Oswald visited USSR and Cuban embassies before killing JFK

[Blackrook]

Why would the CIA kill JFK? Give me one good reason.

Kennedy was thinking of getting out of Vietnam?

That work?

No, it doesn't work.

 

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[Picaro]

Why would the CIA kill JFK? Give me one good reason.

Kennedy was thinking of getting out of Vietnam?

That work?

No. Kennedy not only green lighted the Diem assassination in October '63, he increased U.S. presence there right up to two or three weeks before he was assassinated. He wouldn't have bothered with Diem if he intended to get out. The Kennedy family's PR machine began peddling that later on; it's just revisionism, as is the vast majority of the Camelot Myth. the fantasy that the CIA read one of his diary entries and plotted out an elaborate assassination schemes like the loons and cranks insist happened id prima facie ridiculous nonsense, even if they wanted to.

JFK was notoriously wishy washy and his diary entries mean nothing. His main concern with Diem is him and his brother were attempting to negotiate a unilateral peace deal with Ho, and Kennedy was afraid of how that would effect his rep as a McCarthyite 'anti-communist' in his upcoming re-election campaign is the far more likely reality as to why he had Diem done away with. No way JFK would have pulled out of VN, at least not until the end of his second term, anyway.

 

[Blackrook]

Kennedy's assassination was karma biting him in the ass.

 

[gipper]

Why would the CIA kill JFK? Give me one good reason.

Kennedy was thinking of getting out of Vietnam?

That work?

No. Kennedy not only green lighted the Diem assassination in October '63, he increased U.S. presence there right up to two or three weeks before he was assassinated. He wouldn't have bothered with Diem if he intended to get out. The Kennedy family's PR machine began peddling that later on; it's just revisionism, as is the vast majority of the Camelot Myth. the fantasy that the CIA read one of his diary entries and plotted out an elaborate assassination schemes like the loons and cranks insist happened id prima facie ridiculous nonsense, even if they wanted to.

JFK was notoriously wishy washy and his diary entries mean nothing. His main concern with Diem is him and his brother were attempting to negotiate a unilateral peace deal with Ho, and Kennedy was afraid of how that would effect his rep as a McCarthyite 'anti-communist' in his upcoming re-election campaign is the far more likely reality as to why he had Diem done away with. No way JFK would have pulled out of VN, at least not until the end of his second term, anyway.

Not true.

Withdrawal from Vietnam (Oct. 11, 1963). JFK signs NSAM 263, an order to withdraw 1,000 troops out of roughly 16,000 Americans stationed in Vietnam by the end of 1963, with the complete withdrawal by the end of 1965.

Escalation in Vietnam (Nov. 26, 1963): Signed by President Lyndon Johnson four days after JFK’s death, NSAM 273 succeeded NSAM 263 and ordered the planning of increased activity in Vietnam.

JFK’s American University “Peace” Speech:


I will agree he was wishy washy at times when speaking with the press. Many have concluded that this was to appease the war hawks in the Pentagon and CIA.

 

[Picaro]

Why would the CIA kill JFK? Give me one good reason.

Kennedy was thinking of getting out of Vietnam?

That work?

No. Kennedy not only green lighted the Diem assassination in October '63, he increased U.S. presence there right up to two or three weeks before he was assassinated. He wouldn't have bothered with Diem if he intended to get out. The Kennedy family's PR machine began peddling that later on; it's just revisionism, as is the vast majority of the Camelot Myth. the fantasy that the CIA read one of his diary entries and plotted out an elaborate assassination schemes like the loons and cranks insist happened id prima facie ridiculous nonsense, even if they wanted to.

JFK was notoriously wishy washy and his diary entries mean nothing. His main concern with Diem is him and his brother were attempting to negotiate a unilateral peace deal with Ho, and Kennedy was afraid of how that would effect his rep as a McCarthyite 'anti-communist' in his upcoming re-election campaign is the far more likely reality as to why he had Diem done away with. No way JFK would have pulled out of VN, at least not until the end of his second term, anyway.

Not true.

Withdrawal from Vietnam (Oct. 11, 1963). JFK signs NSAM 263, an order to withdraw 1,000 troops out of roughly 16,000 Americans stationed in Vietnam by the end of 1963, with the complete withdrawal by the end of 1965.

Doesn't mean anything, since subsequent events obviously changed his mind; he okayed the Diem assassination after the date on the memorandum, and that assassination made escalation a necessity; since he was killed a couple of weeks after that, the escalation had to happen on Johnson's watch, which is why it's obvious that the Kennedy Legacy, like Lincoln's, would be a lot different if he hadn't been assassinated; the later PR spin shifted the 'blame' to LBJ

They believed it would be a short stay in VN, and of course they were wrong, and 'pulling out' in 1965 is merely their guess, not something etched in stone. As I also said he wasn't going to pull out until well into his second term if at all. Nothing in your post refutes what I said or the timeline of events.

People like to pretend the Kennedys weren't hard core Cold Warriors for some reason, despite the fact they were avid enthusiastic McCarthyites, both Booby and Jack.

 

[Picaro]

Note also this memorandum was based on a report by McNamara and Taylor on the situation. This is the McNamara that was constantly predicting imminent victory for the previous two years, and continued to distort the real picture after Kennedy as well, so even if it reflected real intent based on faulty info, it by no means proves Kennedy would have pulled out when the facts on the ground changed later, it's merely a memorandum based on having 'won' by 1965. IF we weren't 'winning' by then Kennedy wouldn't have pulled out, nor would he have subsequently green lighted an assassination for no apparent reason mere days later that guaranteed an escalation. It smacks of mere ass covering, actually.

Where are the memorandums subsequent to the one posted above?

Ah ...

Meetings on Vietnam: General, November 1963: 1-2 - John F. Kennedy Presidential Library & Museum

... they're mostly unavailable, except in 'sanitized' form like the above sample list. How convenient for the Camelot Myth, eh?

 

[Picaro]

I will agree he was wishy washy at times when speaking with the press. Many have concluded that this was to appease the war hawks in the Pentagon and CIA.

He was a hawk himself. The reason he was so wishy washy was the drugs and pain killers addling his thinking.

 

[gipper]

I will agree he was wishy washy at times when speaking with the press. Many have concluded that this was to appease the war hawks in the Pentagon and CIA.

He was a hawk himself. The reason he was so wishy washy was the drugs and pain killers addling his thinking.

He was a hawk before he was potus. That changed after bay of pigs. He was in secret negotiations with Kuschev to end the cold war...also secretly working with Castro. He knew Vietnam was a loser and he knew the Chiefs and CIA were lying to him. He sought peace and got his head blown off.

He certaintly was a druggy and womanizer.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

People just can't get over the fact that it was that easy to kill a President.
Many lefties like the conspiracy theory because they can't acknowledge that a lunatic leftist was responsible for the assassination.
All of the physical evidence pointed to Oswald being the shooter from that window. If he was doing it on behalf of the CIA they did a pretty shitty job. Why would they have him go after that General before hand? Why wouldn't they give him a better rifle and scope?

He was a batshit crazy leftist loon, that used his Marine training to murder JFK. And no, hitting a moving target at that distance isn't too difficult for someone that has experience.

this is a brainwashed troll who is in denial and afraid of the truth that he lives in a banana republic only seeing what he WANT TO SEE.He for sure isnt a paid shill like rightwinger.

this troll only sees what he WANTS to see because evertime i have shown pesky facts he cant deal with that there was no evidence oswald did it yet plenty of facts that prove there was a conspiracy,he runs off with his tail between his legs and just posts childish posts like this.just like rightwinger,he cant stand toe to toe in a debate.

He doesnt want to believe we live in a banana republic so he only sees what he wants to see like all brainwahsed sheep do who defend the warren commission.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

JFK's assassination is the event that turned liberals into the whacked out people they are today. And it suited their purpose to accuse shadowy government agencies for the assassination. No one wanted to hear the truth, which is that Oswald was a trained killer who defected to the Soviet Union and was sent back as a sleeper agent. That's why Jack Ruby was sent to kill Oswald, to silence him.

And, Jerry Ford, who was on the Warren commission, was rewarded for his part in covering up the plot, when he was appointed president. Squeaky Fromme was sent by Ted Kennedy to kill Ford in Sacramento, but he forgot to teach her how to cock the gun. Michael Jackson discovered the truth about the entire plot from Elvis's daughter. Elvis had gotten the truth from Nixon when he visited Nixon in the White House. When Michael Jackson threatened to go public with the information, he was killed by Tupac Shaker, who was assassinated himself by Robin Williams.

well you DID at LEAST get the first sentence right that Ford was rewarded POTUS for his part in the coverup on the warren commission so i give you that much for getting right.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Oswald had low self esteem and was looking to be a big shot. He previously tried to assasinate Gen Walker and failed. One day, he read in the paper that the JFK motorcade would go right by his window at work. So he brought his gun to work, fired three shots and blew JFKs brains out

If Oswald was working for anyone else, why would he use a $19.95 bolt action rifle? You think they could have set him up with a sniper rifle?

Jack Ruby was a low level thug who everyone considered to be a joke. He was at the Western Union Office at the announced time of Oswalds transfer. It was only because the transfer was delayed that Ruby was able to cross the street to the Police HQ. If Ruby had set out to kill Oswald, wouldn't he be on site at the announced time of transfer?

BS.

To think a US Marine who defected to the USSR, claiming to disclose intelligence to the commies...renounces his citizenship...then is allowed back in the USA without any problems at the height of the Cold War...had ties to many known CIA agents...then is magically working in a building on JFK's route...and magically the Secret Service does not pick him up beforehand or even properly lock down the route through Dallas....and on and on it goes.............

But you and many others continue to believe in statist fairy tales.

I know...the CIA is so crafty that they had Oswald working in that building before JFK even knew he was going to Dallas



.

That is the problem with small minded people. They can't logically analyze the totality of an event. They focus on individual parts and lacking intelligence, can't put all the parts together.

ryIt's your claim skippy.
You need to be held to the same standards you hold the Warren Commission

You claim the CIA placed Oswald in that building. I asked how could they place Oswald in that building months before JFK knew he was going to Dallas

Ball is in your court skippy

My poor deluded friend, Oswald was not working at the Texas Book Depository (TBD) 'months before' the shooting. He started Oct, 16th. At any rate, it matters not my uninformed friend. The presidents route was changed to make sure it passed the TBD.

And again you must look at the total event...not just one tidbit...and please stop posting because it is evident you know little about the event other than what the State has told you.

again this guy is a government paid shill.he knows the CIA killed him.


the hawk now he is a just a brainwashed idiot in denial afraid the truth only seeing what he wants to see who wont look at these facts you mentioned.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

People just can't get over the fact that it was that easy to kill a President.
Many lefties like the conspiracy theory because they can't acknowledge that a lunatic leftist was responsible for the assassination.
All of the physical evidence pointed to Oswald being the shooter from that window. If he was doing it on behalf of the CIA they did a pretty shitty job. Why would they have him go after that General before hand? Why wouldn't they give him a better rifle and scope?

He was a batshit crazy leftist loon, that used his Marine training to murder JFK. And no, hitting a moving target at that distance isn't too difficult for someone that has experience.

He was damn smart though -- smart enough to invent one bullet that would hang a right hang a left, stop and ponder in mid-air before deciding to go hit the guy in the front, plus another bullet that went ahead of the car, turned around and then hit from the front.

I mean that shit is brilliant. In 1963 he did this. The guy must have been fuckin' Nicola Tesla. Just never bothered to patent his work. Yeah that's it.

logic and common sense never register with magic bullet theorists.

they can only do this in defeat-

 

[LA RAM FAN]

People just can't get over the fact that it was that easy to kill a President.
Many lefties like the conspiracy theory because they can't acknowledge that a lunatic leftist was responsible for the assassination.
All of the physical evidence pointed to Oswald being the shooter from that window. If he was doing it on behalf of the CIA they did a pretty shitty job. Why would they have him go after that General before hand? Why wouldn't they give him a better rifle and scope?

He was a batshit crazy leftist loon, that used his Marine training to murder JFK. And no, hitting a moving target at that distance isn't too difficult for someone that has experience.

He was damn smart though -- smart enough to invent one bullet that would hang a right hang a left, stop and ponder in mid-air before deciding to go hit the guy in the front, plus another bullet that went ahead of the car, turned around and then hit from the front.

I mean that shit is brilliant. In 1963 he did this. The guy must have been fuckin' Nicola Tesla. Just never bothered to patent his work. Yeah that's it.

The "magic bullet" theory is just another invention by the loons to take blame off their fellow leftist loon Oswald.

"Magic bullet" totally debunked:

congrats demonstrating what a true a dumbfuck you are.

using computer generated graphics for your pathetic defense.

doctors,witness testimony and the ballistic evidence disproves your ramblings and proves what a stupid fuck you really are.

the fact that USMB's resident troll rightwinger agrees with you on this says it all about your credibility.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Nobody in the US government has been able to successfully keep a secret in the entire history of this nation.

No. Not true.

The State always keeps it's secrets...at least those that are damning to the State.

If you do your research on the murder, you will conclude it was a coup de'tat.

Research the murder and determine that it was a coup? Sorry, but I don't read "Prison Planet".

Good Lord another closed minded statist.

I don't read prison planet either. Many credible experts have written about the murder...you just don't know, because you WANT to believe the lie.

you nailed it.
yep these trolls WANT to believe the lie so they only see what they WANT to see.

 

[theHawk]

People just can't get over the fact that it was that easy to kill a President.
Many lefties like the conspiracy theory because they can't acknowledge that a lunatic leftist was responsible for the assassination.
All of the physical evidence pointed to Oswald being the shooter from that window. If he was doing it on behalf of the CIA they did a pretty shitty job. Why would they have him go after that General before hand? Why wouldn't they give him a better rifle and scope?

He was a batshit crazy leftist loon, that used his Marine training to murder JFK. And no, hitting a moving target at that distance isn't too difficult for someone that has experience.

Oswald was not lunatic leftist. If he were, he would not have been allowed in the TBD that day....the Secret Service or FBI would have picked him up prior to the event. He was a government agent controlled by the CIA.

It is not easy to kill a president, if the Secret Service does it's job. No president should be in an open car traveling very slowly past tall buildings with windows open...taking slow 90 degree turns...

I am about as far from a Leftist as you can get....Leftists like those in this thread, buy the lies of the State, as do many on the right.

Your proof that he was a CIA agent was that they didn't pick him up? Have you not seen how incompetent government is in tracking criminals in this day and age with everything digital and much easier to track? That era was long before computers and databases could track movements of threats like Oswald. What exactly were they supposed to pick him up for prior to his rampage?


He went after retired General Walker, a known anti-communist, in a botched assassination attempt. Does that sound like a stable CIA agent?
All of the evidence, including the testimony of those that knew him, clearly proved he was a leftist and communist. Does that sound like prime CIA agent material in the 1960's?

You're right, plent of rightwingers like to believe in conspiracy theories too. Mostly because they want to believe the government is the boogeyman.

 

[theHawk]

People just can't get over the fact that it was that easy to kill a President.
Many lefties like the conspiracy theory because they can't acknowledge that a lunatic leftist was responsible for the assassination.
All of the physical evidence pointed to Oswald being the shooter from that window. If he was doing it on behalf of the CIA they did a pretty shitty job. Why would they have him go after that General before hand? Why wouldn't they give him a better rifle and scope?

He was a batshit crazy leftist loon, that used his Marine training to murder JFK. And no, hitting a moving target at that distance isn't too difficult for someone that has experience.

He was damn smart though -- smart enough to invent one bullet that would hang a right hang a left, stop and ponder in mid-air before deciding to go hit the guy in the front, plus another bullet that went ahead of the car, turned around and then hit from the front.

I mean that shit is brilliant. In 1963 he did this. The guy must have been fuckin' Nicola Tesla. Just never bothered to patent his work. Yeah that's it.

The "magic bullet" theory is just another invention by the loons to take blame off their fellow leftist loon Oswald.

"Magic bullet" totally debunked:

congrats demonstrating what a true a dumbfuck you are.

using computer generated graphics for your pathetic defense.

doctors,witness testimony and the ballistic evidence disproves your ramblings and proves what a stupid fuck you really are.

the fact that USMB's resident troll rightwinger agrees with you on this says it all about your credibility.

You mean as opposed to your evidence, which is what again?

 

[LA RAM FAN]

People just can't get over the fact that it was that easy to kill a President.
Many lefties like the conspiracy theory because they can't acknowledge that a lunatic leftist was responsible for the assassination.
All of the physical evidence pointed to Oswald being the shooter from that window. If he was doing it on behalf of the CIA they did a pretty shitty job. Why would they have him go after that General before hand? Why wouldn't they give him a better rifle and scope?

He was a batshit crazy leftist loon, that used his Marine training to murder JFK. And no, hitting a moving target at that distance isn't too difficult for someone that has experience.

Oswald was not lunatic leftist. If he were, he would not have been allowed in the TBD that day....the Secret Service or FBI would have picked him up prior to the event. He was a government agent controlled by the CIA.

It is not easy to kill a president, if the Secret Service does it's job. No president should be in an open car traveling very slowly past tall buildings with windows open...taking slow 90 degree turns...

I am about as far from a Leftist as you can get....Leftists like those in this thread, buy the lies of the State, as do many on the right.

Your proof that he was a CIA agent was that they didn't pick him up? Have you not seen how incompetent government is in tracking criminals in this day and age with everything digital and much easier to track? That era was long before computers and databases could track movements of threats like Oswald. What exactly were they supposed to pick him up for prior to his rampage?


He went after retired General Walker, a known anti-communist, in a botched assassination attempt. Does that sound like a stable CIA agent?
All of the evidence, including the testimony of those that knew him, clearly proved he was a leftist and communist. Does that sound like prime CIA agent material in the 1960's?

You're right, plent of rightwingers like to believe in conspiracy theories too. Mostly because they want to believe the government is the boogeyman.

yeah conspircy theories like 19 muslins were behind the 9/11 attacks.

you dimiss them as boogeyman because pesky facts you cant deal with

you clearly only see what you want to see as we both know because you have played dodgeball with everything gipper has posted the way you keep running away from all the facts he has posted here denying reality he has taken you to school.

your so brainwashed and deluded you ignore that even the government concluded in the 70's with HSCA investigation the warren commission was wrong and there was a second shooter.how often do you want to keep showing off what an idiot you are?

 

[theHawk]

People just can't get over the fact that it was that easy to kill a President.
Many lefties like the conspiracy theory because they can't acknowledge that a lunatic leftist was responsible for the assassination.
All of the physical evidence pointed to Oswald being the shooter from that window. If he was doing it on behalf of the CIA they did a pretty shitty job. Why would they have him go after that General before hand? Why wouldn't they give him a better rifle and scope?

He was a batshit crazy leftist loon, that used his Marine training to murder JFK. And no, hitting a moving target at that distance isn't too difficult for someone that has experience.

Oswald was not lunatic leftist. If he were, he would not have been allowed in the TBD that day....the Secret Service or FBI would have picked him up prior to the event. He was a government agent controlled by the CIA.

It is not easy to kill a president, if the Secret Service does it's job. No president should be in an open car traveling very slowly past tall buildings with windows open...taking slow 90 degree turns...

I am about as far from a Leftist as you can get....Leftists like those in this thread, buy the lies of the State, as do many on the right.

Your proof that he was a CIA agent was that they didn't pick him up? Have you not seen how incompetent government is in tracking criminals in this day and age with everything digital and much easier to track? That era was long before computers and databases could track movements of threats like Oswald. What exactly were they supposed to pick him up for prior to his rampage?


He went after retired General Walker, a known anti-communist, in a botched assassination attempt. Does that sound like a stable CIA agent?
All of the evidence, including the testimony of those that knew him, clearly proved he was a leftist and communist. Does that sound like prime CIA agent material in the 1960's?

You're right, plent of rightwingers like to believe in conspiracy theories too. Mostly because they want to believe the government is the boogeyman.

yeah conspircy theories like 19 muslins were behind the 9/11 attacks.

you dimiss them as boogeyman because pesky facts you cant deal with

you clearly only see what you want to see as we both know because you have played dodgeball with everything gipper has posted you running away form all the facts he has posted here denying reality he has taken you to school.

In other words, you have no evidence.

Thanks for playing.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

People just can't get over the fact that it was that easy to kill a President.
Many lefties like the conspiracy theory because they can't acknowledge that a lunatic leftist was responsible for the assassination.
All of the physical evidence pointed to Oswald being the shooter from that window. If he was doing it on behalf of the CIA they did a pretty shitty job. Why would they have him go after that General before hand? Why wouldn't they give him a better rifle and scope?

He was a batshit crazy leftist loon, that used his Marine training to murder JFK. And no, hitting a moving target at that distance isn't too difficult for someone that has experience.

Oswald was not lunatic leftist. If he were, he would not have been allowed in the TBD that day....the Secret Service or FBI would have picked him up prior to the event. He was a government agent controlled by the CIA.

It is not easy to kill a president, if the Secret Service does it's job. No president should be in an open car traveling very slowly past tall buildings with windows open...taking slow 90 degree turns...

I am about as far from a Leftist as you can get....Leftists like those in this thread, buy the lies of the State, as do many on the right.

Your proof that he was a CIA agent was that they didn't pick him up? Have you not seen how incompetent government is in tracking criminals in this day and age with everything digital and much easier to track? That era was long before computers and databases could track movements of threats like Oswald. What exactly were they supposed to pick him up for prior to his rampage?


He went after retired General Walker, a known anti-communist, in a botched assassination attempt. Does that sound like a stable CIA agent?
All of the evidence, including the testimony of those that knew him, clearly proved he was a leftist and communist. Does that sound like prime CIA agent material in the 1960's?

You're right, plent of rightwingers like to believe in conspiracy theories too. Mostly because they want to believe the government is the boogeyman.

yeah conspircy theories like 19 muslins were behind the 9/11 attacks.

you dimiss them as boogeyman because pesky facts you cant deal with

you clearly only see what you want to see as we both know because you have played dodgeball with everything gipper has posted you running away form all the facts he has posted here denying reality he has taken you to school.

In other words, you have no evidence.

Thanks for playing.

yeah you have no evidence.

http://www.amazon.com/Plot-President-George-Robert-Blakey/dp/0812909291&tag=ff0d01-20

hey dipshit even the lead investigater of the HSCA investigation wrote a book on it that it was mob hit moron.

http://www.amazon.com/Plot-President-George-Robert-Blakey/dp/0812909291&tag=ff0d01-20
how much do your handlers pay you and rightwinger to troll these boards?