Ok, now that we all know Obama is going to win

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    What next? What does he have to do, to get the US on the map again.Seriously - a lot of us now - as of the financial meltdown - are looking at the US as Thailand, or Mozambique..just another 3rd world country.

    note: conservatives - please don't spam this thread. I'm serious. Ya'll know Obama is your next pres. What next?
     
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    He will destroy what is left of our economy. He plans to INCREASE taxes on Business and citizens alike in a recession. He will drive what companies can leave out and bankrupt even more.

    He plans trillions in new entitlement programs with NO plan on how to pay for any of it, except a fantasy claim he will root out programs we don't need and cancel them ( hate to break it to you but Congress, not the President start and stop programs) as if Democrats have EVER cut any spending except defense.

    He wants to illegally create universal health care run by the Government, a power the Federal Government does NOT have. And with no plan on how he will pay for it.

    He is going to destroy jobs with a claim that some how by some miracle we will suddenly get millions of " green" jobs created.
     
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    He's got a hard row to hoe, that's for damned sure.

    His treasury is bankrupt, his people aren't working to their fullest capacities, his nation is mired in to land wars in Asia, the national debt is absurdly high, and the economy worldw-wide is fibrilating.

    He is NOT in a postion to radically change the fundamental economic problems which the Republicans and Democrats have BOTH been responsible for over the last thirty years, either.

    If he attempts to fix health care now as he calims he wants to, he will make a collasal mistake.

    If he doesn't find some way to keep money ONSHORE, and he goes forward with his tax increases on the superwealthy, he'll actually exacerbate the liquidity crises we're currently facing as more and more money migrates offshore to protect it from taxation.

    Plus, the American currency is crapping out because of the 11.3 TRILLION dollar debt we have.

    I really have very low expectations from the Obama administration, candidly

    I'm not voting for him, not because of what I expect him to fix, but because of what I expect McCain would make worse.

    POTUS's are not dictators.

    They still have to count of Congress to write and pass legislation, and the fundamental mistakes Congress has made (and now the FED have made, too) make his future administration not one likely to actually solve any of these enormous problems.
     
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    I think we need to help finalize the deal in the Iraqi parliament right now of getting US troops out of Afghanistan much quicker than 2011. We need to withdraw one brigade a month.

    Since there is also urgency in talking to Iran, Obama should hold high level meetings with Iran on getting them to disarm their nuclear facilities. Iran has said they'd be willing to do it for a price. If we can avoid World War 3, that would be nice. We need to make it clear to Iran, though that the US will not only lift the sanctions against Iran if they oust ahmadinejad, but we'll restore diplomatic relations and help them. He's up for election next year I think.

    We have to negotiate with the Taliban on turning against Al Queda and allowing them to have power-sharing capabilities in Afghanistan in exchange for them helping us destroy Al Queda in Afghanistan.

    Obama also has to push through Congress a littany of economic recovery acts to help this economy get back on its feet. Moratorium on home foreclosers, working with the banks to get rid of all of the bad debt hurting the market... we need to get this economy back up and running so that by the end of the first year of Obama's term, we are out a recession.

    Obama then must host direct talks between Israel and Syria who have been negotiating for a little over a year now on how to achieve peace. In this deal, Israel and Syria share the Golan Heights, but it remains under Israel's control.

    Lastly, Obama needs to address the fake-people problem... the "Palestinians" (I put that in quotes because a 'Palestinian is an Israeli.. the Arabs you see there are just Arabs... there is nothing different about them than there are other Arabs) can have part of the West Bank, but not all of it. Then, you group together a multi-national military alliance and you wipe Gaza and Hezbollah off of the map. You wait for United Nations security council approval.

    The next president is going to have to deal with Pakistan... honestly, I work something out with the Prime Minister of Pakistan and have him declare martial law and ask for international help in dealing with the terrorists. We put together, again, a multi-national force and wipe the terrorists off of the face of the map.

    We cancel a missile defense deal with Poland and the Ukraine. It's absolutely idiotic.

    We invest in clean coal, biofuels, amazing alternative energies and tell corporations that setup to get ourselves off of foreign oil that they will be 100% completely tax exempt.

    We invest billions of dollars in stem cell research.

    We double the budget for education and improve our education system 10-fold.
     
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    We increased taxes during the 91 recession and none of the above happened. Might I suggest you have no clue as to what you are talking about!
     
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    What next is...we will see. It took a long time to create the mess we now have. It is unrealistic to think it will be fixed over night or even in the next 4 years. At least Obama will be a creative thinker who will work the problem instead of cutting more taxes on the wealthy elite and pretending everything is ok...
     
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    It's a two way street. I realize that allies (plus the rest of the world, and 70% of america) thinks Bush is a joke and nobody listens to his foolishness anymore.

    Obama and the allies will have to work cooperatively. Which is something Bush could never do.

    Iraq, obviously needs a responsible withdrawl plan, in concert with the remaining allies there. BushCo just adopted Obama's withdrawl plan, and will be pulling out by 2011, so in spite of all the whining about "timetables", that seem to be shaping up.

    Climate change: Hopefully the climate change denialists like Sarah Palin will be escorted to the back of the bus. So, there's an opportunity for Obama and other countries to work substantively on reasonable solution.

    We're going to have to go back to the pre-bush days of talking to adversaries and engaging in diplomacy. I think Obama, in concert with allies, will engage Iran and not only make serious attempts to open their nuclear program to more rigourous inspection, but will hopefully explore areas of mutual interest. The shia are not exactly big fans of sunni extremists like al qaeda.

    Torture and human rights: hopefully Obama will end the series of Bush war crimes that include torture and Gitmo. I doubt Obama will be Nelson Mandela, he too much of a centrist Democrat for that, but the flagrant abuse of international law and basic human decency might be reigned in.

    On balance, hopefully there's an opportunity to return to the cooperative multilateralism that was practiced by all post-WWII president prior to Dumbya.
     
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    So you are saying he will continue the Bush legacy?:lol::cuckoo::eusa_whistle:
     
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    Why post this, your going to jinx the whole fucking election. Did you see the Redsox - rays game the other night, its not over until its over and no Dem candidate had received more than 50.8% of the vote, relax and lets see what happens before we get too excited.
     
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