One View of Environmentalism

Typical con trick. Find the most out-there types and make them out to be typical. While many of the things mentioned have happened from time to time, saying that those are mainstream opinions is FRAUD!!!

a. One spin-off of the Enlightenment was the desire to find new myths that would transcend daily existence and take one to a higher level of purification. Proto-fascist, and founder of ecology, Ernst Haeckel, invested nature-worship with the belief that all matter was alive and possessed mental attributes. In ‘monism,’ he brought together hostility to Christianity and propaganda for Darwinism, a nature cult and theories of hygiene and selective breeding. J.W. Burrow, “The Crisis of Reason: European Thought, 1848-1914,” p. 218-19

b. “In 1867 the German zoologist Ernst Haeckel coined the term 'ecology'
and began to establish it as a scientific discipline dedicated to studying
the interactions between organism and environment. Haeckel believed in nordic racial superiority, strenuously opposed race mixing and enthusiastically supported racial
eugenics. Haeckel contributed to that special variety of German
thought which served as the seed bed for National Socialism. He
became one of Germany's major ideologists for racism, nationalism
and imperialism…he fulminated in antisemitic tones…played a
key role in the establishment of the Nazi movement.” Eco Fascism / Fascist Ideology : the Green Wing of the Nazi Party and Its Historical Antecedents by Peter Staudenmaier


Has it every entered your consciousness that the other side may just be correct, and you have been misled by dogma and ideology...?

Try the Descarte menthod...

Hmmmm........ And all of that fancy philosphy and ideology cannot hide that fact that you are advocating shitting in the kitchen, PC.

For when we pollute our own environment, that is exactly what we are doing. Dress your advocacy of endless pollution in religion and Conservatism, ignore all medical and scientific facts concerning the human costs of the pollution.

But don't hide behind that Bible, PC, for Mammon is your God, not the Christ of the New Testement.
 
Typical con trick. Find the most out-there types and make them out to be typical. While many of the things mentioned have happened from time to time, saying that those are mainstream opinions is FRAUD!!!

a. One spin-off of the Enlightenment was the desire to find new myths that would transcend daily existence and take one to a higher level of purification. Proto-fascist, and founder of ecology, Ernst Haeckel, invested nature-worship with the belief that all matter was alive and possessed mental attributes. In ‘monism,’ he brought together hostility to Christianity and propaganda for Darwinism, a nature cult and theories of hygiene and selective breeding. J.W. Burrow, “The Crisis of Reason: European Thought, 1848-1914,” p. 218-19

b. “In 1867 the German zoologist Ernst Haeckel coined the term 'ecology'
and began to establish it as a scientific discipline dedicated to studying
the interactions between organism and environment. Haeckel believed in nordic racial superiority, strenuously opposed race mixing and enthusiastically supported racial
eugenics. Haeckel contributed to that special variety of German
thought which served as the seed bed for National Socialism. He
became one of Germany's major ideologists for racism, nationalism
and imperialism…he fulminated in antisemitic tones…played a
key role in the establishment of the Nazi movement.” Eco Fascism / Fascist Ideology : the Green Wing of the Nazi Party and Its Historical Antecedents by Peter Staudenmaier


Has it every entered your consciousness that the other side may just be correct, and you have been misled by dogma and ideology...?

Try the Descarte menthod...

Hmmmm........ And all of that fancy philosphy and ideology cannot hide that fact that you are advocating shitting in the kitchen, PC.

For when we pollute our own environment, that is exactly what we are doing. Dress your advocacy of endless pollution in religion and Conservatism, ignore all medical and scientific facts concerning the human costs of the pollution.

But don't hide behind that Bible, PC, for Mammon is your God, not the Christ of the New Testement.



"When we pollute our own environment" ^^^^:eek::eek::eek::eek::lol:


gEEZ.........HOW MANY MEETINGS DID THIS ASSHOLE MISS IN HIS FORMATIVE YEARS????????????????

And what do you suggest we do genius? Eat out own sh!t?

This is the new age k00k here folks.......loaths his own country and is a miserable SOB. An athiest fringe mental case who has about a million buddies or so out there. As much of a hipcrit as you can find too........dollar to a million stale donuts he'll be out tooting around in his gas powered car and putting out the trash like the rest of us, but count on being lectured s0ns. When he can post up pics of himself eating his own sh!t, maybe I'll take him seriously. In the meantime, his agenda is to make everybody else miserable like him.........to suck on a doubling of your electric bill.........$50 fees for entering cities if your car doesnt do 40 mpg.........mega taxes for paying for a green economy that is realistically 50 years off at least. Doesnt matter to these mental cases..............THEY WANT THE CAPITALIST and YOU MISERABLE.

The "human costs of pollution".:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Indeed there are asshole...........its called necessary tradeoffs in life in the industrial age. It is quite unavoidable..............in fact, it is 100% unavoidable. Sorry asshole. Id suggest taking some of your crack head pals and go form a colony someplace in the backwoods somewhere.........maybe in Irrelevantsville, Oregon for example......... because shit aint changing for a long long time. So you gotta hope for a fcukking time machine to either go waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back or waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay forward.
 
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LOL.............I must admit, I really do enjoy Saturday AM's on this site...........gives me a chance to romp on the k00ks for a spell before going out and working on my multi-fuel vehicle in my driveway: A 2003 305 hp Mustang GT...........burns rubber AND gas!!!

Damn I wish I lived in Oregon. Just for shits and giggles Id drive by Old Rocks place to do a 2 mintue smokey burnout..............maybe install a train horn and compressor underhood before I went up there. Could you see this asshole running out of his house yelling, "Noise Pollution!!!!!!!!!!!!". Even some pal k00ks gotta admit the thought is pretty fcukking hysterical!!!







This whole forum would be more aptly named MYTHOLOGY:lol:
 
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Who knows how long the garbage patch will last? 100 years? No one knows. But I can safely tell you that it will not last more than 200 years. That's how long it takes for the ultraviolet radiation from the sun to break down the plastics.


You're assuming we suddenly cease adding to it. In other words, you're assuming we heed the environmentalists.
The same goes for the oil. It's been around for several million years and there are natural seeps all over the world and the oceans have no problem dealing with the natural seeps. Thus it is pretty safe to assume that the oceans will have no problem dealing with the oil man introduced. It just takes time.

You don't seem to grasp scale. That a system, such as a human body, can handle certain levels of a thing, such as arsenic, does not mean it can handle an indefinite amount of acute exposure. If you don't grasp that, you're stupid. If you simply refuse to acknowledge it, then there is no point in humoring you.
For CO2 read the second law of thermodynamics which states that you can't get more energy from any particular process then you put in. Thus to generate CO2 derived global warming you must create a perpetual motion machine, which we know is impossible.

:eusa_eh:

Where did you ever pick up that version of things?
 
Typical con trick. Find the most out-there types and make them out to be typical. While many of the things mentioned have happened from time to time, saying that those are mainstream opinions is FRAUD!!!

a. One spin-off of the Enlightenment was the desire to find new myths that would transcend daily existence and take one to a higher level of purification. Proto-fascist, and founder of ecology, Ernst Haeckel, invested nature-worship with the belief that all matter was alive and possessed mental attributes. In ‘monism,’ he brought together hostility to Christianity and propaganda for Darwinism, a nature cult and theories of hygiene and selective breeding. J.W. Burrow, “The Crisis of Reason: European Thought, 1848-1914,” p. 218-19

b. “In 1867 the German zoologist Ernst Haeckel coined the term 'ecology'
and began to establish it as a scientific discipline dedicated to studying
the interactions between organism and environment. Haeckel believed in nordic racial superiority, strenuously opposed race mixing and enthusiastically supported racial
eugenics. Haeckel contributed to that special variety of German
thought which served as the seed bed for National Socialism. He
became one of Germany's major ideologists for racism, nationalism
and imperialism…he fulminated in antisemitic tones…played a
key role in the establishment of the Nazi movement.” Eco Fascism / Fascist Ideology : the Green Wing of the Nazi Party and Its Historical Antecedents by Peter Staudenmaier


Has it every entered your consciousness that the other side may just be correct, and you have been misled by dogma and ideology...?

Try the Descarte menthod...

Hmmmm........ And all of that fancy philosphy and ideology cannot hide that fact that you are advocating shitting in the kitchen, PC.

For when we pollute our own environment, that is exactly what we are doing. Dress your advocacy of endless pollution in religion and Conservatism, ignore all medical and scientific facts concerning the human costs of the pollution.

But don't hide behind that Bible, PC, for Mammon is your God, not the Christ of the New Testement.


I'm not sure why you feel it necessary to use the bible, as in "...don't hide behind that Bible..." and I certainly won't respond with the language you choose, Rocky, but with this idea: I don't think most folks are stupid, and if most were convinced of the 'sky is falling' philosophy that you regularly propound, liberal governments would not find it necessary to force it's program down the throats of the citizenry.

I believe that James Madison was correct: "Education is the true foundation of civil liberty."

You totalists always know what is best for the rest of us....not.

Goldberg hits the nail on the head, as follows:

"Environmentalism fulfills all requirements for generic fascism, including an overarching rationale for corporatist policies. It provides an atmosphere of crisis that must be maintained in order to circumvent conventional rules of experience, and encourages the integration of Hollywood, big business, and government to act under the moral equivalent of war!" Goldberg, “Liberal Fascism,” p.314
 
a. One spin-off of the enlightenment was the desire to find new myths that would transcend daily existence and take one to a higher level of purification. Proto-fascist, and founder of ecology, ernst haeckel, invested nature-worship with the belief that all matter was alive and possessed mental attributes. In ‘monism,’ he brought together hostility to christianity and propaganda for darwinism, a nature cult and theories of hygiene and selective breeding. J.w. Burrow, “the crisis of reason: European thought, 1848-1914,” p. 218-19

b. “in 1867 the german zoologist ernst haeckel coined the term 'ecology'
and began to establish it as a scientific discipline dedicated to studying
the interactions between organism and environment. Haeckel believed in nordic racial superiority, strenuously opposed race mixing and enthusiastically supported racial
eugenics. Haeckel contributed to that special variety of german
thought which served as the seed bed for national socialism. He
became one of germany's major ideologists for racism, nationalism
and imperialism…he fulminated in antisemitic tones…played a
key role in the establishment of the nazi movement.” eco fascism / fascist ideology : The green wing of the nazi party and its historical antecedents by peter staudenmaier


has it every entered your consciousness that the other side may just be correct, and you have been misled by dogma and ideology...?

Try the descarte menthod...

hmmmm........ And all of that fancy philosphy and ideology cannot hide that fact that you are advocating shitting in the kitchen, pc.

For when we pollute our own environment, that is exactly what we are doing. Dress your advocacy of endless pollution in religion and conservatism, ignore all medical and scientific facts concerning the human costs of the pollution.

But don't hide behind that bible, pc, for mammon is your god, not the christ of the new testement.



"when we pollute our own environment" ^^^^:eek::eek::eek::eek::lol:


Geez.........how many meetings did this asshole miss in his formative years????????????????

And what do you suggest we do genius? Eat out own sh!t?

This is the new age k00k here folks.......loaths his own country and is a miserable sob. An athiest fringe mental case who has about a million buddies or so out there. As much of a hipcrit as you can find too........dollar to a million stale donuts he'll be out tooting around in his gas powered car and putting out the trash like the rest of us, but count on being lectured s0ns. When he can post up pics of himself eating his own sh!t, maybe i'll take him seriously. In the meantime, his agenda is to make everybody else miserable like him.........to suck on a doubling of your electric bill.........$50 fees for entering cities if your car doesnt do 40 mpg.........mega taxes for paying for a green economy that is realistically 50 years off at least. Doesnt matter to these mental cases..............they want the capitalist and you miserable.

The "human costs of pollution".:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Indeed there are asshole...........its called necessary tradeoffs in life in the industrial age. It is quite unavoidable..............in fact, it is 100% unavoidable. Sorry asshole. Id suggest taking some of your crack head pals and go form a colony someplace in the backwoods somewhere.........maybe in irrelevantsville, oregon for example......... Because shit aint changing for a long long time. So you gotta hope for a fcukking time machine to either go waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back or waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay forward.
pi?
 
yes... telling companies they can't dump toxic waste in the local water supply anymore is fascism... makes perfect sense...

:rolleyes:


s0n..........let me get this straight.

You're talking about common sense and you got almost 13,000 posts in one year!!!!!


s0n............wtf:eek::eek:...........it screams "Im a hyperpartisan fringe k00k!!!"
 
Typical con trick. Find the most out-there types and make them out to be typical. While many of the things mentioned have happened from time to time, saying that those are mainstream opinions is FRAUD!!!

a. One spin-off of the Enlightenment was the desire to find new myths that would transcend daily existence and take one to a higher level of purification. Proto-fascist, and founder of ecology, Ernst Haeckel, invested nature-worship with the belief that all matter was alive and possessed mental attributes. In ‘monism,’ he brought together hostility to Christianity and propaganda for Darwinism, a nature cult and theories of hygiene and selective breeding. J.W. Burrow, “The Crisis of Reason: European Thought, 1848-1914,” p. 218-19

b. “In 1867 the German zoologist Ernst Haeckel coined the term 'ecology'
and began to establish it as a scientific discipline dedicated to studying
the interactions between organism and environment. Haeckel believed in nordic racial superiority, strenuously opposed race mixing and enthusiastically supported racial
eugenics. Haeckel contributed to that special variety of German
thought which served as the seed bed for National Socialism. He
became one of Germany's major ideologists for racism, nationalism
and imperialism…he fulminated in antisemitic tones…played a
key role in the establishment of the Nazi movement.” Eco Fascism / Fascist Ideology : the Green Wing of the Nazi Party and Its Historical Antecedents by Peter Staudenmaier


Has it every entered your consciousness that the other side may just be correct, and you have been misled by dogma and ideology...?

Try the Descarte menthod...

No, I don't think I've been mislead. I think you're trying to dispute my post by using the same logic as your original post, so go reread my response. I won't waste more time on this, if you're just going to be dishonest.
 
Typical con trick. Find the most out-there types and make them out to be typical. While many of the things mentioned have happened from time to time, saying that those are mainstream opinions is FRAUD!!!

a. One spin-off of the Enlightenment was the desire to find new myths that would transcend daily existence and take one to a higher level of purification. Proto-fascist, and founder of ecology, Ernst Haeckel, invested nature-worship with the belief that all matter was alive and possessed mental attributes. In ‘monism,’ he brought together hostility to Christianity and propaganda for Darwinism, a nature cult and theories of hygiene and selective breeding. J.W. Burrow, “The Crisis of Reason: European Thought, 1848-1914,” p. 218-19

b. “In 1867 the German zoologist Ernst Haeckel coined the term 'ecology'
and began to establish it as a scientific discipline dedicated to studying
the interactions between organism and environment. Haeckel believed in nordic racial superiority, strenuously opposed race mixing and enthusiastically supported racial
eugenics. Haeckel contributed to that special variety of German
thought which served as the seed bed for National Socialism. He
became one of Germany's major ideologists for racism, nationalism
and imperialism…he fulminated in antisemitic tones…played a
key role in the establishment of the Nazi movement.” Eco Fascism / Fascist Ideology : the Green Wing of the Nazi Party and Its Historical Antecedents by Peter Staudenmaier


Has it every entered your consciousness that the other side may just be correct, and you have been misled by dogma and ideology...?

Try the Descarte menthod...

No, I don't think I've been mislead. I think you're trying to dispute my post by using the same logic as your original post, so go reread my response. I won't waste more time on this, if you're just going to be dishonest.

Hey, sounds like a plan!

I'll do the same!
 
Who knows how long the garbage patch will last? 100 years? No one knows. But I can safely tell you that it will not last more than 200 years. That's how long it takes for the ultraviolet radiation from the sun to break down the plastics.


You're assuming we suddenly cease adding to it. In other words, you're assuming we heed the environmentalists.
The same goes for the oil. It's been around for several million years and there are natural seeps all over the world and the oceans have no problem dealing with the natural seeps. Thus it is pretty safe to assume that the oceans will have no problem dealing with the oil man introduced. It just takes time.

You don't seem to grasp scale. That a system, such as a human body, can handle certain levels of a thing, such as arsenic, does not mean it can handle an indefinite amount of acute exposure. If you don't grasp that, you're stupid. If you simply refuse to acknowledge it, then there is no point in humoring you.
For CO2 read the second law of thermodynamics which states that you can't get more energy from any particular process then you put in. Thus to generate CO2 derived global warming you must create a perpetual motion machine, which we know is impossible.

:eusa_eh:

Where did you ever pick up that version of things?



I am assuming that mankind will eventually figure out how not to be wasteful. In 200 years we will either be extinct or so far advanced technologically that it won't matter. Enviro nazis' (and I am using that term very carefully) are the only people who seem to think that mankind will be stagnant and there will be no advancement.

I grasp the scale quite nicely thank you. My business is in the business of cleaning up environmental disasters and I have (I would hazard a guess) far more experience of the damage that man can and has caused. The Earth has a definite carrying capacity for the amount of pollution it can process in a localised area. But, in geologic terms that is meaningless because eventually it all gets reprocessed.

You would no doubt howl at the moon if man had polluted the EArth with Plutonium and yet there is naturally occuring Plutonium in South Africa. Guess what it hasn't bothered anything. And it has been there for a few million year now.

And I picked up the science in science classes:lol::lol::lol: You might want to take a couple or three.
 
Oh boy. Another PC screed on science where she tells the rest of us how fucked up we all are.

You just knew it was going to be a dozie when it started out with this:

1. "Remarkably, in our modern world supposedly dominated by reason, primitive religions and paganism are enjoying a renaissance. The fastest growing religious category in America is witchcraft and paganism….One contributing factor to this trend is the rise in another cause célèbre of the intelligentsia: environmentalism.

Witches, pagans and environmentalists oh my!

Based on PC (admittedly absurd) logical leaps, I have a proposed solution.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g]YouTube - She's a witch![/ame]

Of course, the logic used in that scene is straight up professional ball compared to the Bush Leagues that PC is stuck in.

Yet more evasion. Not only are you a fool, but you're also a coward. Pitiful.

Can't you take a hint?

Go away, creep.


Weak, PC. Just weak.
 
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Radical environmentalism has indeed become a fanatical religion akin to some pagan cults. In this case the dieties to be worshiped are components of the Earth itself and all living things on it save one. The dieties must be served and sacrifices demanded to appease them.

The one that is seen as being the dark force is human kind. To such environmentalists, no living things on Earth are to be obliged to accommodate or coexist or adapt or sacrifice in any manner except for humankind that must not be allowed to encroach on any other.

And as all such 'religions' that become part of basic ideology, any who take the human's side over any other or who would benefit humankind at the risk or expense of any other must be squashed, discredited, or destroyed immediately.

The doctrine is pure. And it must not be contested.
 
More absurdity from PC, does it never stop. Calling something something else and then condemning it using the first something else as the example of the bad something else is really truly insane. Digest that. ;)


[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Merchants-Doubt-Handful-Scientists-Obscured/dp/1596916109/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8]Amazon.com: Merchants of Doubt: How a Handful of Scientists Obscured the Truth on Issues from Tobacco Smoke to Global Warming (9781596916104): Naomi Oreskes, Erik M. Conway: Books[/ame]


"The people the authors accuse in this carefully documented book are themselves scientists—mostly physicists, former cold warriors who now serve a conservative agenda, and vested interests like the tobacco industry. The authors name these scientists—all with powerful connections in government and the media—including Robert Jastrow, Frederick Seitz, and S. Fred Singer. Seven compelling chapters detail seven issues (acid rain, the dangers of smoking and secondhand smoke, the ozone hole, global warming, the Strategic Defense Initiative, and the banning of DDT) in which this group aimed to sow seeds of public doubt on matters of settled science. They did so by casting aspersions on the science and the scientists who produce it. Oreskes, a professor of history and science studies at UC–San Diego, and science writer Conway also emphasize how journalists and Internet bloggers uncritically repeat these charges. This book deserves serious attention for the lessons it provides about the misuse of science for political and commercial ends."
 
I am assuming that mankind will eventually figure out how not to be wasteful.

In other words, you're assuming you''l heed those you mock in this thread.

Enviro nazis' (and I am using that term very carefully) are the only people who seem to think that mankind will be stagnant and there will be no advancement.

Do show where they've made any such assertion
I grasp the scale quite nicely thank you. My business is in the business of cleaning up environmental disasters and I have (I would hazard a guess) far more experience of the damage that man can and has caused. The Earth has a definite carrying capacity for the amount of pollution it can process in a localised area. But, in geologic terms that is meaningless because eventually it all gets reprocessed.

In geological terms? You realize that humanity barely got here in ecological terms, right? How many species have we already driven to extinction? By the time pollution ceases to be a problem because 'it's nothing in geological terms', our species as we know it won't be around anyway.

And that's a reason to poison our water?
You would no doubt howl at the moon if man had polluted the EArth with Plutonium and yet there is naturally occuring Plutonium in South Africa. Guess what it hasn't bothered anything. And it has been there for a few million year now.

Right... so Nagasaki suffered no ill effects from acute expose to plutonium, right? Are you stupid, dishonest, or both?
 
More absurdity from PC, does it never stop. Calling something something else and then condemning it using the first something else as the example of the bad something else is really truly insane. Digest that. ;)


Amazon.com: Merchants of Doubt: How a Handful of Scientists Obscured the Truth on Issues from Tobacco Smoke to Global Warming (9781596916104): Naomi Oreskes, Erik M. Conway: Books

"The people the authors accuse in this carefully documented book are themselves scientists—mostly physicists, former cold warriors who now serve a conservative agenda, and vested interests like the tobacco industry. The authors name these scientists—all with powerful connections in government and the media—including Robert Jastrow, Frederick Seitz, and S. Fred Singer. Seven compelling chapters detail seven issues (acid rain, the dangers of smoking and secondhand smoke, the ozone hole, global warming, the Strategic Defense Initiative, and the banning of DDT) in which this group aimed to sow seeds of public doubt on matters of settled science. They did so by casting aspersions on the science and the scientists who produce it. Oreskes, a professor of history and science studies at UC–San Diego, and science writer Conway also emphasize how journalists and Internet bloggers uncritically repeat these charges. This book deserves serious attention for the lessons it provides about the misuse of science for political and commercial ends."

"More absurdity from PC, does it never stop..." If it were absurd, why didn't you ignore it, or assume that others would find it absurd?
Nah, I'm thinking that so much linked material frightens you...
Here comes another nightmare: Crichton nails it.


"There’s also a close resemblance between the environmental and biblical views of history, as the late novelist Michael Crichton pointed out in a widely reprinted speech. “Environmentalism is in fact a perfect twenty-first-century remapping of traditional Judeo-Christian beliefs and myths,” Crichton said. “There’s an initial Eden, a paradise, a state of grace and unity with nature, there’s a fall from grace into a state of pollution as a result of eating from the tree of knowledge, and as a result of our actions there is a judgment day coming for us all.” That judgment day currently assumes the form of various global-warming disasters that will happen unless we immediately perform still more rituals. Never mind that the science so urgently instructing us to reduce carbon emissions—thus hobbling economic growth and prosperity around the world—is so young, and so poorly understood, that it can’t explain why global warming seems to have stalled over the last decade. Far more persuasive is the argument from faith: we’d better repent, because the End is nigh.

Barack Obama doubtless tapped into environmentalists’ spiritual longings when he accepted the Democratic presidential nomination. “Generations from now,” he proclaimed, “we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on Earth.” Italics mine; grandiloquent prophecy his."
The Varieties of Liberal Enthusiasm by Benjamin A. Plotinsky, City Journal Spring 2010


Afraid that you guys with ADD might miss the crux, I bolded it for you. It's a religion.
 
Who knows how long the garbage patch will last? 100 years? No one knows. But I can safely tell you that it will not last more than 200 years. That's how long it takes for the ultraviolet radiation from the sun to break down the plastics.


You're assuming we suddenly cease adding to it. In other words, you're assuming we heed the environmentalists.


You don't seem to grasp scale. That a system, such as a human body, can handle certain levels of a thing, such as arsenic, does not mean it can handle an indefinite amount of acute exposure. If you don't grasp that, you're stupid. If you simply refuse to acknowledge it, then there is no point in humoring you.
For CO2 read the second law of thermodynamics which states that you can't get more energy from any particular process then you put in. Thus to generate CO2 derived global warming you must create a perpetual motion machine, which we know is impossible.

:eusa_eh:

Where did you ever pick up that version of things?



I am assuming that mankind will eventually figure out how not to be wasteful. In 200 years we will either be extinct or so far advanced technologically that it won't matter. Enviro nazis' (and I am using that term very carefully) are the only people who seem to think that mankind will be stagnant and there will be no advancement.

I grasp the scale quite nicely thank you. My business is in the business of cleaning up environmental disasters and I have (I would hazard a guess) far more experience of the damage that man can and has caused. The Earth has a definite carrying capacity for the amount of pollution it can process in a localised area. But, in geologic terms that is meaningless because eventually it all gets reprocessed.

You would no doubt howl at the moon if man had polluted the EArth with Plutonium and yet there is naturally occuring Plutonium in South Africa. Guess what it hasn't bothered anything. And it has been there for a few million year now.

And I picked up the science in science classes:lol::lol::lol: You might want to take a couple or three.


West bro.......your first paragraph above is beyond astute. 100% reasonable right?? This whole green movement is like trying to replace railroad ties with a screwdriver!! Of course its absurd..................

Thats when you realize this sh!t has nothing to do with the environment at all!!!:lol:
( although Im reasonably certain there are a number of mental cases on this forum who think that)
 
And yet the largest hole ever recorded in the ozone layer occured 30 years AFTER CFC 's were eliminated.


Did he claim CFCs were the only cause?

How long to CFCs take to break down?

What other factors effect the ozone layer?

Both of you please present your explanations.
The garbage patch is pretty impressive but it will eventually go away on it's own. And in the meantime it does little harm, but it certainly looks ugly.
Much of it is plastic, which is not biodegradable. How will it 'go away on its own', especially if we continue to add to it?How long will the damage last? there is still oil is Prince Edward Sound. Radiation, too goes away with time. Is Chernobyl, then not a bad thing we should avoid repeating?
Atmospheric CO2 doesn't matter. The climate operates independantly of CO2,,,read the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics (conservation of energy).
Please present your evidence rebutting the claims that C0^2 has an effect on heat retention and, in turn, climate.

The polar ice cap is fluctuating within natural limits. Lighten up Francis the sky is not falling.
Could you each present your arguments regarding the ice caps?

Don't bother him with the facts.

He works for the American Petroleum Institute.
 
Who knows how long the garbage patch will last? 100 years? No one knows. But I can safely tell you that it will not last more than 200 years. That's how long it takes for the ultraviolet radiation from the sun to break down the plastics.


You're assuming we suddenly cease adding to it. In other words, you're assuming we heed the environmentalists.


You don't seem to grasp scale. That a system, such as a human body, can handle certain levels of a thing, such as arsenic, does not mean it can handle an indefinite amount of acute exposure. If you don't grasp that, you're stupid. If you simply refuse to acknowledge it, then there is no point in humoring you.
For CO2 read the second law of thermodynamics which states that you can't get more energy from any particular process then you put in. Thus to generate CO2 derived global warming you must create a perpetual motion machine, which we know is impossible.

:eusa_eh:

Where did you ever pick up that version of things?



I am assuming that mankind will eventually figure out how not to be wasteful. In 200 years we will either be extinct or so far advanced technologically that it won't matter. Enviro nazis' (and I am using that term very carefully) are the only people who seem to think that mankind will be stagnant and there will be no advancement.

I grasp the scale quite nicely thank you. My business is in the business of cleaning up environmental disasters and I have (I would hazard a guess) far more experience of the damage that man can and has caused. The Earth has a definite carrying capacity for the amount of pollution it can process in a localised area. But, in geologic terms that is meaningless because eventually it all gets reprocessed.

We do not live in geological terms.

You would no doubt howl at the moon if man had polluted the EArth with Plutonium and yet there is naturally occuring Plutonium in South Africa. Guess what it hasn't bothered anything. And it has been there for a few million year now.

Yes, but well below the ground. Just another example of your bogus claims so ridiculous as to be a form of lying.Natural nuclear fission reactor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


And I picked up the science in science classes:lol::lol::lol: You might want to take a couple or three.

Well, I have taken more than a couple or three. Enough to spot phonies.
 

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