Obamateurism of the Year ?

[MaggieMae]

Jobs created to offset jobs lost. It's not that complex, really.

no its not, and you cannot claim every one of those jobs created was due to the stimulus, there are people right this moment getting jobs, that has nothing to do with the stimulus and in this environment, they just wait a little longer.

No, it's never a perfect science, but virtually all economists and the CBO seem to agree that it has had some stimulative effect. It's not only the jobs created that's imperfect, but also attempting to forecast an economy in absentia.

But just baselessly screaming its a failure is far less scientific than the methodology employed by the economic community... Just sayin'

The continuation of such screaming now that facts can be found even within conservative reporting indicates the usual bumper sticker mentality.

 

[MaggieMae]

no its not, and you cannot claim every one of those jobs created was due to the stimulus, there are people right this moment getting jobs, that has nothing to do with the stimulus and in this environment, they just wait a little longer.

No, it's never a perfect science, but virtually all economists and the CBO seem to agree that it has had some stimulative effect. It's not only the jobs created that's imperfect, but also attempting to forecast an economy in absentia.

But just baselessly screaming its a failure is far less scientific than the methodology employed by the economic community... Just sayin'

You babbling booby of bromides.

What you completely disregard is AT WHAT FRELLING COST?

Jobs that take $1M+ to create are at the expense of many other jobs that were not created because resources were misused by the government.

Where's any proof of that wild statement? The Bush tax cuts were still in effect, so presumably the private sector still had enough windfall to continue their businesses without having to lay off. What "resources" are you talking about?

 

[MaggieMae]

You are a complete and utter idiot.

The Job trend did not begin to reverse immediately. Over 3M jobs were lost during Obama's first term. His Big Government policies have forestalled a recovery which should be much more robust than the feeble 2.5% growth rate that doesn't even generate enough jobs to keep up with population growth.

This is how Obamnomics compares to policies tried during other downturns:

Hey imbecile.....

Look at month 24 of your graph... THAT'S where Obama took office. You have just swimmingly proved my point. GOD DAMN that must sting... Do you ever get tired of being wrong about EVERYTHING?

Here's another.

Every recession bottoms out. The issue with this one is that the subsequent recovery has been incredibly anemic and is NOT GENERATING ENOUGH JOBS TO KEEP UP WITH POPULATION GROWTH. Obamanomics has retarded the growth rate by at least 50%.

So prove it. Thus far, that's only an assumption on the part of conservatives, since NO ONE can accurately define just how bad the situation would have been withOUT the stimulus AND, of course, all the additional tax cuts to businesses that came with it--that ironically everyone like you seems to forget.

 

[MaggieMae]

You babbling booby of bromides.

What you completely disregard is AT WHAT FRELLING COST?

Jobs that take $1M+ to create are at the expense of many other jobs that were not created because resources were misused by the government.

See? See what's happening?

You realize how dumb and wrong you are, so now you're moving the goalposts. Now it's "OK it worked, but AT WHAT COST.... AT... what.... cost....?"

Now call me a Socialist, declare victory and run away. I know your playbook, boob.

You are an idiotic and an economic iliterate. Now go read more cooked CBO scores and tell us how they are reality.

Don't ever ask me for information again, then ignore it. You will not win this argument. I can produce proof; you cannot.

 

[Sarah G]

I loved the John Bonerism one saying he was going to read the constitution followed by his quoting the D of I.

Why do Repubs always put their dumbest, drunkest and orangest in leadership positions?

 

[Sarah G]

Perhaps it is because they are sooo pliable.

 

[MaggieMae]

I AM AWARE THAT UNEMPLOYMENT CONTINUED TO RISE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME - But the jobs TREND began reversing immediately.

Not everyone got to derivatives in high school.

No, even I didn't and my high school education was the best (comparatively). BUT, I read, read, and read some more, and ignored all the bloviating opinions that attempted to politicize a very real situation.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

Any you think should be in the competition?

Air Force One buzzing Manhattan. That's when I knew they didn't have a BRAIN among them. No one raised his hand and said, "maybe this isn't such a great idea."

It inspired me to write.... And our KittenKoder to animate....

[ame]http://youtube.com/watch?v=PuhznM0pFEc[/ame]

Flyin' low, over WTC
No damn idea what I'm doin
Ridin along in this big ol jet plane I been
thinkin bout whats wrong
These idiots think it's a good idea
to buzz the folks with air force one
I coulda tole 'em it's a bad idea
But ya know they'd fire me if I did

big ol jet airliner
Ya know they're getting carried away-ay
Woa-oh big ol jet airliner
Got no words for what to say

Photo op for the folks at home
Cuz Obama is trusted
But I'm tellin ya this just ain't the way
I hope to hell its not me that gets busted
Cuz my son could do this on photoshop
Instead of usin a real seven-four-seven
Ridin high I got tears in my eyes
You know the folks goin thru hell
as I fly thru the heavens

big ol jet airliner
Ya know they're getting carried away-ay
Woa-oh big ol jet airliner
Got no words for what to say

Panic scramble in New York Town
They think this plane's comin down
nine-eleven's still fresh in their minds
Ya know their heads just keep on spinnin around
And I did this with some trepidation
Cuz any idiot should surely see
That-you-don't-just-fly-a-round New York withthat
Superliner buzzin the city

big ol jet airliner
Ya know they're getting carried away-ay
Woa-oh big ol jet airliner
Got no words for what to say

Watchin this later on CNN
They're tryin not to look disappointed
They do their best to cheer for Obama
But crap like this just makes it tougher
If they'd just be honest with themselves
They'd say what's really on their minds
In-stead-they-try-to-blow-it-off-andmakefunof
People askin what the hell were you thinking

big ol jet airliner
Ya know they're getting carried away-ay
Woa-oh big ol jet airliner
Got no words for what to say

Oh, oh big ol jet airliner
Ya know they're getting carried away-ay
Woa-oa big ol jet airliner
Got no words for what to say
Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah

big ol jet airliner
Ya know they're getting carried away-ay
Woa-oh big ol jet airliner
Got no words for what to say

Oh, oh big ol jet airliner
Carry Obama back home
Oh, oh big ol jet airliner
Cause the white house ain't where he belongs

 

[MaggieMae]

no its not, and you cannot claim every one of those jobs created was due to the stimulus, there are people right this moment getting jobs, that has nothing to do with the stimulus and in this environment, they just wait a little longer.

No, it's never a perfect science, but virtually all economists and the CBO seem to agree that it has had some stimulative effect. It's not only the jobs created that's imperfect, but also attempting to forecast an economy in absentia.

But just baselessly screaming its a failure is far less scientific than the methodology employed by the economic community... Just sayin'

Please read my prior post to maggie ala the CBO.

yes and I have already said it created some jobs and saved some too and I also said that that price was exorbitant.

In any case we can leave it several sects factions grps of experts in the economic community there are as one sect faction grp goes, the ones whom have left the admin., they were dead wrong in their assertions as to the value of the stimulus, you and I know this. They made their case, got their money and here we sit.

It appears we are quibbling over whether Rome burned all the way or only 3/4's. Sure the 1/4 not burning is great, but they said it would not burn more than a quarter...and add in that we have used up all of our fire fighting equipment as well. Thats the point, by analogy as I see it.

So in other words, if Obama's economic team had just said at the outset that we were looking at 15% unemployment which wouldn't start showing signs of improvement for at least ten years, that would have made the situation more palpable? It was what it was, at the time; it is what it is today. Who knew that regardless of bank bailouts and stimulus and even more tax breaks that the private sector would still chose to sit on trillions instead of using it to enhance their businesses and rehire?

 

[PoliticalChic]

I loved the John Bonerism one saying he was going to read the constitution followed by his quoting the D of I.

Why do Repubs always put their dumbest, drunkest and orangest in leadership positions?

"Did Obama Confuse the Constitution With the Declaration of Independence?

“We find unity in our incredible diversity, drawing on the promise enshrined in our Constitution: the notion that we are all created equal…”

GatewayPundit: Um, wrong founding document, Mr. President. It is in our Declaration of Independence that we read:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
Did Obama Confuse the Constitution With the Declaration of Independence?

 

[Midnight Marauder]

I loved the John Bonerism one saying he was going to read the constitution followed by his quoting the D of I.

Why do Repubs always put their dumbest, drunkest and orangest in leadership positions?

[ame]http://youtube.com/watch?v=hyC3kMmiHRM[/ame]

 

[Sarah G]

November 05, 2009
Categories:Republicans
Boehner mixes up Constitution and Declaration
House Minority Leader John Boehner was fired up and ready to go at the Tea Party rally today.

He even held up his pocket copy of the Constitution, pledging to "stand here with our Founding Fathers, who wrote in the pre-amble: 'We hold these truths to be self evident ..."

Oops.

That would be the opening lines of the Declaration of Independence that he's reading.

Boehner mixes up Constitution and Declaration - On Congress - POLITICO.com

HaHa, Boehner did more than mix up a few words. He was even holding up a copy of the constitution, he could have read from that.

 

[MaggieMae]

Every recession bottoms out. The issue with this one is that the subsequent recovery has been incredibly anemic and is NOT GENERATING ENOUGH JOBS TO KEEP UP WITH POPULATION GROWTH. Obamanomics has retarded the growth rate by at least 50%.

Bush's economy wasn't either. Not for the entire time the Administration was in power. Now, suddenly..it's a problem?

President Bush's time in office is ending as it began, with our economy under stress. The recession President Bush inherited as he entered office ran through the attacks of September 11, 2001, but during the recovery that followed, and due in no small part to the tax relief President Bush worked with Congress to provide, this country experienced its longest run of uninterrupted job growth - 52 straight months, with 8.3 million jobs created.

This reflected six consecutive years of economic growth from the Fourth Quarter of 2001 until the Fourth Quarter of 2007. From 2000 to 2007, real GDP grew by more than 17 percent, a remarkable gain of nearly 2.1 trillion dollars. This growth was driven in part by increased labor productivity gains that have averaged 2.5 percent annually since 2001, a rate that exceeds the averages of the 1970s, '80s, and '90s. In the same period, real after-tax income per capita increased by more than 11 percent, and there was a 4.7 percent increase in the number of new businesses formed. The current economic challenges, which the President and his Administration have responded to aggressively, threaten to reverse some of these gains - but the gains cannot be denied.

RealClearPolitics - Articles - Myths & Facts About the Real Bush Record

^^December 22, 2008.

The tables included in THIS analysis are from IRS Statistics of Income pages, which prove that those numbers by Real Clear Politics are skewed.

tax.com: So How Did the Bush Tax Cuts Work Out for the Economy?

 

[Dr.House]

I loved the John Bonerism one saying he was going to read the constitution followed by his quoting the D of I.

Why do Repubs always put their dumbest, drunkest and orangest in leadership positions?

"Did Obama Confuse the Constitution With the Declaration of Independence?

“We find unity in our incredible diversity, drawing on the promise enshrined in our Constitution: the notion that we are all created equal…”

GatewayPundit: Um, wrong founding document, Mr. President. It is in our Declaration of Independence that we read:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
Did Obama Confuse the Constitution With the Declaration of Independence?

He's some community organizer....lol

 

[MaggieMae]

The White House doesn't have to support the Fairness Doctrine. The powers the FCC is seizing via Net Neutrality accomplish much of the objective, without that annoying hassle of having to get Congressional Approval.

Net neutrality is another issue the cons have tried to politicize. They so misunderstand that they think it's perfectly fine that a private company be given the right to determine what we can and can't access on the Internet. But of course it's only because the FCC now falls under the purview of that evil Obama Administration. It would have been seen as a monopolistic victory if it had been decided by a Republican administration.

 

[Sarah G]

I loved the John Bonerism one saying he was going to read the constitution followed by his quoting the D of I.

Why do Repubs always put their dumbest, drunkest and orangest in leadership positions?

"Did Obama Confuse the Constitution With the Declaration of Independence?

“We find unity in our incredible diversity, drawing on the promise enshrined in our Constitution: the notion that we are all created equal…”

GatewayPundit: Um, wrong founding document, Mr. President. It is in our Declaration of Independence that we read:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
Did Obama Confuse the Constitution With the Declaration of Independence?

He's some community organizer....lol

Uh huh, you guys got yourself some Speaker there. Reagan/Bush/Bush level intelligence ..

Sheesh, Obama a genius compared to these people. Don't get me started on McCain/Palin.

 

[MaggieMae]

Not just media...any criticism or info that isn't positive....

remember this one?

"Democrats are turning their fire on Scott Rasmussen, the prolific independent pollster whose surveys on elections, President Obama’s popularity and a host of other issues are surfacing in the media with increasing frequency. "

Read more: Low favorables: Democrats rip Rasmussen - Alex Isenstadt - POLITICO.com

You wouldn't be suggesting that conservative outlets don't ALSO "rip" liberal outlets, would you? Now you're just being hypocritical in addition to looking like all the other world-class cherry pickers. Please stop. You're really smarter than that.

Hey, let's go over the rules, here.

I post stuff that criticizes the left, and you guys post stuff that criticizes the right...or rebuts my stuff.

This is the idea behind 'the marketplace of ideas.' My stuff is going to be more powerful, more dispositive than yours...

You do your own homework.
I'm not 'Scrubbing Bubbles'......"we work hard so you don't have to!"

I totally agree, but posting something so hypocritical should be avoided. And I don't ever use anything but Scrubbing Bubbles! It's a wonder cleaner, especially when unexpected company knocks and a coupla swipes is all that's needed before you even open the door! (Just make sure you wipe off the nozzle or it rusts.)

 

[MaggieMae]

"...all of those voices still aren't successful in drowning out the lead OPINION voices from the right..."

Yaaaa! Let's hear it for TRUTH gettin' through!

What truth? When the embellishments, lies, innuendo outweigh any actual reporting of TRUTH by people like Glenn Beck, it's very difficult for a sane and intelligent person to weed out the difference. Google "lies of Obama administration" and you get 87,000 published items. Google "lies of Glenn Beck" and you'll see over 7 million.

Checked...and seems to me that 'he was wrong' is more appropriate in many of the instances mentioned...but you guys on the left have 'HE LIED' pretty much trademarked...

which leads to this query: if lying is pretty much the litmus test that differentiates a good guy from a bad guy....then why did so many of you lefties vote for Clinton?
And still give him props?


"...any actual reporting of TRUTH..."
Now, as far as the fourth estate, would you argue that they weren't guilty of malpractice in both supporting this empty suit in the White House, or neglecting to vet him?

There are many degrees of what constitutes a lie, and I'm sure you're aware of that, so any debate isn't necessary except to say when an outright lie is perpetrated with the sole intent of revving up the masses, it's wrong.

As for Obama not getting vetted, his background for security purposes was thoroughly vetted long before he even took office. As for his experience, I agree that he needed to stop making promises that even I knew would be impossible to keep--like promising no more lobbyists. But I think ANY president needs to wade through the realities of actually being president as opposed to simply campaigning for the job. There are, in fact, many mistakes I think he made, not the least of which was choosing Rahm Emanuel as his COS--a very controversial figure if Obama intended to fulfill his promise of compromise. He also allowed Pelosi to take the reins far too often and run with HER agenda, instead of his own and he bowed to her experience when he shouldn't have. Yup, there are any number of things he has done wrong, BUT, oddly enough, Obama has been willing to own up to mistakes made, too, which is unusual for any president to do.

 

[MaggieMae]

She's also neglecting that Obama did a bunch at the start of his Presidency, and then cut way back in 2010.

This is so odd. I seem to recall when Obama began his term in office all the screeching by you people that you wanted him to SHUT THE FUCK UP, get out of your faces, stop talking. So he finally did, and you complained. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

And ya know what? THAT's the reason I still remain in his corner. When you hatemongers finally shut the fuck up yourselves over the petty shit, then perhaps that would leave more time to actually discuss in a civil manner issues of importance. Ya think? And don't come back and sob to me that Bush got the same treatment. It didn't come close, but even if it did, acting like little children playing tit for tat has gotten real old.

Many of us were certainly tired of the dozens of fluff and staged interviews. Far less of those and a few more proper press conferences with real Q&A would have been preferable.

You already said that.

 

[MaggieMae]

robert bork? clarence thomas...?REAGAN? KENNEDY?DUKAKIS?


come now...

Nobody is claiming there weren't conflicts. Of course there were. PC was correct about only one thing, and that is that there is basic ideology differences between the parties. I'm claiming that it didn't start getting ugly until Clinton was elected and knocked out a second term for Bush41.

Even long before the Lewinsky scandal, Republicans had set out to destroy him. The held hundreds of hearings to "investigate" all manner of things. The House oversight committee took more than 140 hours of testimony to investigate whether the Clinton White House misused its holiday card database, whether the Clinton administration sold burial plots in Arlington National Cemetery for campaign contributions. They examined whether the White House doctored videotapes of coffees attended by President Clinton. They spent two years investigating who hired Craig Livingstone, the former director of the White House security office. And they looked at whether President Clinton designated coal-rich land in Utah as a national monument because political donors with Indonesian coal interests might benefit from reductions in U.S. coal production. All that not to mention the 18 million pricetag to investigate Hillary's "Whitewater" thing. Shall I go on?

Clinton???

Another post like this and I may have to remove any cache you have with regards to a knowledge of history...

Recall this about Cleveland, 1884: "Ma, Ma, Where’s my Pa, Gone to the White House, Ha, Ha, Ha" about his possibly having a child out of wedlock....

Do you need to be remided about stuff written about Jefferson???

And, this pretty well sums it up about Clinton:

"…every Democrat who voted for Bill Clinton feels the need to defend duplicity, adultery, lying about adultery, sexual harassment, rape, perjury, obstruction of justice, kicking the can of global Islamofascism down the road for eight years, and so on."
Coulter

Tell Ann I never defended any of the sexual indiscretions. So her all-inclusivity is, as usual, wrong. And I would also refer her to the 911 Commission's report which, based upon the timeframe and global activity of the time, did not entirely blame the Clinton administration for the rise of Islamofascism, nor did it blame the Bush administration for totally ignoring it.