Obamateurism of the Year ?

[MaggieMae]

no because you have now changed the debate to fit your evidence, as you have thrown a great deal at the wall at once and deciding what is worthy or not. Apparently due to your particular ideological stance it appears its a problem and 'partisan' to investigate why Livingstone yes, cheif of sec. should be collecting fbi files on 900 prominent rep.s so in the end, if anyone bush Reagan Kennedy had done as much yes they should be investigated...so this debate is at a dead end in this context. thx for posting it though.

Regarding Livingston, it was undoubtedly a credible issue for investigation, but TWO YEARS?

I fail to see why a congressional investigations length has a bearing if there was wrong doing? 2 years ? How long did Rangel dangle? whats up with maxine waters? they drag it out hoping it goes away and no this is not a strictly dem. phenomena. they all do it.

The bottom line is that Republicans felt they needed to have some investigation in motion at all times in order to make themselves look credible. And in the end, almost all of it backfired, except the Lewinsky investigation which was ironically an offshoot of Whitewater which also failed their test.

I am sorry MM, that is simply not true; one example, by the end of the 90's decade, the Justice Department listed 25 people indicted and 19 convicted because of the 1996 Clinton-Gore fundraising scandals.And say, Webster Hubbell? Cisneros, Espy? Tyson foods? Ron Brown 'escaped' by dieing...

When I say their investigations backfired, I mean as they effected Clinton's continuing popularity. And yes, ALL administrations have had their share of scandals, especially regarding campaign violations. But I don't intend to go tit for tat on this, since you can look up Reagan's Iran-Contra scandal, the purchase of Bush43's Ohio win for reelection, and any number of other shady dealings that both parties engage in (or attempt to).

 

[MaggieMae]

Want to skip your line "I'm claiming that it didn't start getting ugly until Clinton was elected and knocked out a second term for Bush41."?


Is it necessary to point to the accusations of Jefferson being an athiest, or the stories...still current, of his relationship with one of his slaves....
Of course there is no proof of this...only conjecture.

Or are you arguing that Jefferson was on the same ticket with Clinton....

give it up.

Reagan never would have succeeded without the working relationship he had with Tip O'Neill. Clinton never would have succeeded without the eventual working relationship with Gingrich, but it didn't occur until Clinton's second term. Sitting Republicans despised Bill Clinton, and voters took their hatred of Clinton (because of the sex scandal) out on Al Gore. Then the USSC decision in Bush v. Gore when enraged Democrats. Are you telling me the vitiol between the parties, and especially among party subscribers, has not been uglier over the past decade than any time in history? Surely, as a quasi historian yourself (albeit knowledgeable mostly about conservative ideology), you know that it has.

Absurd.

The same argument has been used before and regularly.

Politics is, and always has been, a bloodsport.

But..you are correct about he 1997 working relationship that Clinton and Gingrich had...up until the scandal, 1998-99. "...prepared to forge a bipartisan compromise on Social Security and Medicare, a plan that was derailed when the Monica Lewinsky scandal broke."
From "The Pact," by Gillon.

Imagine how much better our nation would be ...at least fiscally, if you folks on the left didn't foist the sleazy, morally corrupt pols on the rest of us.

Oh really?

Feel free to check the list, if you dare:
Republican Sex Scandals Dwarf Those of Democrats - Salem-News.Com

 

[MaggieMae]

1.Campbell Brown...Larry King...Lou Dobbs...Christiane Amanpour...have all left the premier left of center cable network.
CNN's senior Middle East editor, Octavia Nasr...Jonathan Klein, the president of the beleaguered CNN/U.S. cable channel, is being replaced by Ken Jautz, the head of the tabloid-oriented sister channel HLN, the company said Friday.

...very popular and attractive anchor woman, Betty Nguyen, is leaving CNN news ...Another loss for the network: Abbie Boudreau has reportedly left....

The channel’s biggest star, Anderson Cooper, is close to leaving it behind, according TheWrap.com....Heidi Collins, who had been anchoring “CNN Newsroom” during that time, is leaving the network.

Tony Harris will no longer be with CNN at the end of this year.

2. No...it's the reason so many folks have left the left wing cables for Fox.

3. Obfuscation. The 'tea baggers' vulgar attempt to smear. The never proven smear that black representatives were spit on....most telling was that an offer of $10,000 to take a lie detector test was turned down....Pelosi's comment that the movement was 'astro turf'...all a fabrication of the left. And the attempt to use the 'extremist' tag, as you are stll trying to do.

So I guess CNN's decision to make staffing decision automatically makes it suddenly a leftist news outlet? Hardly.

Regarding Item 2, it doesn't surprise me at all that much of Fox's audience would be so ignorant as to believe such hogwash. I actually think that assumption is downright hilarious, especially since many of the right wingers who post on this board absolutely LOVE to see how far they can stretch the rules by posting porn and/or write posts with sexual innuendo injected. One can presume they are avid Fox supporters. Shall I name them?

With respect to the tea party, admit it--they've backed off a lot from their daily shout-outs finally recognizing how damaging a lot of it sounded.

Tea Party convention begins in Nashville - washingtonpost.com

Unlike the protests and town hall rage that defined the tea party movement in its first year, the convention is designed to show that the effort is "growing up," said convention spokesman Mark Skoda, chairman of the Memphis Tea Party.

How about you admit it: the left slandered every-day Americans who stood up and stated that they disagree with left wing policies.

Your link referred to the Tea Party convention as a 'feel-good gathering' of like minded individuals.

Alleged "members" of the Tea Party gained their reputation by disrupting town hall meetings in the summer of 2009 and they refused to even ALLOW a civil debate on issues. End of story. My link is one of many where the "leaders" of the TP movement have quietly asked their supporters to tone it down. And they have. End of THAT story.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Reagan never would have succeeded without the working relationship he had with Tip O'Neill. Clinton never would have succeeded without the eventual working relationship with Gingrich, but it didn't occur until Clinton's second term. Sitting Republicans despised Bill Clinton, and voters took their hatred of Clinton (because of the sex scandal) out on Al Gore. Then the USSC decision in Bush v. Gore when enraged Democrats. Are you telling me the vitiol between the parties, and especially among party subscribers, has not been uglier over the past decade than any time in history? Surely, as a quasi historian yourself (albeit knowledgeable mostly about conservative ideology), you know that it has.

Absurd.

The same argument has been used before and regularly.

Politics is, and always has been, a bloodsport.

But..you are correct about he 1997 working relationship that Clinton and Gingrich had...up until the scandal, 1998-99. "...prepared to forge a bipartisan compromise on Social Security and Medicare, a plan that was derailed when the Monica Lewinsky scandal broke."
From "The Pact," by Gillon.

Imagine how much better our nation would be ...at least fiscally, if you folks on the left didn't foist the sleazy, morally corrupt pols on the rest of us.

Oh really?

Feel free to check the list, if you dare:
Republican Sex Scandals Dwarf Those of Democrats - Salem-News.Com

Sorry...I try not to use emoticons. But that's a good one.

My point was that Clinton and Gingrich had agreed on a fix for budget-busters Medicare and Social Security...until the Lewinsky scandal.

Had Clinton been a different kind of individual, we would be viewing a different fiscal landscape.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Reagan never would have succeeded without the working relationship he had with Tip O'Neill. Clinton never would have succeeded without the eventual working relationship with Gingrich, but it didn't occur until Clinton's second term. Sitting Republicans despised Bill Clinton, and voters took their hatred of Clinton (because of the sex scandal) out on Al Gore. Then the USSC decision in Bush v. Gore when enraged Democrats. Are you telling me the vitiol between the parties, and especially among party subscribers, has not been uglier over the past decade than any time in history? Surely, as a quasi historian yourself (albeit knowledgeable mostly about conservative ideology), you know that it has.

Absurd.

The same argument has been used before and regularly.

Politics is, and always has been, a bloodsport.

But..you are correct about he 1997 working relationship that Clinton and Gingrich had...up until the scandal, 1998-99. "...prepared to forge a bipartisan compromise on Social Security and Medicare, a plan that was derailed when the Monica Lewinsky scandal broke."
From "The Pact," by Gillon.

Imagine how much better our nation would be ...at least fiscally, if you folks on the left didn't foist the sleazy, morally corrupt pols on the rest of us.

Oh really?

Feel free to check the list, if you dare:
Republican Sex Scandals Dwarf Those of Democrats - Salem-News.Com

Couldn't get your link to work...you might find this interesting. So there!

10. Sen. Daniel Inouye. The 82-year-old Hawaii Democrat was accused in the 1990s by numerous women of sexual harassment. Democrats cast doubt on the allegations and the Senate Ethics Committee dropped its investigation.

9. Former Rep. Gus Savage. The Illinois Democrat was accused of fondling a Peace Corps volunteer in 1989 while on a trip to Africa. The House Ethics Committee decided against disciplinary action in 1990.

8. Rep. Barney Frank. The outspoken Massachusetts Democrat hired a male prostitute who ran a prostitution service from Frank’s residence in the 1980s. Only two Democrats in the House of Representatives voted to censure him in 1990.

7. Former Sen. Brock Adams. The late Washington Democrat was forced to stop campaigning after numerous accusations of drugging, assault and rape, the first surfacing in 1988.

6. Former Rep. Fred Richmond. This New York Democrat was arrested in 1978 for soliciting sex from a 16-year-old. He remained in Congress and won re-election—before eventually resigning in 1982 after pleading guilty to tax evasion and drug possession.

5. Former Rep. John Young. The late Texas Democrat increased the salary of a staffer after she gave in to his sexual advances. The congressman won re-election in 1976 but lost two years later.

4. Former Rep. Wayne Hays. The late Ohio Democrat hired an unqualified secretary reportedly for sexual acts. Although he resigned from Congress, the Democratic House leadership stalled in removing him from the Administration Committee in 1976.

3. Former Rep. Gerry Studds. He was censured for sexual relationship with underage male page in 1983. Massachusetts voters returned him to office for six more terms.

2. Former Rep. Mel Reynolds. The Illinois Democrat was convicted of 12 counts of sexual assault with a 16-year-old. President Bill Clinton pardoned him before leaving office.

1. Sen. Teddy Kennedy. The liberal Massachusetts senator testified in defense of nephew accused of rape, invoking his family history to win over the jury in 1991.
Top 10 Democrat Sex Scandals in Congress - HUMAN EVENTS

 

[007]

I don't hate him.

I do.

I don't. Hate is counter productive. I'll just say I'm indifferent to him and have zero respect for him or the Democrats as a whole for that matter. Step back now. Maggie May is going to throw her whole deck of "race cards" at me now.

Magpie is absolute imbecile, and probably still has her obama hopey, changey bumper sticker on her car. Fucking idiot.

And I do hate obama, because I don't think he cares on damn bit about America. At every turn he's apologized for American exceptionalism, and his entire agenda is a radical, socialist, new world order intended to topple America and our economy. Yes, I hate him, and he can't be can't be kicked to the curb like the garbage he is too soon.

 

[MaggieMae]

Absurd.

The same argument has been used before and regularly.

Politics is, and always has been, a bloodsport.

But..you are correct about he 1997 working relationship that Clinton and Gingrich had...up until the scandal, 1998-99. "...prepared to forge a bipartisan compromise on Social Security and Medicare, a plan that was derailed when the Monica Lewinsky scandal broke."
From "The Pact," by Gillon.

Imagine how much better our nation would be ...at least fiscally, if you folks on the left didn't foist the sleazy, morally corrupt pols on the rest of us.

Oh really?

Feel free to check the list, if you dare:
Republican Sex Scandals Dwarf Those of Democrats - Salem-News.Com

Couldn't get your link to work...you might find this interesting. So there!

10. Sen. Daniel Inouye. The 82-year-old Hawaii Democrat was accused in the 1990s by numerous women of sexual harassment. Democrats cast doubt on the allegations and the Senate Ethics Committee dropped its investigation.

9. Former Rep. Gus Savage. The Illinois Democrat was accused of fondling a Peace Corps volunteer in 1989 while on a trip to Africa. The House Ethics Committee decided against disciplinary action in 1990.

8. Rep. Barney Frank. The outspoken Massachusetts Democrat hired a male prostitute who ran a prostitution service from Frank’s residence in the 1980s. Only two Democrats in the House of Representatives voted to censure him in 1990.

7. Former Sen. Brock Adams. The late Washington Democrat was forced to stop campaigning after numerous accusations of drugging, assault and rape, the first surfacing in 1988.

6. Former Rep. Fred Richmond. This New York Democrat was arrested in 1978 for soliciting sex from a 16-year-old. He remained in Congress and won re-election—before eventually resigning in 1982 after pleading guilty to tax evasion and drug possession.

5. Former Rep. John Young. The late Texas Democrat increased the salary of a staffer after she gave in to his sexual advances. The congressman won re-election in 1976 but lost two years later.

4. Former Rep. Wayne Hays. The late Ohio Democrat hired an unqualified secretary reportedly for sexual acts. Although he resigned from Congress, the Democratic House leadership stalled in removing him from the Administration Committee in 1976.

3. Former Rep. Gerry Studds. He was censured for sexual relationship with underage male page in 1983. Massachusetts voters returned him to office for six more terms.

2. Former Rep. Mel Reynolds. The Illinois Democrat was convicted of 12 counts of sexual assault with a 16-year-old. President Bill Clinton pardoned him before leaving office.

1. Sen. Teddy Kennedy. The liberal Massachusetts senator testified in defense of nephew accused of rape, invoking his family history to win over the jury in 1991.
Top 10 Democrat Sex Scandals in Congress - HUMAN EVENTS

I never claimed there aren't plenty of dem scandals, but you apparently believe the cons are pure as the driven snow. Wrong. Here, try this link (same one, different route):

Republican Sex Scandals Dwarf Those of Democrats - Salem-News.Com

And there are other links to corruption scandals.

 

[MaggieMae]

I do.

I don't. Hate is counter productive. I'll just say I'm indifferent to him and have zero respect for him or the Democrats as a whole for that matter. Step back now. Maggie May is going to throw her whole deck of "race cards" at me now.

Magpie is absolute imbecile, and probably still has her obama hopey, changey bumper sticker on her car. Fucking idiot.

And I do hate obama, because I don't think he cares on damn bit about America. At every turn he's apologized for American exceptionalism, and his entire agenda is a radical, socialist, new world order intended to topple America and our economy. Yes, I hate him, and he can't be can't be kicked to the curb like the garbage he is too soon.

^I got nuthin' but I sure sound tough...Waaaahhhh!!!

 

[skookerasbil]

The folks over at HotAir have a poll to pick the best "Obamateurism of the Year Final"

If you'd care to vote, get on over to

Poll: 2010 Obamateurism of the Year Final Hot Air

Here are the choices:

“I mean, I do think at a certain point you’ve made enough money.”


Scolding the Supreme Court over ruling that he got completely wrong during SOTU


Obama quotes Declaration, leaves out “endowed by their Creator”


Obama leaves Clinton at press conference podium on tax deal to attend Christmas party


Any you think should be in the competition?

Awesome thread.............very creative

Not sure if it was 2009 or 2010, but for sure, the best from Obama was at the press conference when the story broke about the Cambridge Incident with the black professor and Seargent Crowley. What was the immediate Obama response? "Six months on the plantation for you Crowley!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

 

[skookerasbil]

Oh really?

Feel free to check the list, if you dare:
Republican Sex Scandals Dwarf Those of Democrats - Salem-News.Com

Couldn't get your link to work...you might find this interesting. So there!

10. Sen. Daniel Inouye. The 82-year-old Hawaii Democrat was accused in the 1990s by numerous women of sexual harassment. Democrats cast doubt on the allegations and the Senate Ethics Committee dropped its investigation.

9. Former Rep. Gus Savage. The Illinois Democrat was accused of fondling a Peace Corps volunteer in 1989 while on a trip to Africa. The House Ethics Committee decided against disciplinary action in 1990.

8. Rep. Barney Frank. The outspoken Massachusetts Democrat hired a male prostitute who ran a prostitution service from Frank’s residence in the 1980s. Only two Democrats in the House of Representatives voted to censure him in 1990.

7. Former Sen. Brock Adams. The late Washington Democrat was forced to stop campaigning after numerous accusations of drugging, assault and rape, the first surfacing in 1988.

6. Former Rep. Fred Richmond. This New York Democrat was arrested in 1978 for soliciting sex from a 16-year-old. He remained in Congress and won re-election—before eventually resigning in 1982 after pleading guilty to tax evasion and drug possession.

5. Former Rep. John Young. The late Texas Democrat increased the salary of a staffer after she gave in to his sexual advances. The congressman won re-election in 1976 but lost two years later.

4. Former Rep. Wayne Hays. The late Ohio Democrat hired an unqualified secretary reportedly for sexual acts. Although he resigned from Congress, the Democratic House leadership stalled in removing him from the Administration Committee in 1976.

3. Former Rep. Gerry Studds. He was censured for sexual relationship with underage male page in 1983. Massachusetts voters returned him to office for six more terms.

2. Former Rep. Mel Reynolds. The Illinois Democrat was convicted of 12 counts of sexual assault with a 16-year-old. President Bill Clinton pardoned him before leaving office.

1. Sen. Teddy Kennedy. The liberal Massachusetts senator testified in defense of nephew accused of rape, invoking his family history to win over the jury in 1991.
Top 10 Democrat Sex Scandals in Congress - HUMAN EVENTS

I never claimed there aren't plenty of dem scandals, but you apparently believe the cons are pure as the driven snow. Wrong. Here, try this link (same one, different route):

Republican Sex Scandals Dwarf Those of Democrats - Salem-News.Com

And there are other links to corruption scandals.

indeed...........and what, did 17 people read that article??!!!!