October Non-Surprise: Unemployment at 10%, Gallup!

[DiveCon]

I mean yeah! Once upon a time (22 years ago) I was a reasonably healthy single adult, and I didn't even pay that.

I know it's gone up, but I don't believe for a MINUTE it's a thousand bucks worth of gone up!

Hell, $95 a month is about what we were paying for family coverage when my husband and I had the youngest.

I know it's gone up since then, but I KNOW it isn't a thousand. We put only two thousand in the medical savings account for the year to cover prescriptions for the year, and we are still covering the college age kid!

1000 a month? Where does Madelbrain live? MARS???

He was 22 when out of college. Ran cross country, only health issue was 'sports induced asthma', meaning an inhaler needed immediately after race, to avoid vomiting and dry heaves, (non-life threatening).

For $95 a month, he'd have to pay for doctor visits, meds, etc. BUT, if the worst happened and needed hospitalization and perhaps cancer treatments, or etc., he'd have been covered. He opted out. I was upset, but he did get full time job in 9 months.

BTW, he never did go to doctor or hospital. His gamble worked.

One reason we needed health care reform was, the policy your son was offered was not "health insurance" IMO. It is fairly easy to be bankrupted by health care costs without staying the night in a hospital.

I am not all that pleased with Obamacare -- I support government-provided, single payor coverage. But if the Tea Party wants to repeal it, will they be addressing any of the unmet needs (lifetime spending caps, portability, pre-exisitng conditions, etc.) we all agree existed before?

Or are we going to be hearing more about "social darwinism" where poor people who cannot afford insurance just fucking die?

trust me, you do NOT want single payer

 

[Madeline]

No... specific platitudes... he did NOT give the details you indeed are asking for from others

Sorry, DiamondDave, that's a nonstarter. Here's a link to Obama's campaign promise so you can look-see for yourself.

Organizing for America | BarackObama.com | Policy Issues

Now, if you know of an economic recovery plan being touted by any Tea Party candidate, may we hear it? A-n-y p-l-a-n; because as I said, to me it sounds as if all of them are running on the "I hate Muslims" bullshit machine.

those are nothing but platitudes, maddy
which is what you CLAIM to not want

I dun hate platitudes, but they are no substitute for concrete plans, DiveCon. I was satisfied I knew what Obama would do if elected (and in many ways, have been disappointed): end the Middle eastern Wars, close GITMO, pass health care reform, end DADT (still waiting), etc.

This is post #141 on this thread and I am STILL waiting to be told which Tea Party candidate is the economic genius who has a plan for our economic recovery. We dun have such a candidate in Ohio but judging from what I have read about races in other states, the slate is full of dimwits who cannot spell "economics". I fear for our future.

In fact I am not persuaded any government action plan can correct this recession, because it is deflationary. I think it is quite possible government can make it much worse, however, and I fear that. I can appreciate the joy of those who feel their candidates will win in November....but I am curious as to why some USMB-ers believe these candidates deserve to.

 

[teapartysamurai]

that was the norm until sometime in the late 60's or 70's. I'm over 50, my folks paid for all physicals, and such. Major medical kicked in for stuff that resulted or might result in hospitalization.

If we needed stitches, went to the emergency room. If over the deductible, it was covered.

And the doctor came to you! Remember that?

 

[The T]

Sorry, DiamondDave, that's a nonstarter. Here's a link to Obama's campaign promise so you can look-see for yourself.

Organizing for America | BarackObama.com | Policy Issues

Now, if you know of an economic recovery plan being touted by any Tea Party candidate, may we hear it? A-n-y p-l-a-n; because as I said, to me it sounds as if all of them are running on the "I hate Muslims" bullshit machine.

those are nothing but platitudes, maddy
which is what you CLAIM to not want

I dun hate platitudes, but they are no substitute for concrete plans, DiveCon. I was satisfied I knew what Obama would do if elected (and in many ways, have been disappointed): end the Middle eastern Wars, close GITMO, pass health care reform, end DADT (still waiting), etc.

This is post #141 on this thread and I am STILL waiting to be told which Tea Party candidate is the economic genius who has a plan for our economic recovery. We dun have such a candidate in Ohio but judging from what I have read about races in other states, the slate is full of dimwits who cannot spell "economics". I fear for our future.

In fact I am not persuaded any government action plan can correct this recession, because it is deflationary. I think it is quite possible government can make it much worse, however, and I fear that. I can appreciate the joy of those who feel their candidates will win in November....but I am curious as to why some USMB-ers believe these candidates deserve to.

Why does Gubmint...Obama have to do anything? All they need do is GET OUT of our way, and let us decide through the power of our COMMERCE decisions.

Sound easy? It is. It is Gubmint that throws everything into chaos by their Socialistic Experiments known as meddling in affair they have no business doing. Learn it, Live it, Know It.

 

[Revere]

Did Obama say he planned on taking over the banks, automakers, health care, and energy when running for President?

GITMO is still open, there are still combat troops in Iraq, and he is suing to stop DADT from being overturned.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Sorry, DiamondDave, that's a nonstarter. Here's a link to Obama's campaign promise so you can look-see for yourself.

Organizing for America | BarackObama.com | Policy Issues

Now, if you know of an economic recovery plan being touted by any Tea Party candidate, may we hear it? A-n-y p-l-a-n; because as I said, to me it sounds as if all of them are running on the "I hate Muslims" bullshit machine.

those are nothing but platitudes, maddy
which is what you CLAIM to not want

I dun hate platitudes, but they are no substitute for concrete plans, DiveCon. I was satisfied I knew what Obama would do if elected (and in many ways, have been disappointed): end the Middle eastern Wars, close GITMO, pass health care reform, end DADT (still waiting), etc.

This is post #141 on this thread and I am STILL waiting to be told which Tea Party candidate is the economic genius who has a plan for our economic recovery. We dun have such a candidate in Ohio but judging from what I have read about races in other states, the slate is full of dimwits who cannot spell "economics". I fear for our future.

In fact I am not persuaded any government action plan can correct this recession, because it is deflationary. I think it is quite possible government can make it much worse, however, and I fear that. I can appreciate the joy of those who feel their candidates will win in November....but I am curious as to why some USMB-ers believe these candidates deserve to.

Why does the present crop in Congress NOW deserve reelection instead of being thrown out on their ear?

 

[teapartysamurai]

Did Obama say he planned on taking over the banks, automakers, health care, and energy when running for President?

GITMO is still open, there are still combat troops in Iraq, and he is suing to stop DADT from being overturned.

Obama wasn't specific about a lot of damn things.

Now, liberals demand specificity from us?

Too damn funny and hypocritical.

 

[Madeline]

those are nothing but platitudes, maddy
which is what you CLAIM to not want

I dun hate platitudes, but they are no substitute for concrete plans, DiveCon. I was satisfied I knew what Obama would do if elected (and in many ways, have been disappointed): end the Middle eastern Wars, close GITMO, pass health care reform, end DADT (still waiting), etc.

This is post #141 on this thread and I am STILL waiting to be told which Tea Party candidate is the economic genius who has a plan for our economic recovery. We dun have such a candidate in Ohio but judging from what I have read about races in other states, the slate is full of dimwits who cannot spell "economics". I fear for our future.

In fact I am not persuaded any government action plan can correct this recession, because it is deflationary. I think it is quite possible government can make it much worse, however, and I fear that. I can appreciate the joy of those who feel their candidates will win in November....but I am curious as to why some USMB-ers believe these candidates deserve to.

Why does Gubmint...Obama have to do anything? All they need do is GET OUT of our way, and let us decide through the power of our COMMERCE decisions.

Sound easy? It is. It is Gubmint that throws everything into chaos by their Socialistic Experiments known as meddling in affair they have no business doing. Learn it, Live it, Know It.

Is there some special reason you insist on writing as if you are a first grader, The T? What are the list of government actions you'd like to see halted? Which Tea Party candidate has a plan to shut them down?

 

[Madeline]

Did Obama say he planned on taking over the banks, automakers, health care, and energy when running for President?

GITMO is still open, there are still combat troops in Iraq, and he is suing to stop DADT from being overturned.

Obama wasn't specific about a lot of damn things.

Now, liberals demand specificity from us?

Too damn funny and hypocritical.

So, you are contended to vote in people who have no idea what they are going to do? Good to know, TPS. That's just what I suspected.

 

[The T]

Did Obama say he planned on taking over the banks, automakers, health care, and energy when running for President?

GITMO is still open, there are still combat troops in Iraq, and he is suing to stop DADT from being overturned.

And he is Suing Arizona for bolstering Federal LAW...and then reported Arizona to the UN for supposed violations of Human Rights....which turned into several Latino States chiming in against Arizona...

~Go Figure...eh?

Obama loathes The United States, Traditions [Some Constitutional Scholar, eh?]..Sovereignty, and the PEOPLE. His actions of late has shown it.

People still voted for him. Now he's rejected by them...I wonder when his Self-Agrandizing Apology tour will begin for his actions?

 

[Revere]

What does suing people do to revive the economy?

 

[Madeline]

Did Obama say he planned on taking over the banks, automakers, health care, and energy when running for President?

GITMO is still open, there are still combat troops in Iraq, and he is suing to stop DADT from being overturned.

And he is Suing Arizona for bolstering Federal LAW...and then reported Arizona to the UN for supposed violations of Human Rights....which turned into several Latino States chiming in against Arizona...

~Go Figure...eh?

Obama loathes The United States, Traditions [Some Constitutional Scholar, eh?]..Sovereignty, and the PEOPLE. His actions of late has shown it.

People still voted for him. Now he's rejected by them...I wonder when his Self-Agrandizing Apology tour will begin for his actions?

The DOJ under Obama has behaved disgracefully, and I have repeatedly said, it is those acts that will get him impeached.

How does that answer the question "which Tea Party candidate has a plan for economic recovery"? Are you just voting for anyone without a "D" after their name?

 

[Revere]

The ones that call for the repeal of Obamacare.

 

[The T]

Did Obama say he planned on taking over the banks, automakers, health care, and energy when running for President?

GITMO is still open, there are still combat troops in Iraq, and he is suing to stop DADT from being overturned.

And he is Suing Arizona for bolstering Federal LAW...and then reported Arizona to the UN for supposed violations of Human Rights....which turned into several Latino States chiming in against Arizona...

~Go Figure...eh?

Obama loathes The United States, Traditions [Some Constitutional Scholar, eh?]..Sovereignty, and the PEOPLE. His actions of late has shown it.

People still voted for him. Now he's rejected by them...I wonder when his Self-Agrandizing Apology tour will begin for his actions?

The DOJ under Obama has behaved disgracefully, and I have repeatedly said, it is those acts that will get him impeached.

How does that answer the question "which Tea Party candidate has a plan for economic recovery"? Are you just voting for anyone without a "D" after their name?

Your FIRST MISTAKE...I am NOT Partisan. I'm a big FAN of General Washington that warned of partisanship over Country in his farewell address. *YOU* Should read it sometime and educate yourself Maddie...

I am for ANYONE for Dialing back Government on ALL Levels, and for LIBERTY as the Constituion speaks to...

You should try reading that Best-Seller some time too...

As to anyone that puts a letter of D by their name is NATURALLY discounted by me...Democrats have sunk from what they once were...and should requisition a Name Change to reflect it...try STATIST.

 

[DiveCon]

Did Obama say he planned on taking over the banks, automakers, health care, and energy when running for President?

GITMO is still open, there are still combat troops in Iraq, and he is suing to stop DADT from being overturned.

And he is Suing Arizona for bolstering Federal LAW...and then reported Arizona to the UN for supposed violations of Human Rights....which turned into several Latino States chiming in against Arizona...

~Go Figure...eh?

Obama loathes The United States, Traditions [Some Constitutional Scholar, eh?]..Sovereignty, and the PEOPLE. His actions of late has shown it.

People still voted for him. Now he's rejected by them...I wonder when his Self-Agrandizing Apology tour will begin for his actions?

The DOJ under Obama has behaved disgracefully, and I have repeatedly said, it is those acts that will get him impeached.

How does that answer the question "which Tea Party candidate has a plan for economic recovery"? Are you just voting for anyone without a "D" after their name?

isnt that what many did to the GOP last time?

 

[Madeline]

The ones that call for the repeal of Obamacare.

Repealing Obamacare will rejuvenate the economy?

A law that, by and large, has not gone into effect yet and did not exist when the recession began?

What a sharpie you are, Revere.

 

[uscitizen]

Tax cuts, spending cuts, deregulation and bring our nation back to god. Is there any need to be any more specific to republicans?

 

[Madeline]

DiveCom wrote:

isnt that what many did to the GOP last time?

"Throw the bums out" is a perfectly good reason to vote against someone, DiveCon. But riddle me this: why were such substandard candidates selected to run against Democrats as vulnerable as Reid? Why didn't the Tea Party insist that their candidates not only be non-Democrats, but also people ready, willing and able to create the economic vision the rank and file are said to yearn for?

I look at Tea Party candidates like Angle and just shake my head. I dun know which would be worse...re-electing Reid or sending that Crazy Cat Lady to DC.

 

[The T]

And he is Suing Arizona for bolstering Federal LAW...and then reported Arizona to the UN for supposed violations of Human Rights....which turned into several Latino States chiming in against Arizona...

~Go Figure...eh?

Obama loathes The United States, Traditions [Some Constitutional Scholar, eh?]..Sovereignty, and the PEOPLE. His actions of late has shown it.

People still voted for him. Now he's rejected by them...I wonder when his Self-Agrandizing Apology tour will begin for his actions?

The DOJ under Obama has behaved disgracefully, and I have repeatedly said, it is those acts that will get him impeached.

How does that answer the question "which Tea Party candidate has a plan for economic recovery"? Are you just voting for anyone without a "D" after their name?

isnt that what many did to the GOP last time?

The GOP suffered the fate of Democrats will this time but with more force and velocity.

The question remains if the GOP learned anything from the experience of the WRATH of the people?

If I were to put a Football analogy upon this? The GOP is playing on WAIVERS...

 

[DiveCon]

DiveCom wrote:

isnt that what many did to the GOP last time?

"Throw the bums out" is a perfectly good reason to vote against someone, DiveCon. But riddle me this: why were such substandard candidates selected to run against Democrats as vulnerable as Reid? Why didn't the Tea Party insist that their candidates not only be non-Democrats, but also people ready, willing and able to create the economic vision the rank and file are said to yearn for?

I look at Tea Party candidates like Angle and just shake my head. I dun know which would be worse...re-electing Reid or sending that Crazy Cat Lady to DC.

you shake your head because you believe the fucking liars
i dont shake my head at her
shes not what she has been portrayed as by the liars in the media and the DNC