On Anti-Semitism...

[Saigon]

It's interesting to see Roudy and Rosie work so hard to prove the OP's theory correct.

 

[irosie91]

Apparently your perception of cause-n-effect is hopelessly skewed: Or that Gaza and the West Bank share no history of criminal abuse by--- or justifiable address against the Israeli government? And Lebanon you say??? What possible grudge could Lebanon have against the U.S..Israeli axis? "Intrigued"? is that a nice way of saying mindlessly confused?

your response makes no sense I am very clear on issues of cause and effect. Your query "are we to believe that an attack on the U.S. was the starting-point of history"?
borders on psychotic

what does your ------- in of criminal abuse by--- mean?


if you are referring to the history of the conflict in the middle east------you are referring to a very long history-----more than 2500 years of recorded history

Quite the contrary---your response is selectively parsed and completely void of any inclusive overview...kindly elaborate on your thesis that challenging the perception that history began with 9/11 "borders on psychotic"....when you have cleared that hurdle google "criminal abuse" and cross-refernce it with Israel...if the point doesn't immediately appear I'd conclude you are a lockstep Zionist

You claim that you "challenged the perception that history began with 9-11" is in itself psychotic since you made no such challenge----if you did just WHO were you challenging? I certainly did not make that bizarre claim As to your COUNT THE HITS game-----you are eimploying yet another childish islamo nazi technique --counting the number of hits proves nothing except lots of people have stuffed lots of crap into the net You have already demonstrated that you are a LOCKSTEP JIHADIST NAZI CUT THROAT ADULATOR

 

[SAYIT]

Irosie: (Hitler)

"he would never have accomplished so difficult a feat without the help of people of your ilk In fact he was very confident that he has enough support in the USA and in england to continue his program and he did His biggest obstacle was the brain drain-----all the jewish scientists either fled or died. Brain drain is a problem for your fascist heros of Iran too"

Irosie, the problem with many Jews on this board is seeing criticisms of Israeli policies as anti-Semitism, pure and simple.

My argument with American Jews is not a question of Ethnicity or Religion but one of Politics...Why should American Citizens be loyal to a foreign power? I mean my Uncles and Father fought the Fascists in their native Italy...

I understand the fear of the universal holocausts that have plagued Jews throughout history. That's why I support a peace to the renegotiated 67 borders, to allay that universal fear, perhaps a peace.

I really think Israel was re-created in a dangerous area. What is the alternative, waiting for War? I believe a peace will foster trade and acceptance, and relieve America’s constant war footing bankrupting us.
Its not about hate Rosie, I have never met A Jew I disliked. Its about American Patriotism...the land that has given this poor Sicilian immigrant many opportunities!

Sicilian? I grew up in a town with lots of WASP nazi types-----and in neighboring towns there was a Mafia presence but they cause no harm locally------nobody really knew who those dead bodies that FLOATED UP IN PARTS in the local river had been In any case my own family was among the first of the jewish families in town and we caused a bit of a stir by breathing oxygen yours would have probably never been allowed to buy a house even with a VA mortgage. Getting back to the MAFIA ------it developed in Sicily------do you know why? I will tell you-------it was a reaction against islamic control of that island I have noticed that sicilian culture is HIGHLY INFLUENCED by islamic culture not only in cuisine-------but in social attitudes ----even the attitude towards women is influenced by arab/muslim "culture" Lots of people were IRKED by Italians in my town------they called them WOPS or GREASERS considered the MAFIA to be the greatest scourge and every Italian a member -----------

When Kennedy ran for president ----they went wild--------he as not only PRO-POPE----he was also PRO MAFIA

oh peeballs -------you bring me back to my childhood ---btw---you are an anti semite
and you have an affinity to some foreign religion-----developed in the same place in which the MAFIA was born ------and the "legal system" ----to wit the JUSTINAN CODE----upon which the nuremburg laws were based Your people from your little Island have created a huge amount of crime in many major cities Even I know people who have relatives murdered by that SICILIAN group of immigrants. Is that anyway to TREAT YOUR BENEFACTORS?

Long ago----when I was a child----there appeared letters to the editor ----in local papers ------defending "the mafia"

Oh! Why do I answer this Rambling Rose the 'Ikooksie?' The Jewish Mafia was well established by the time Italians immigrated to America...Bugsy and Myer ring a bell?

Do you ever have anything but your ignorance and stupidity to share with this board?
"The Mafia emerged in New York's Lower East Side and other areas of the East Coast of the United States during the late 19th century following waves of Italian immigration, especially from Sicily."
American Mafia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[irosie91]

Sicilian? I grew up in a town with lots of WASP nazi types-----and in neighboring towns there was a Mafia presence but they cause no harm locally------nobody really knew who those dead bodies that FLOATED UP IN PARTS in the local river had been In any case my own family was among the first of the jewish families in town and we caused a bit of a stir by breathing oxygen yours would have probably never been allowed to buy a house even with a VA mortgage. Getting back to the MAFIA ------it developed in Sicily------do you know why? I will tell you-------it was a reaction against islamic control of that island I have noticed that sicilian culture is HIGHLY INFLUENCED by islamic culture not only in cuisine-------but in social attitudes ----even the attitude towards women is influenced by arab/muslim "culture" Lots of people were IRKED by Italians in my town------they called them WOPS or GREASERS considered the MAFIA to be the greatest scourge and every Italian a member -----------

When Kennedy ran for president ----they went wild--------he as not only PRO-POPE----he was also PRO MAFIA

oh peeballs -------you bring me back to my childhood ---btw---you are an anti semite
and you have an affinity to some foreign religion-----developed in the same place in which the MAFIA was born ------and the "legal system" ----to wit the JUSTINAN CODE----upon which the nuremburg laws were based Your people from your little Island have created a huge amount of crime in many major cities Even I know people who have relatives murdered by that SICILIAN group of immigrants. Is that anyway to TREAT YOUR BENEFACTORS?

Long ago----when I was a child----there appeared letters to the editor ----in local papers ------defending "the mafia"

Oh! Why do I answer this Rambling Rose the 'Ikooksie?' The Jewish Mafia was well established by the time Italians immigrated to America...Bugsy and Myer ring a bell?

Do you ever have anything but your ignorance and stupidity to share with this board?
"The Mafia emerged in New York's Lower East Side and other areas of the East Coast of the United States during the late 19th century following waves of Italian immigration, especially from Sicily."
American Mafia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Meet Peeballs a blast from the past he emerged from the kids who gathered on the corner to spit out the traditional libels used by his ancestors to justify the AUTO DA FE BONFIRES

 

[pbel]

Sicilian? I grew up in a town with lots of WASP nazi types-----and in neighboring towns there was a Mafia presence but they cause no harm locally------nobody really knew who those dead bodies that FLOATED UP IN PARTS in the local river had been In any case my own family was among the first of the jewish families in town and we caused a bit of a stir by breathing oxygen yours would have probably never been allowed to buy a house even with a VA mortgage. Getting back to the MAFIA ------it developed in Sicily------do you know why? I will tell you-------it was a reaction against islamic control of that island I have noticed that sicilian culture is HIGHLY INFLUENCED by islamic culture not only in cuisine-------but in social attitudes ----even the attitude towards women is influenced by arab/muslim "culture" Lots of people were IRKED by Italians in my town------they called them WOPS or GREASERS considered the MAFIA to be the greatest scourge and every Italian a member -----------

When Kennedy ran for president ----they went wild--------he as not only PRO-POPE----he was also PRO MAFIA

oh peeballs -------you bring me back to my childhood ---btw---you are an anti semite
and you have an affinity to some foreign religion-----developed in the same place in which the MAFIA was born ------and the "legal system" ----to wit the JUSTINAN CODE----upon which the nuremburg laws were based Your people from your little Island have created a huge amount of crime in many major cities Even I know people who have relatives murdered by that SICILIAN group of immigrants. Is that anyway to TREAT YOUR BENEFACTORS?

Long ago----when I was a child----there appeared letters to the editor ----in local papers ------defending "the mafia"

Oh! Why do I answer this Rambling Rose the 'Ikooksie?' The Jewish Mafia was well established by the time Italians immigrated to America...Bugsy and Myer ring a bell?

The Sniffer Says:
Do you ever have anything but your ignorance and stupidity to share with this board?
"The Mafia emerged in New York's Lower East Side and other areas of the East Coast of the United States during the late 19th century following waves of Italian immigration, especially from Sicily."
American Mafia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You have a keen Nose Sniffer....You're right...Jews were not part of the Siclian Mafia just plain criminals who were pushed aside by a smarter operators who used the Jews as puppets like they do today in Vegas.
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Meyer Lansky was instrumental in the creation of Las Vegas.
Jewish-American organized crime (sometimes called the Jewish Mob, Jewish Mafia, Kosher Mafia, or the Kosher Nostra[1]—a pun on Cosa Nostra), emerged during the late 19th and early 20th centuries. In the late 19th century in New York City, Monk Eastman operated a powerful Jewish gang that competed with Italian and Irish gangs, notably Paul Kelly's Five Points Gang, for control of New York's underworld.

In the early 1920s, stimulated by the economic opportunities of the Roaring Twenties and later, Prohibition, organized crime figures such as Arnold Rothstein were controlling a wide range of criminal enterprises. According to crime writer Leo Katcher, Rothstein "transformed organized crime from a thuggish activity by hoodlums into a big business, run like a corporation, with himself at the top."[2] Rothstein was allegedly responsible for fixing the 1919 World Series.[3]





Contents
[hide] 1 Origins and characteristics
2 History 2.1 19th Century – early 20th Century
2.2 Prohibition
2.3 After World War II
2.4 Late 20th Century to Present

3 Jewish-American organized crime and Israel
4 See also
5 References
6 Further reading
7 External links


[edit] Origins and characteristics

Jewish-American gangsters were involved in many different criminal activities, including murder, racketeering, bootlegging, prostitution[4] and narcotics. Their role was also significant in New York's burgeoning labor movement, especially the garment and trucking unions, as well as the poultry industry. Jewish organized crime was incompatible with the ethics of Judaism, fueled anti-Semitism and deeply concerned the Jewish community.[5] Jewish organized crime was used by anti-semites and anti-immigration supporters as arguments to bolster their agenda. Jewish gangs controlled portions of the Lower East Side and Brownsville in New York City,[6] and were also present in other major American cities.

Jewish American organized crime was a reflection of the ethnic succession among gangsters

 

[pbel]

Murder Inc.: Jewish Gangsters in America

Murder Inc.: Jewish Gangsters in America Similarto Murder Inc.: Jewish Gangsters in America

They were Jewish gangsters. They grew up going to synagogue and celebrating holidays and Sabbath, but as they got older, they were anything but orthodox.


The last Jewish gangster - New York Daily News

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Feb 25, 2012 ... Julius Bernstein was a relic of a different era: Raised in the Depression, a genuine World War II hero — and the last of New York's great Jewish ...


Amazon.com: The Rise and Fall of the Jewish Gangster in ...

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Fried, coauthor of Socialist Thought (Classic Returns, LJ 8/93), here "rescues the Jewish gangster from oblivion and traces the development of the Jewish ...



Jewish Gangsters - My Jewish Learning

Benjamin Cardozo, Jewish Justice - My Jewish Learning... - Similarto Jewish Gangsters - My Jewish Learning

Jewish gangsters rode organized crime out of the ghetto to a life of violence and crime.



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[docmauser1]

They were Jewish gangsters. They grew up going to synagogue and celebrating holidays and Sabbath, but as they got older, they were anything but orthodox. Feb 25, 2012 ... Julius Bernstein was a relic of a different era: Raised in the Depression, a genuine World War II hero — and the last of New York's great Jewish ...

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[Saigon]

One of the other interesting things about racists and especially the extreme right is how deeply offended these people can be by moderates.

I've found moderates often drive extremists far crazier than the people the extremists have learned to hate.

Thus I think one of the reason the term 'anti-semitism' 'Jew-hater' and 'Islamo Nazi (sic)' are thrown around so much is one way of the racists targetting moderates and centrists.

Certainly I can't think of much else that explains it.

I also wonder how much of the genuine anti-semitism we see here from Ariux, Sundowner et al is driven by the amount of anti-Arab racism present on the board. One group do tend to hunt out the other.

 

[Roudy]

One of the other interesting things about racists and especially the extreme right is how deeply offended these people can be by moderates.

I've found moderates often drive extremists far crazier than the people the extremists have learned to hate.

Thus I think one of the reason the term 'anti-semitism' 'Jew-hater' and 'Islamo Nazi (sic)' are thrown around so much is one way of the racists targetting moderates and centrists.

Certainly I can't think of much else that explains it.

I also wonder how much of the genuine anti-semitism we see here from Ariux, Sundowner et al is driven by the amount of anti-Arab racism present on the board. One group do tend to hunt out the other.

Yeah right, it's the Jews fault! You're just as bad as as they are.

 

[Saigon]

Roudy -

I don't think anti-semitism is the Jews fault, but I do wonder how much of the anti-semitism we see on this board is really just a response to the hate speech you and Rosie post.

Like tends to attract like, and extreme racism is likely to attract an extremely racist response.

It's a bit of a chicken-and-egg situation, but either way I am sure we would see less of one extreme if the other extreme wasn't present here.

 

[irosie91]

Anyone who has spent any time READING the writings of what can correctly called "arab propagandaists" and "zionist propagandaists" over the past 50 years ------and has decided that ----racism here produces racism there---could not possibly reach the conclusion that Saigon has which is 'arab racism is a consequence of 'jewish racism'-----to be brief-----Saigon expressed an opinion of "fact" that he knows to be a lie There is a mindset that would see "jewish racism" against arabs as a long standing issue------its basis can be found in the koran ------and is a principle of the creed Any person who rejects islam as the ONE TRUE RELIGION---or at the very least---UMMAH SUPREMACY does so out of baseless hatred --ie. "racism" Saigon's statements "make sense" if one accepts the principle as fact

 

[Saigon]

the conclusion that Saigon has which is 'arab racism is a consequence of 'jewish racism'-----to be brief-----Saigon expressed an opinion of "fact" that he knows to be a lie

I don't think we can know which came first - either in history or on this board - and likely one form of racism sprang into being a millisecond after the first curse was thrown from the other side.

My point is more that your racism invites anti-semitism, just as anti-semitism invites hatred directed towards Muslims. It's a loop of ignorance and intolerance. It does so both here and in the outside world.

What you have to ask yourself is - how does your racism help anything?

 

[irosie91]

Peeballs finally understands-----what he likes to refer to as the "jewish mafia" were really small time jewish criminals ---rejected by the jewish community---who sought comfort amongst the criminals of the MAFIA who were honored as PRINCES in the Sicilian community. When a criminal has the love and support of his own community---he is far safer and able to persist in criminal activites far longer----a fact which underlies the LONG persistence of the MAFIA and even the longevity of the Ardently WANTED OSAMA BIN LADEN

Bugsy knew where his bread was buttered

 

[MHunterB]

Saigon, I can agree with you in a very limited sense - but to even suggest that the moist extreme Jew-baiting posters on this board - the ones you've named - are 'reacting' is absolutely obscene.

Anyone who's read Hoffer's 'True Believer' could recognize them as such form their posts. Maybe you're not familiar with the vocabulary of 'racist' anti-Jewish hate as promoted by Matt Hale and other murderers?

While I acknowledge that MANY posters - Jewish or not - participate in 'anti-Arab racism' - I do NOT indulge in such. After all, not only are some of my close relatives Arabs (and not all Jewish ones - and yes, one can indeed be both, as one can be Israeli and Muslim!) - but 'Arabs' in general are Biblically my cousins. (No, I don't read my Bible literally)

There are plenty of 'other' posters - people who don't usually post in this section, and who aren't notably 'pro-Israel' or 'anti-Arab' who despise the verbal filth splattered all over these threads by those posters you've named. In fact, a fair number of the Muslim posters here have slammed those two. That suggests to me that your idea has little merit.

Let's not excuse the 'racist' attacks on Jews and Judaism as some 'reaction' to anything: IT IS NOT. It is the expression of a 'core belief' of a very sick mindset.

 

[SAYIT]

Peeballs finally understands-----what he likes to refer to as the "jewish mafia" were really small time jewish criminals ---rejected by the jewish community---who sought comfort amongst the criminals of the MAFIA who were honored as PRINCES in the Sicilian community. When a criminal has the love and support of his own community---he is far safer and able to persist in criminal activites far longer----a fact which underlies the LONG persistence of the MAFIA and even the longevity of the Ardently WANTED OSAMA BIN LADEN

Bugsy knew where his bread was buttered

Criminals who, contrary to PBrain's typically ignorant claim, came decades after the Mafia set up business here.

 

[Saigon]

Saigon, I can agree with you in a very limited sense - but to even suggest that the moist extreme Jew-baiting posters on this board - the ones you've named - are 'reacting' is absolutely obscene.

Anyone who's read Hoffer's 'True Believer' could recognize them as such form their posts. Maybe you're not familiar with the vocabulary of 'racist' anti-Jewish hate as promoted by Matt Hale and other murderers?

While I acknowledge that MANY posters - Jewish or not - participate in 'anti-Arab racism' - I do NOT indulge in such. After all, not only are some of my close relatives Arabs (and not all Jewish ones - and yes, one can indeed be both, as one can be Israeli and Muslim!) - but 'Arabs' in general are Biblically my cousins. (No, I don't read my Bible literally)

There are plenty of 'other' posters - people who don't usually post in this section, and who aren't notably 'pro-Israel' or 'anti-Arab' who despise the verbal filth splattered all over these threads by those posters you've named. In fact, a fair number of the Muslim posters here have slammed those two. That suggests to me that your idea has little merit.

Let's not excuse the 'racist' attacks on Jews and Judaism as some 'reaction' to anything: IT IS NOT. It is the expression of a 'core belief' of a very sick mindset.

I totally agree that it is a very sick mindset - but sick on both sides.

I find it quite hard to distinguish between the racists here of either persuasion - the posts all start to look the same after a while. It's terribly repetitive.

I also think we are talking about a small number of posters - maybe three or four who are openly anti-semitic and three or four who are openly anti-Muslim.

Most of the other posters here may be biased one way or the other, but only to an extent which is rational and is in no way actually racist. I like that the debate can be robust, but still kind of constructive and balanced.

I've just got a little tired of the lunatic fringe here the past week or so.

 

[irosie91]

the conclusion that Saigon has which is 'arab racism is a consequence of 'jewish racism'-----to be brief-----Saigon expressed an opinion of "fact" that he knows to be a lie

I don't think we can know which came first - either in history or on this board - and likely one form of racism sprang into being a millisecond after the first curse was thrown from the other side.

My point is more that your racism invites anti-semitism, just as anti-semitism invites hatred directed towards Muslims. It's a loop of ignorance and intolerance. It does so both here and in the outside world.

What you have to ask yourself is - how does your racism help anything?

You have cited a VERY INTERESTING POINT -----from my own experience working with muslims arab, iranian, southeast asian ----I LEARNED that culturally-----expressions of UTTER DISDAIN and HATRED ---directed at the 'other' are EXTREMELY
prevalent in the normal every day conversation. The verbal expressions
are used as if they are a MAGICAL WAY to diminish the "other" and win supremacy.
I believe that the issue of HARSH LANGUAGE AS A WEAPON is the basis for
"BLASPHEMY" as a capital crime in shariah law My early observations that led me
to these conclusions, were not interactions between jews and muslims-----in fact they
were the interactions between HINDUS AND MUSLIMS-----for several years. Also,
to a limited degree to interactons between muslims and other groups of muslims

I have also noted ---over time and in history----the DENIGRATION OF SYMBOL
as a weapon employed in islamic rivalries Long before the destruction of the
Buddhist Statuary----it was clear to me that VICTORY by knocking down structures of the 'other" is a big issue for muslims

The recent grafitti on a church issue is a very good example---- the collected anti semitic grafitti historically drawn on synagogues or the homes of books ---if collected
and catalogued could fill a foot ball stadium and if found even in my town or on my own
walls or on the local synagogues is an utter non issue -----but IRAN which itself produces anti jewish cartoons ----- HAS RISEN UP TO PROTEST THE GREAT ATROCITY OF SOME SCRAWLED AND SILLY COMMENT to wit "jesus is a monkey"
AS IF SUCH A DEED IS EARTH SHATTERING. In fact----even the people on this board who I call "islamo nazis" have exploited this non event Racism is characterize by "a slanted" viewpoint The elevation of the grafitti issue to ATROCITY AND BLASPHEMY is an obvious example of EXTREME RACISM

Last summer ---on a different board---a woman I consider to be an anti-semite by who vigriously denied it------regularly mislabeled thread An example---a report of use of a torch to SCORCH some grafitti on a stone wall of a mosque----she labeled "JEWS BURN DOWN MOSQUE she also labeled a case of a burning tire placed near a mosque in the same manner. Last year---in tunisia, a 2500 year old synagogue along with the ancient manuscripts was completely destroyed and the rabbi murdered. I repeatedly asked her to comment on the incident and although she did see my posts -----she simply refused to respond. HER BEHAVIOR IS RACIST Evaluating some of unknown origin as some HUGE ATROCITY COMITTED BY JEWS ----so HUGE that heads of states are commenting ------is RACISM IN THE EXTREME

 

[Saigon]

from my own experience working with muslims arab, iranian, southeast asian ----I LEARNED that culturally-----expressions of UTTER DISDAIN and HATRED ---directed at the 'other' are EXTREMELY
prevalent in the normal every day conversation.

I agree with this.

I find many Middle Eastern peoples very in-your-face, very aggresive and confrontational - though actually rarely overtly abusive. It's clearly a cultural thing.

That does mean when we are in those countries we need to expect communication that is more intense than what we are used to - although I don't attempt to be as confrontational as Israelis, Turks or Egyptians can be!

But abuse is a different thing, and this forum is not in the Middle East.

I would really suggest you drop the racial abuse (i.e. pig this, pig that) and focus instead more on expressing your opinions and thoughts without it.

 

[irosie91]

from my own experience working with muslims arab, iranian, southeast asian ----I LEARNED that culturally-----expressions of UTTER DISDAIN and HATRED ---directed at the 'other' are EXTREMELY
prevalent in the normal every day conversation.

I agree with this.

I find many Middle Eastern peoples very in-your-face, very aggresive and confrontational - though actually rarely overtly abusive. It's clearly a cultural thing.

That does mean when we are in those countries we need to expect communication that is more intense than what we are used to - although I don't attempt to be as confrontational as Israelis, Turks or Egyptians can be!


But abuse is a different thing, and this forum is not in the Middle East.

I would really suggest you drop the racial abuse (i.e. pig this, pig that) and focus instead more on expressing your opinions and thoughts without it.

You are trivializing the VERY REAL ABUSE simply because it is not directed at YOU
The style of communication ---of course---remains INTENSE---even when the communicants are not actually "rivals"------but that "intensity" is actually abusive when the object of discussion is the other. One of the first words I learned in arabic was PIG (kanzeer or kanzeera) another is "khalb" need I go on? I was not yet 20 when I first encountered the flamboyant islamic cultural style of communication.
Based on my physical appearance and the place I was working-----it was logical that I be considered "a young christian female" Very quickly, I learned if I want to know what muslims say or think about jews-----I would BE A CHRISTIAN If I wanted to know what muslims say or think about christians ---I would BE A JEW to learn what muslims say or think of hindus----I was a taciturn LISTENER I found it very amusing that so many assumed that as a JEW I would hate hindus because of their polytheism------in fact----to know what muslims thought of hindus at that time----I did do my I AM A JEW thing but I am not sure that would work now. Since that time----muslims have been flirting with christians with the "WE HONOR JESUS" line Long ago when I was young------jesus was an object of semi-scorn as in "TURN THE CHEEK? NOT US" since Jesus was a muslim----it is obvious he would reject that idea completely

 

[Roudy]

the conclusion that Saigon has which is 'arab racism is a consequence of 'jewish racism'-----to be brief-----Saigon expressed an opinion of "fact" that he knows to be a lie

I don't think we can know which came first - either in history or on this board - and likely one form of racism sprang into being a millisecond after the first curse was thrown from the other side.

My point is more that your racism invites anti-semitism, just as anti-semitism invites hatred directed towards Muslims. It's a loop of ignorance and intolerance. It does so both here and in the outside world.

What you have to ask yourself is - how does your racism help anything?

Saigon, you piece of shit coksucker, Stormfront regular, why do always have something to say when Jews respond to anti semitism? You're no different than the neo Nazis out there that claim that "the Jews declared war against Germany and left the Germans no choice". Do you really think anybody believes ignorant garbage like you or Ariux come here on a daily basis to "discuss issues", or, perhaps it's because you're Jew hating scum? Well in your case you disguise your Jew hate as an anti Zionist who gets really really upset when Jews humiliate fellow racists like Ariux, and try to point the finger at the Jew.