OMG! Our President Lied!

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    Two points right from the get-go:

    First, the campaign was about “HOPE and CHANGE,” but the Obama supporters on the board are all over the fall back position “so he lies, he’s (just) a politician, what do you expect.”

    And, as I read the transcript of the ‘press conference,’ I find untruths. If the Healthcare Plan was so great, why would the President have to lie to get it accepted?

    1. THE FACTS: In House legislation, a commission appointed by the government would determine what is and isn't covered by insurance plans offered in a new purchasing pool, including a plan sponsored by the government. The bill also holds out the possibility that, over time, those standards could be imposed on all private insurance plans, not just the ones in the pool. …reform that plainly show the government making key decisions in health care.

    2. every dollar increase in cost is met with a dollar of new revenue or a dollar of savings. But some things are more neutral than others. White House Budget Director Peter Orszag told reporters this week that the promise does not apply to proposed spending of about $245 billion over the next decade to increase fees for doctors serving Medicare patients. Democrats and the Obama administration argue that the extra payment, designed to prevent a scheduled cut of about 21 percent in doctor fees
    http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/07/22/us/politics/AP-US-Obama-Fact-Check.html


    3. “It will keep government out of health care decisions…’
    The truth: “ In March, President Obama appointed Dr. David Blumenthal to head the system of computer-guided medical care as the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology. Just days later, Dr. Blumenthal settled a debate on whether the system will control doctors' treatment decisions. In an article in the New England Journal of Medicine (April 9, 2009), Dr. Blumenthal stressed that the real importance of computers is to deliver "embedded clinical decision support," a euphemism for computers telling doctors what to do. Dr. Blumenthal's latest article corrects CNN's Elizabeth Cohen and FactCheck.org's Lori Robertson, who insisted incorrectly that nothing in the stimulus legislation indicated "the government is going to tell your doctor what to do."
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    4. “It will limit the amount your insurance company can force you to pay for your medical costs out of your own pocket.”
    The truth: . Still, it remains to be seen whether certain drugs or procedures wouldn’t be denied to customers under a public plan as well. In fact, the criticism from conservatives has been that a public plan would be stingy in what it would cover in an effort to control costs. We can’t predict the future, but we find it unlikely that at least some denials wouldn’t take place no matter who is issuing insurance.
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    5. “And it will cover preventive care, like check-ups and mammograms, that save lives and money”
    The truth: “Prevention instead of treatment? Nancy-Ann De Parle, director of the White House Office of Health Reform, said on March 23 that "we have to get to a system of keeping people well, rather than treating the sickness." That would make sense if all disease were behavior-related, but many cancers and other diseases are linked to genetics or unknown causes. De Parle's pronouncement echoes how Sir Michael Rawlins, a British health official, explains his nation's low cancer survival rates. The British National Health Service, he said, has to be fair to all patients, "not just the patients with macular degeneration or breast cancer or renal cancer. If we spend a lot of money on a few patients, we have less money to spend on everyone else. We are not trying to be unkind or cruel. We are trying to look after everybody."
    This approach is deadly for those with serious illness. In the U.S., about 5 percent of the populace needs 50 percent of treatment dollars. The drumbeat for shifting resources from treatments to prevention should worry any family dealing with M.S., Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, or cerebral palsy, or with a history of cancer.”
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    6. “Overall our proposals will improve the quality of care for our seniors and save them…”
    The truth: . Dr. Emanuel also blames high U.S. spending on standards Americans take for granted. "Hospital rooms in the United States offer more privacy...physicians' offices are typically more conveniently located and have parking nearby and more attractive waiting rooms." (Journal of the American Medical Association, June 18, 2008.)
    By far, the most dangerous misconception in Washington is that the way to rein in health spending is by slowing the development and use of new technology. Imagine any industry or nation thriving on such a philosophy. Dr. Emanuel criticizes Americans for being "enamored with technology."
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    Yeah! What she said!

    Well done, PC.

    Anne Marie
     
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    Did you expect anything else but lies out of this idiot?
     
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    What? No change???
     
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    Idiot. Wow, that's quite an insult there.

    Consider the definition of "idiot", from Merriam-Webster dictionary:

    1usually offensive : a person affected with extreme mental retardation
    2: a foolish or stupid person
    — idiot adjective

    A JD from Harvard. That is not a degree that an "idiot" typically achieves.

    So am I to assume that you all don't believe that healthcare reform is a necessity? Do you believe that healthcare is just fine the way that it is? Do any of you work in healthcare?

    Consider this: I have a family memeber that has three children. She makes around $13/hour. Because of those massive wages (and she has a college degree by the way) she does not qualify for medicaid. And, if she decides to take the benefits from her place of employment, she will not be able to survive. So, it comes down to.....does she want to eat, or does she want to get that CT scan that she needs.

    It was recently discovered that she has scar tissue on her spleen. Who knows what the heck is causing it, and guess what....she cannot afford to get another CT scan because she is uninsured.

    She works 50+ hours per week, and chooses not to be a welfare mom.

    So what do you people think? It's her fault? She is just SOL? Perhaps I am misinterpreting what you are trying to convey, but it sounds pretty cold-hearted to me.
     
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    So if you are healthy, and have the Cadillac of insurance plans....and you will be able to keep them; what is the issue? If you've been fortunate enough not to be born with a congenital heart defect, diagnosed with diabetes, any kind of heart disease, arthritis, cancer, hypertension, autoimmune disorder; and you're able to keep your current plan, then what is the problem? Is it the possibilty that your premiums may go up? If you can afford it, what is the problem?

    I have hypertension, anemia, a heart murmur, hearing loss....if I were to lose my insurance tomorrow, I would be in trouble. My gross income is way above medicaid criteria, and there is no way that any insurance company is going to cover me with all of my pre-existing conditions.

    So at that point, I would have 2 choices. I could just go on about life, and pray to God that I don't get sick, because I would never be able to afford my scripts without insurance. Or, I could just quit my job, file for disability, get on medicaid, and you would end up paying for me anyway.

    Please help me understand why you all are so against this.
     
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    Or Obamacare gets passed, you wait six months to see a doctor and the treatment you need gets denied because it's not economically viable. Sooper dooper solution......
     
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    Well, I'm trying to wrap my head around all the statistics that say that Canada and UK's healthcare is far superior to ours. I work in healthcare, so I would like to see it get better. If we rank 37th in healthcare quality, and we're the wealthiest and most powerful nation on earth....what is the cause of that?
     
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    Wait. I thought the Messiah was incapable of lying.
     
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    Jesus Christ, those lies have been debunked 100 times already newb ........:cuckoo:
     

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