Of Trump or Obama WHO has created more jobs???

[nat4900]

Trump had done more good for America in 30 months than Obama could have done in 30 years

....and that kool-aid he offers to his cult base is mighty powerful, don't you think?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Trump had done more good for America in 30 months than Obama could have done in 30 years

....and that kool-aid he offers to his cult base is mighty powerful, don't you think?

Well, it's not "Hope and Change" flavored, that's for sure.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Obama, the not so shovel ready President

 

[HaShev]

Trump has been in "office" for 30 months, so compare how many jobs have been created in the first 30 months in office between these 2 presidents???

Its time to review one's cultist mentality with a strong dose of reality......

Wrong the numbers were given to you by known liars and fake news:
Example you just said 30 months which is false, the close numbers given by fake news was Obama in 3+years (cherry picked) and
Trump 2 1/2 years.
Furthermore your logic fails to notice that you are playing 2 sides of an argument, if Obama's job creation was so robust, then why did Trump match and will surpass it? If everyone's working in Obama terms, then job creation is harder to create, in bashing Bush you give Obama credit for creating obvious jobs dead cat bouncing off a recession from soldiers coming home etc which is not as hard as creating from what you are deluded into saying was robust employment.
Hence you want it both ways.
You needed fake news about numbers, because you can't beat
the low unemployment percentages.
*Epic failed argument*

 

[IM2]

Trump has been in "office" for 30 months, so compare how many jobs have been created in the first 30 months in office between these 2 presidents???

Its time to review one's cultist mentality with a strong dose of reality......

Yeah. So lets compare what both presidents started with when we talk about doses of reality. Obama faced a depression and job losses every month. Trump faced a growing economy and full employment.

Any Trump ass lickers want to comment?

Obama faced a depression and job losses every month.

The recession ended in June 2009.

Did he end it? How? Be specific.

The stimulus.

How did the government deal with the Great Recession?

In order to deal with the nation’s worst economic downturn since the Great Depression, Congress passed legislation that increased discretionary government spending in order to stimulate the economy. This legislation created programs ranging from financial assistance to large banks and car manufacturers to direct tax rebates for low-income households. In addition, Congress funded a series of massive “shovel-ready” public works projects, such as highway construction and improvement. At its peak, in early 2009, total discretionary government spending reached about $1.2 trillion in annual terms, or 7% of the nation’s total Gross Domestic Product (GDP). In other words, ending the Great Recession required spending a lot of money the government simply had not planned to spend.

When Did the Great Recession Begin and End?

I agree, nothing he did could be credited with ending the recession by June 2009, let alone preventing a depression.

Except he did.

 

[IM2]

Trump has been in "office" for 30 months, so compare how many jobs have been created in the first 30 months in office between these 2 presidents???

Its time to review one's cultist mentality with a strong dose of reality......

Trump had done more good for America in 30 months than Obama could have done in 30 years

TDS=Trump delusion syndrome.

 

[IM2]

Trump has been in "office" for 30 months, so compare how many jobs have been created in the first 30 months in office between these 2 presidents???

Its time to review one's cultist mentality with a strong dose of reality......

Wrong the numbers were given to you by known liars and fake news:
Example you just said 30 months which is false, the close numbers given by fake news was Obama in 3+years (cherry picked) and
Trump 2 1/2 years.
Furthermore your logic fails to notice that you are playing 2 sides of an argument, if Obama's job creation was so robust, then why did Trump match and will surpass it? If everyone's working in Obama terms, then job creation is harder to create, in bashing Bush you give Obama credit for creating obvious jobs dead cat bouncing off a recession from soldiers coming home etc which is not as hard as creating from what you are deluded into saying was robust employment.
Hence you want it both ways.
You needed fake news about numbers, because you can't beat
the low unemployment percentages.
*Epic failed argument*

Another example of Trump delusion syndrome.

 

[daveman]

Oh, sorry, forgot -- it's only liberals who are entitled to their own facts.

Don't be stupider than you have to be son.

I just have to be less stupid than you. And really, that bar's set pretty low.

Charts, facts, numbers, it's all out there son. Arguing they aren't true because tRump said so is just dumb.

Just like your Klimate Kult, you're being fed bogus crap, and you eat it up.

Ah, why am I not surprised you're a denier idiot?

Wait, which one am I denying...the Klimate Kult, or the divinity of your little tin god?

 

[daveman]

What "HUGE" subsidies? Where are your facts? Provide the links but until then you are proving the ignorance of Obamatrons!

The US ranked the worst out of the G7 countries, spending over $26 billion a year propping up fossil fuels.

Time for the US to End Fossil Fuel Subsidies
Congress just passed an $867 billion farm bill. Here's what's in it. - T

Okay. While we're at it, let's end the subsidies for wind and solar. Let's let the market decide.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Trump has been in "office" for 30 months, so compare how many jobs have been created in the first 30 months in office between these 2 presidents???

Its time to review one's cultist mentality with a strong dose of reality......

Yeah. So lets compare what both presidents started with when we talk about doses of reality. Obama faced a depression and job losses every month. Trump faced a growing economy and full employment.

Any Trump ass lickers want to comment?

Obama faced a depression and job losses every month.

The recession ended in June 2009.

Did he end it? How? Be specific.

The stimulus.

How did the government deal with the Great Recession?

In order to deal with the nation’s worst economic downturn since the Great Depression, Congress passed legislation that increased discretionary government spending in order to stimulate the economy. This legislation created programs ranging from financial assistance to large banks and car manufacturers to direct tax rebates for low-income households. In addition, Congress funded a series of massive “shovel-ready” public works projects, such as highway construction and improvement. At its peak, in early 2009, total discretionary government spending reached about $1.2 trillion in annual terms, or 7% of the nation’s total Gross Domestic Product (GDP). In other words, ending the Great Recession required spending a lot of money the government simply had not planned to spend.

When Did the Great Recession Begin and End?

I agree, nothing he did could be credited with ending the recession by June 2009, let alone preventing a depression.

Except he did.

Nah.

 

[CowboyTed]

Once again asshole

Obama was against fracking, drilling, pipeline

Obama tried to prevent thousands of jobs in South Carolina with a new Boeing plan

His Obama care was a job killer

His assnine EPA with thousands of new rules and regulations was a job killer.

Unemployment went up with his shovel ready jobs .


You could go on and on about Obama being a anti business president

Trump has a unnecessary trade war because he was too dumb to sign TPP..

Some off you guys are a laugh, Obama inherited an economy going off a cliff after a GOP idiotic decades of deregulation and stepped in and saved it...

Trump inherits a economy which is on rise and borrows money like a drunken sailor to give to his rich buddies and look at the result:

 

[HaShev]

Trump has been in "office" for 30 months, so compare how many jobs have been created in the first 30 months in office between these 2 presidents???

Its time to review one's cultist mentality with a strong dose of reality......

Wrong the numbers were given to you by known liars and fake news:
Example you just said 30 months which is false, the close numbers given by fake news was Obama in 3+years (cherry picked) and
Trump 2 1/2 years.
Furthermore your logic fails to notice that you are playing 2 sides of an argument, if Obama's job creation was so robust, then why did Trump match and will surpass it? If everyone's working in Obama terms, then job creation is harder to create, in bashing Bush you give Obama credit for creating obvious jobs dead cat bouncing off a recession from soldiers coming home etc which is not as hard as creating from what you are deluded into saying was robust employment.
Hence you want it both ways.
You needed fake news about numbers, because you can't beat
the low unemployment percentages.
*Epic failed argument*

Another example of Trump delusion syndrome.

See you are a bigot, not just your rants of hate towards people you deem disabled, but anyone who has an opinion you can't refute or exposes you= means you personally lash out and stereotype & group them, which means you prejudice against a group even if those people aren't of that group.
Example: AOC calling detention center officers and agency head as being racist when the head is Latino as well as many guards she called racist.
You call people delusional for being patriots supporting their country, their President, their laws. Once again that's a double negative: lawless anti gov't ranters can't tell people who want their country stable and well, that wanting success is delusional.....no wanting your country to fail is=you are the person you are fingering at in that deflection(mirror).

 

[CowboyTed]

What "HUGE" subsidies? Where are your facts? Provide the links but until then you are proving the ignorance of Obamatrons!

The US ranked the worst out of the G7 countries, spending over $26 billion a year propping up fossil fuels.

Time for the US to End Fossil Fuel Subsidies
Congress just passed an $867 billion farm bill. Here's what's in it. - T

Okay. While we're at it, let's end the subsidies for wind and solar. Let's let the market decide.

So when are the Oil companies paying back the $1.1 Trillion for the Iraq War...
And don't give us the bullshit it wasn't for Oil...
No one was saying to invade Sudan at the time...

Oil gets huge subsidies...

When is coal paying for the damage to the environment?

Cost of New E.P.A. Coal Rules: Up to 1,400 More Deaths a Year
Clean coal’s dirty secret: More pollution, not less

So giving money huge money to oil and coal is good..

 

[IM2]

This guy predicted Trump Delusion Syndrome.



Obama Saved Us From a Great Depression
By Robert Samuelson
December 21, 2016

There is no mystery about Barack Obama's greatest presidential achievement: He stopped the Great Recession from becoming the second Great Depression. True, he had plenty of help, including from his predecessor, George W. Bush, and from the top officials at the Treasury and Federal Reserve. But if Obama had made one wrong step, what was a crushing economic slump could have become something much worse.

In the coming weeks, we'll be swamped with analyses of Obama's legacy. His foreign policy will be critiqued, as it is already. Once in the White House, Donald Trump may trash some of Obama's favorite policies: the Affordable Care Act, the program on climate change, the Dodd-Frank law on financial regulation. All this may wrongly foster the notion that Obama accomplished almost nothing.

Put this down to partisanship, selective memories or both. It is Obama's unfortunate fate that the high-water mark of his presidency occurred in the first months, when the world flirted with financial calamity. The prospect of another Great Depression - a long period of worsening economic decline - was not far-fetched.

In its just-released annual report, the White House's Council of Economic Advisers (CEA) explains why. Recall the dreadful numbers.

In the first quarter of 2009, as Obama was moving into the White House, monthly job losses averaged 772,000. The ultimate decline in employment was 8.7 million jobs, or 6.3%. Housing prices and stock values were collapsing. From their peak in February 2007 to their low point, housing prices dropped 26%. Millions of homeowners were "underwater" - their houses were worth less than the mortgages on them. Stock prices fell roughly by half from August 2007 to March 2009.

What separates then from now is that, after 18 months or so, spending turned up in 2009 while it continued declining in the 1930s. This difference reflected, at least in part, the aggressive policies adopted to blunt the downturn. The Fed cut short-term interest rates to zero and provided other avenues of cheap credit; the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP), enacted in the final months of the Bush administration, poured money into major banks to reassure the public of their solvency.

Still, Obama's role was crucial. Against opposition, he decided to rescue General Motors and Chrysler. Throwing them onto the tender mercies of the market would have been a huge blow to the industrial Midwest and to national psychology. He also championed a sizable budget "stimulus." Advertised originally as $787 billion, it was actually $2.6 trillion over four years when the initial program was combined with later proposals and so-called "automatic stabilizers" are included, says the CEA.

Obama Saved Us From a Great Depression | RealClearMarkets

 

[daveman]

What "HUGE" subsidies? Where are your facts? Provide the links but until then you are proving the ignorance of Obamatrons!

The US ranked the worst out of the G7 countries, spending over $26 billion a year propping up fossil fuels.

Time for the US to End Fossil Fuel Subsidies
Congress just passed an $867 billion farm bill. Here's what's in it. - T

Okay. While we're at it, let's end the subsidies for wind and solar. Let's let the market decide.

So when are the Oil companies paying back the $1.1 Trillion for the Iraq War...
And don't give us the bullshit it wasn't for Oil...
No one was saying to invade Sudan at the time...

Oil gets huge subsidies...

When is coal paying for the damage to the environment?

Cost of New E.P.A. Coal Rules: Up to 1,400 More Deaths a Year
Clean coal’s dirty secret: More pollution, not less

So giving money huge money to oil and coal is good..

THE IRAQ WAR WAS ABOUT OIL

LOL!

 

[HaShev]

This guy predicted Trump Delusion Syndrome.



Obama Saved Us From a Great Depression
By Robert Samuelson
December 21, 2016

There is no mystery about Barack Obama's greatest presidential achievement: He stopped the Great Recession from becoming the second Great Depression. True, he had plenty of help, including from his predecessor, George W. Bush, and from the top officials at the Treasury and Federal Reserve. But if Obama had made one wrong step, what was a crushing economic slump could have become something much worse.

In the coming weeks, we'll be swamped with analyses of Obama's legacy. His foreign policy will be critiqued, as it is already. Once in the White House, Donald Trump may trash some of Obama's favorite policies: the Affordable Care Act, the program on climate change, the Dodd-Frank law on financial regulation. All this may wrongly foster the notion that Obama accomplished almost nothing.

Put this down to partisanship, selective memories or both. It is Obama's unfortunate fate that the high-water mark of his presidency occurred in the first months, when the world flirted with financial calamity. The prospect of another Great Depression - a long period of worsening economic decline - was not far-fetched.

In its just-released annual report, the White House's Council of Economic Advisers (CEA) explains why. Recall the dreadful numbers.

In the first quarter of 2009, as Obama was moving into the White House, monthly job losses averaged 772,000. The ultimate decline in employment was 8.7 million jobs, or 6.3%. Housing prices and stock values were collapsing. From their peak in February 2007 to their low point, housing prices dropped 26%. Millions of homeowners were "underwater" - their houses were worth less than the mortgages on them. Stock prices fell roughly by half from August 2007 to March 2009.

What separates then from now is that, after 18 months or so, spending turned up in 2009 while it continued declining in the 1930s. This difference reflected, at least in part, the aggressive policies adopted to blunt the downturn. The Fed cut short-term interest rates to zero and provided other avenues of cheap credit; the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP), enacted in the final months of the Bush administration, poured money into major banks to reassure the public of their solvency.

Still, Obama's role was crucial. Against opposition, he decided to rescue General Motors and Chrysler. Throwing them onto the tender mercies of the market would have been a huge blow to the industrial Midwest and to national psychology. He also championed a sizable budget "stimulus." Advertised originally as $787 billion, it was actually $2.6 trillion over four years when the initial program was combined with later proposals and so-called "automatic stabilizers" are included, says the CEA.

Obama Saved Us From a Great Depression | RealClearMarkets

Recession started by Dems Dodd & Frank's loose lending- social program? But that busts both your party and your former socialist suggestions.
Brilliant, you busted your former arguments!

Of course being brought into conflict with Terrorists is also to blame and that source of blame can go back to Clinton's poor foreign policy and handling of known terrorists like Bin Laden who he let slip away in 98.
Bin Laden caused 911 which caused the start of our stock crashes which harmed the economy and financial institutes. SINCE IT'S NOW KNOWN BY HILLARY'S EMAILS that they took money from the Saudis in pay to play schemes then their greed could have been to blame for letting Bin Laden slip away as favor to Saudis and thus leading to 911, financial collapse=recession.

 

[LilOlLady]

Trump created more jobs for his family than Obama did.

Minimum wage jobs.

 

[IM2]

Trump has been in "office" for 30 months, so compare how many jobs have been created in the first 30 months in office between these 2 presidents???

Its time to review one's cultist mentality with a strong dose of reality......

Wrong the numbers were given to you by known liars and fake news:
Example you just said 30 months which is false, the close numbers given by fake news was Obama in 3+years (cherry picked) and
Trump 2 1/2 years.
Furthermore your logic fails to notice that you are playing 2 sides of an argument, if Obama's job creation was so robust, then why did Trump match and will surpass it? If everyone's working in Obama terms, then job creation is harder to create, in bashing Bush you give Obama credit for creating obvious jobs dead cat bouncing off a recession from soldiers coming home etc which is not as hard as creating from what you are deluded into saying was robust employment.
Hence you want it both ways.
You needed fake news about numbers, because you can't beat
the low unemployment percentages.
*Epic failed argument*

Another example of Trump delusion syndrome.

See you are a bigot, not just your rants of hate towards people you deem disabled, but anyone who has an opinion you can't refute or exposes you= means you personally lash out and stereotype & group them, which means you prejudice against a group even if those people aren't of that group.
Example: AOC calling detention center officers and agency head as being racist when the head is Latino as well as many guards she called racist.
You call people delusional for being patriots supporting their country, their President, their laws. Once again that's a double negative: lawless anti gov't ranters can't tell people who want their country stable and well, that wanting success is delusional.....no wanting your country to fail is=you are the person you are fingering at in that deflection(mirror).

Nah. The simple fact is that nothing Trump did initiated the economy he took credit for. Trump came to office with 4.7 percent unemployment and it has been reduced by 1 point. We have had 10 years of economic growth, 7.5 of those under Obama. So for you to make the comments you make shows you are delusional or suffer from psychosis. This appears to be a similar trait in nearly all of the Trump supporters in this forum. If you were to say Trump was handed a strong economy and in much of his first 2 years, it appears his policies have maintained what he was handed, you would not be called delusional. But you, nor the rest of those with Trump Delusion Syndrome are able to say that.

But what you are probably going to see in the next 2 years are the long term results of Trumps policies. And if he gets re elected, you are going to learn a very tough lesson.

 

[IM2]

This guy predicted Trump Delusion Syndrome.



Obama Saved Us From a Great Depression
By Robert Samuelson
December 21, 2016

There is no mystery about Barack Obama's greatest presidential achievement: He stopped the Great Recession from becoming the second Great Depression. True, he had plenty of help, including from his predecessor, George W. Bush, and from the top officials at the Treasury and Federal Reserve. But if Obama had made one wrong step, what was a crushing economic slump could have become something much worse.

In the coming weeks, we'll be swamped with analyses of Obama's legacy. His foreign policy will be critiqued, as it is already. Once in the White House, Donald Trump may trash some of Obama's favorite policies: the Affordable Care Act, the program on climate change, the Dodd-Frank law on financial regulation. All this may wrongly foster the notion that Obama accomplished almost nothing.

Put this down to partisanship, selective memories or both. It is Obama's unfortunate fate that the high-water mark of his presidency occurred in the first months, when the world flirted with financial calamity. The prospect of another Great Depression - a long period of worsening economic decline - was not far-fetched.

In its just-released annual report, the White House's Council of Economic Advisers (CEA) explains why. Recall the dreadful numbers.

In the first quarter of 2009, as Obama was moving into the White House, monthly job losses averaged 772,000. The ultimate decline in employment was 8.7 million jobs, or 6.3%. Housing prices and stock values were collapsing. From their peak in February 2007 to their low point, housing prices dropped 26%. Millions of homeowners were "underwater" - their houses were worth less than the mortgages on them. Stock prices fell roughly by half from August 2007 to March 2009.

What separates then from now is that, after 18 months or so, spending turned up in 2009 while it continued declining in the 1930s. This difference reflected, at least in part, the aggressive policies adopted to blunt the downturn. The Fed cut short-term interest rates to zero and provided other avenues of cheap credit; the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP), enacted in the final months of the Bush administration, poured money into major banks to reassure the public of their solvency.

Still, Obama's role was crucial. Against opposition, he decided to rescue General Motors and Chrysler. Throwing them onto the tender mercies of the market would have been a huge blow to the industrial Midwest and to national psychology. He also championed a sizable budget "stimulus." Advertised originally as $787 billion, it was actually $2.6 trillion over four years when the initial program was combined with later proposals and so-called "automatic stabilizers" are included, says the CEA.

Obama Saved Us From a Great Depression | RealClearMarkets

Recession started by Dems Todd-Frank's loose lending- social program? But that busts both your party and your former socialist suggestions.
Brilliant, you busted your former arguments!

Of course being brought into conflict with Terrorists is also to blame and that source of blame can go back to Clinton's poor foreign policy and handling of known terrorists like Bin Laden who he let slip away in 98.
Bin Laden caused 911 which caused the start of our stock crashes which harmed the economy and financial institutes. SINCE IT'S NOW KNOWN BY HILLARY'S EMAILS that they took money from the Saudis in pay to play schemes then their greed could have been to blame for letting Bin Laden slip away as favor to Saudis and thus leading to 911, financial collapse=recession.

No, those things didn't start the recession. This is more Trump Delusion Syndrome nonsense.

 

[healthmyths]

What "HUGE" subsidies? Where are your facts? Provide the links but until then you are proving the ignorance of Obamatrons!

The US ranked the worst out of the G7 countries, spending over $26 billion a year propping up fossil fuels.

Time for the US to End Fossil Fuel Subsidies
Congress just passed an $867 billion farm bill. Here's what's in it. - T

Okay. While we're at it, let's end the subsidies for wind and solar. Let's let the market decide.

So when are the Oil companies paying back the $1.1 Trillion for the Iraq War...
And don't give us the bullshit it wasn't for Oil...
No one was saying to invade Sudan at the time...

Oil gets huge subsidies...

When is coal paying for the damage to the environment?

Cost of New E.P.A. Coal Rules: Up to 1,400 More Deaths a Year
Clean coal’s dirty secret: More pollution, not less

So giving money huge money to oil and coal is good..

THE IRAQ WAR WAS ABOUT OIL

LOL!

So once again... the devil is in the details!

The five-year legislation largely continues current farm and nutrition policy and is projected to cost $867 billion over a decade.
Farm bill headed to Trump after landslide House approval
Idiots like you thought it was for ONE year didn't you??? That works out to $86.7 billion /year. NOT $867 Billion as you lead people who
don't do further research LIKE I did to conclude.
But that's why people like you are so ill informed! You are lazy! You expect other people to take care of your crap... just like these people do!