOM and it often does take more than your average bumpkin to understand how it is insured. If we allow the principles to be changed on the notion of dealing with illegals, then the whole game, the entire idea of American liberty as we know it changes. We believe in the presumption of innocence. We require reasonable suspicion to even ask questions and solid proof to go further. We don;t operate on the baloney of having cops walking around all willy nilly, with the power to make demands, the power to make you prove your innocence, before any notion of guilt has even been presented. If you look a certain way we can start demanding proof from you?

    You people are DANGEROUS to me, my country and my freedom. You can hate Hispanics all you want but when you start screwing with my rights and my liberty, to satisfy your gusto for dinging people for a misdemeanor....then you have a fight with me.

    Crossing the border illegal is a misdemeanor. Why don't you assholes focus on that first. If you can get that changed from what it has always been, then you can talk realistically about this other stuff. But you want to mess with Constitutional liberty over a bunch of misdemeanor infractions?

    Never going to happen. Tell your neighbors to stop hiring illegals, boycott the manufacturers and meat packers and chicken processors that use them. THAT works without touching my rights. Have at it.
     
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    No, it is un-Constitutional to stop someone and compel him to provide ID absent probable cause, ‘looking illegal’ is not probable cause.

    Illegal aliens are entitled to due process, as held by the Court in Plyler v. Doe:

    “Aliens, even aliens whose presence in this country is unlawful, have long been recognized as ‘persons’ guaranteed due process of law by the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.”

    Since illegal aliens have the right to habeas, therefore, any unwarranted search is subject to challenge.

    For the most part correct, whether illegal alien or citizen, the 4th Amendment prohibits unreasonable searches and seizures without a warrant or probable cause. Even in a Terry Stop, where PC isn’t required, law enforcement must have at least a reasonable suspicion of possible criminal activity, which would be absent when randomly stopping people searching for ‘llegals.’
     
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    I don't hate hispanics; I was married to one, andI still love her! I hate invaders who have no regard for our laws ; that sneak into our country, and set up shop, compete against our citizens utilizing an underground economy. If they stole food off your table you would have a different oppinion.
    In the forfeiture laws, you are guilty until proven innocent!
    Home Depot ask for a drivers license when you take an item back!
    Do you beleive in enforcing our laws? It is the flip side of protecting our rights!
    I don't want to see our right eroded under any guise!
     
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    Home Depot? You are comparing the Home Depot return policy to the Constitution of the United States of America? Brilliant.

    Can the hyperbole. I don't have to carry an ID. There is no law anywhere in the US that requires me to even have an ID, much less show it to anyone. There is a much better way, an easier way, to deal with illegals. You just take their jobs. It's so simple it hurts some folks brains, evidently.


    Yes, I understand. What I said was in response to the Lil ol' Lady's claims that Americans are required to show ID but we have some secret, special law that says illegals in specific do not show ID.... of course the idea being that there is a conspiracy to afford illegals more rights, privileges and freedom than Americans... I was just saying that no such thing exist...

    We have NO LAWS that require ANYONE to produce ID by random request. We presume innocence here as a bed rock principle.
     
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    Not with forfeiture!
    My point is that you need an ID for many things. It just seems that liberals are so adamant
    about letting anyone come here and stay - they want to make it as easy as can be. I honestly beleive they wan't to collapse are economy - they hate capitalism.
    I would like to see the gov. do something effective - I'm tired of the rhetoric from both sides. Just inforce the law!
     

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