Open carry firearms.. Our 2nd amendment right!!

[Alvin]

I could stand right next to you and you would not know whether I was armed or not. Not seeing a weapon does not equate to unarmed. Under the circumstances, one would about have to assume the intruders were armed.

The law does not allow you to kill some one based on an assumption.

Break into my house while I am home and I can promise you that you will never break into another. And I could give a shit if you are armed or not. I am not about to give you the opportunity to take the first shot.

Which is why you need a gun. Not criticizing, just explaining why there are so few guns used for personal protection this side of the pond.
And clearing up some of the misconceptioins regarding the law on the subject here.

 

[Emma]

My state allows open carry. And I don't think they should have permits for concealed.

Do you mean no one should be allowed to conceal carry or everyone should be allowed to conceal carry?

I don't think it's any of the government's business if I carry a gun.

 

[Emma]

In the instance of Tony Martin, he shot an unarmed intruder, the court found that he used an unnecessary level of force, and charged him accordingly.

Sorry, but that's just insane.

 

[Alvin]

What? That you aren't allowed kill somone over a $100 DVD player or somesuch?
Seems to work fine though as criminals by and large don't carry guns because of it.

Every state in the US has a force matrix, that's what Self defence is judged by. For example, you can't MACE or Tase somone, then bludgeon them to death with a baseball bat. Thats murder. - Even in Texas.
Because at that point they no longer pose a threat so a plea of self defence falls on deaf ears.

Likewise if you shoot an unarmed person over here, you go to jail.

 

[Alvin]

My state allows open carry. And I don't think they should have permits for concealed.

Do you mean no one should be allowed to conceal carry or everyone should be allowed to conceal carry?

I don't think it's any of the government's business if I carry a gun.

Thats fine because you are a decent upstanding law abiding non insane person. However there are those that aren't. And isn't it better that someone is vetting those who carry guns?

 

[The Rabbi]

My state allows open carry. And I don't think they should have permits for concealed.

Do you mean no one should be allowed to conceal carry or everyone should be allowed to conceal carry?

I don't think it's any of the government's business if I carry a gun.

Thanks for clearing that up.
Aren't you supposed to be a leftist?

 

[The Rabbi]

Do you mean no one should be allowed to conceal carry or everyone should be allowed to conceal carry?

I don't think it's any of the government's business if I carry a gun.

Thats fine because you are a decent upstanding law abiding non insane person. However there are those that aren't. And isn't it better that someone is vetting those who carry guns?

Except no one is vetting criminals who, by definition, do not play by the rules. They only vet honest people who, by definition, don't really need vetting.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

right to open carry is a States Rights issue. The fed hasn't got any business sticking it's noses in State's business.

I disagree. If you were correct, then a state could just ban all guns... period. The 2nd recognizes and protects the right of the individual to bear arms. The 14th clearly incorporates the Federal protection onto the States ["No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."] I think a state needs to force SCOTUS to rule as such. Perhaps a very conservative, pro-gun state (AZ maybe? they have open carry... but they're on the 9th circuit. Maybe a state from the 10th) should pass an amendment banning all guns of any type. It will be overturned on appeal, and then the state can appeal to SCOTUS. Force the Court's hand to rule that the 14th indeed incorporated the 2nd.

There is a case like this pending in the Supreme Court already. I can't remember the name but it is against the city of Chicago, which in fact does outright ban handguns.

All you have to do is look at certain liberal states and see what sort of BANNED LISTS they have. Then look at the process for getting a pistol permit in NJ or NYC.

San Francisco has a hugely restrictive ban on guns. All States have to do is institute a qualification criteria that makes it nearly impossible for most of the citizenry to get a permit for a weapon and they have effectively banned all guns. I cite again...NYC.

 

[Emma]

Do you mean no one should be allowed to conceal carry or everyone should be allowed to conceal carry?

I don't think it's any of the government's business if I carry a gun.

Thanks for clearing that up.
Aren't you supposed to be a leftist?

I am. What's that got to do with anything?

 

[The Rabbi]

I don't think it's any of the government's business if I carry a gun.

Thanks for clearing that up.
Aren't you supposed to be a leftist?

I am. What's that got to do with anything?

Leftists generally oppose individual power and freedom in favor of state control.

 

[Emma]

Thanks for clearing that up.
Aren't you supposed to be a leftist?

I am. What's that got to do with anything?

Leftists generally oppose individual power and freedom in favor of state control.

For example ?

 

[The Rabbi]

I am. What's that got to do with anything?

Leftists generally oppose individual power and freedom in favor of state control.

For example ?

Firearms ownership. Social Security. Any law enacted to "protect the public."

Who were the biggest proponents of the Assault Weapons Ban?

 

[Alvin]

Leftists generally oppose individual power and freedom in favor of state control.

For example ?

Who were the biggest proponents of the Assault Weapons Ban?

Bhuddists.

Some of those feckers top 400lbs.

 

[Diuretic]

Thanks for clearing that up.
Aren't you supposed to be a leftist?

I am. What's that got to do with anything?

Leftists generally oppose individual power and freedom in favor of state control.

Sorry, your stereotype needs updating

 

[The Rabbi]

I am. What's that got to do with anything?

Leftists generally oppose individual power and freedom in favor of state control.

Sorry, your stereotype needs updating

Really? Who in Congress was responsible for the last AWB? It sure wasn't conservatives. Who is pushing "card check" to limit workers' ability to work without unions? Who is opposing free trade initiatives? Who is proposing to put law abiding people in jail for not buying a financial product?

 

[Diuretic]

Leftists generally oppose individual power and freedom in favor of state control.

Sorry, your stereotype needs updating

Really? Who in Congress was responsible for the last AWB? It sure wasn't conservatives. Who is pushing "card check" to limit workers' ability to work without unions? Who is opposing free trade initiatives? Who is proposing to put law abiding people in jail for not buying a financial product?

You said "Leftists". Now you're starting to sharpen your focus and that's good. You've apparently identified the Democratic Party which is right of centre and not "leftist". If you want to attack the Dems then go ahead, but realise they are not on the left. Over to you.

 

[The Rabbi]

So you're saying the party of Ted Kennedy is right of "centre." OK. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then.

 

[Alvin]

So you're saying the party of Ted Kennedy is right of "centre." OK. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then.

Depends what your basis for comparison is.

 

[Alvin]

I am obviously from Europe.
So to some I am obviously a "Euro-Socialist-limpwristed-latte-drinking-French-communist-Cindi-Sheehan(hey She's Irish)-loving-code-pink-supporter-never-stood-to-post-never-been-shot-at-has-no-idea-how-a-gun-works" Asshole.

So does that mean I have to give up my Maverick and BAP? If it does, then thank god I got rid of my SSG 69. That would have been a problem when the "Public Enforcers" came to take my guns away.....

Point is, be careful what you assume. People tend to be a shitload more complicated than you think.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Sorry, your stereotype needs updating

Really? Who in Congress was responsible for the last AWB? It sure wasn't conservatives. Who is pushing "card check" to limit workers' ability to work without unions? Who is opposing free trade initiatives? Who is proposing to put law abiding people in jail for not buying a financial product?

You said "Leftists". Now you're starting to sharpen your focus and that's good. You've apparently identified the Democratic Party which is right of centre and not "leftist". If you want to attack the Dems then go ahead, but realise they are not on the left. Over to you.

That's funny. I don't believe I have ever heard anyone claim that Democrats were right of center before.