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OK, I'm waiting for some of those real solutions pal. What is the Republican plan? What is the Tea Party plan? What is your plan?
Sit back and let the almighty market God wave his invisible hand?
Really, what do you propose?
There is no Republican plan except some empty promises to roll everything back to where it was before the Democrats took over, which, essentially,
would roll everything back to where it was when we were just going over the brink.
Good plan
OK, I'm waiting for some of those real solutions pal. What is the Republican plan? What is the Tea Party plan? What is your plan?
Sit back and let the almighty market God wave his invisible hand?
Really, what do you propose?
Why are you sitting and waiting for answers? I thouhgt you were hope and change. Where is the progressive plan? Or are you simply acknowledging your side has no plan and would like one?
Costs went up and employment went down. It doesn't get much clearer than that.
Classic ad hoc ergo propter hoc. We have raised the minimum wage many times. You should be able to show us a direct correlation between increases in minimum wages and higher unemployment. Good fucking luck with that.
True, I didn't detail all the other economic factors
Umm, you didin't detail, or even name, any. None. Nada. Zip. Zilch. The null set.
Higher costs with the same demand will stifle new hiring or even cause layoffs.
On what planet and in what econometric model? In theory, increased costs lead to higher prices.
Please show me your econometric link to layoffs. Describe the mechanism for us. Show us some math. Good fucking luck.
The expectation of higher costs is definitely a factor.
Because, apparently, you say so. Where are your empirical measurements of this supposed "expectation"? What metodology was used? By what mechanism does this expectation effect employment? How do you know?
You can discard my opinion on what is holding my business back all you want.
Let me get this straight. You're saying that your business could be selling more product but you don't invest in producing more product cause of some expectation?
Please expand here. What kind of business? What is your projected demand? What is your current production level?
How much do you plan to spend on your green economy and where are you going to get the money?
Approximately 3 trillion dollars. Most of the money will be borrowed but some can be raised with fossil fuel taxes and increased taxes on the rich.
why haven't they done that?
The Republicans literally killed hundreds of bills with the fillibuster. they shattered all records for the use of that extra-constitutional tactic.
Redistribute wealth? How so, and how much are you planning on giving away?
I intend to re-establish the distribution of wealth that existed before Ronald Reagan and the supply-side madness.
Costs went up and employment went down. It doesn't get much clearer than that.
Classic ad hoc ergo propter hoc. We have raised the minimum wage many times. You should be able to show us a direct correlation between increases in minimum wages and higher unemployment. Good fucking luck with that.
True, I didn't detail all the other economic factors
Umm, you didin't detail, or even name, any. None. Nada. Zip. Zilch. The null set.
I see no use in helping you move the goalposts. You asked a question and I answered it. If a higher minimum wage followed by a decrease in jobs isn't enough for you then there really isn't much else to say.
Higher costs with the same demand will stifle new hiring or even cause layoffs.
On what planet and in what econometric model? In theory, increased costs lead to higher prices.
Not with the same demand.
We're discussing concepts here, I'm not quoting a specific study done by a group of economists that have gotten all of this wrong.
The expectation of higher costs is definitely a factor.
Because, apparently, you say so. Where are your empirical measurements of this supposed "expectation"? What metodology was used? By what mechanism does this expectation effect employment? How do you know?
You can discard my opinion on what is holding my business back all you want.
Let me get this straight. You're saying that your business could be selling more product but you don't invest in producing more product cause of some expectation?
No. I cannot sell more product because the demand for it has not risen. A factor in my decision to not expand into other products and services is directly tied to my costs. The labor portion of those costs increased. The labor and tax portions of those costs are expected in increase in 2 months. That's what is holding my business back.
Please expand here. What kind of business? What is your projected demand? What is your current production level?
I'm not going to post specifics of my business to unknowns.
First I ccould care less what the Tea Party plan is, and second, I could care less what the Republican plan is as well, as you automatically assume that because I am of the opinion that this current President as well as the last one have little if any skills in economic Management that for some reason, I am a tea party member. As you asked, I will tell you where to start, the next election perhaps run a qualified candidate that has more experience that just being a candidate or the son of a former President with little experinece beyond that. Other things that can be done is start with DoD purchasing, and completly revamp it, so that when an item is purchased it is done so on a fixed cost basis, and in most cases a single source. ( look at F-35 Alternate Engine for current issues).
Economic stimulus was a failure.
If you are clueless and call turning Great Depression II into a medium sized recession, yup, failure. If you have clue one, you say the stimulus worked but should have been bigger.
Solar cells are not efficient enough to use on a large scale at this point.
Sure they are. You just have to put them in the right places and be able to get the juice where it needs to go.
How does this record breaking performance record grab you? Dems were elected in 2006 to take over congress. They took office in January 2007. Look what happened to the workforce & the economy after they took over.
Fail.
1. Your x-axis only covers the range of 58-64, making the figure visually appear much more dramatic than it actually is.
2. Employment is a lagging indicator.
3. If you believe employment is inextricably linked to Congress in the short term, you have no concept of how the economy works.
1. The drop in employment & workforce are extremely dramatic no matter where you move the axis.
2. Employment is not always a lagging indicator! Employment plunged prior to the stock market.
3. The chart speaks to Democrats in Congress fucking up Jobs & the Economy.
All of the right wing nut jobs are quite testy today.
Fail.
1. Your x-axis only covers the range of 58-64, making the figure visually appear much more dramatic than it actually is.
2. Employment is a lagging indicator.
3. If you believe employment is inextricably linked to Congress in the short term, you have no concept of how the economy works.
1. The drop in employment & workforce are extremely dramatic no matter where you move the axis.
2. Employment is not always a lagging indicator! Employment plunged prior to the stock market.
3. The chart speaks to Democrats in Congress fucking up Jobs & the Economy.
What happened to 2001-2003???? If we're only looking at stats 3 years AFTER the POTUS took office, then Obama's shouldn't start until 2011. Otherwise, it's an invalid comparison.
The Republican Congress raised the minimum wage twice in the 90's. Did it cause a recession? Hardly.
How did it affect the manufacturing sector and other labor intensive jobs that could move overseas? Those jobs are gone and aren't coming back. This recession proves it.
The last recession officially ended July 2009. The last minimum wage increase occurred in July 2009.
When did it start and how is employment these days?
You want to make us competitive with overseas factories where they build i-phones for 30 cents an hour?
OK, I'm waiting for some of those real solutions pal. What is the Republican plan? What is the Tea Party plan? What is your plan?
Sit back and let the almighty market God wave his invisible hand?
Really, what do you propose?
There is no Republican plan except some empty promises to roll everything back to where it was before the Democrats took over, which, essentially,
would roll everything back to where it was when we were just going over the brink.
Good planLike we discussed, before......Where ARE all o' those jobs, that were SUPPOSED to be a result of the (pre$ent) BUSH TAX-CUTS??!!!!
I expect our definitions of "ample" vary wildly.I've heard you like to lick yogurt off of hobo's feet.
Your inability to refute it proves it.
You don't have to refute a claim for which no evidence is presented. The OP presents ample evidence, point by point.
OK, I'm waiting for some of those real solutions pal. What is the Republican plan? What is the Tea Party plan? What is your plan?
Sit back and let the almighty market God wave his invisible hand?
Really, what do you propose?
Why are you sitting and waiting for answers? I thouhgt you were hope and change. Where is the progressive plan? Or are you simply acknowledging your side has no plan and would like one?
Especially with the same demand! I'm selling widgets. My costs went up 2%. My expected demand stays stable. I cut production? On what fucking planet?
Costs went up and employment went down. It doesn't get much clearer than that.
Classic ad hoc ergo propter hoc. We have raised the minimum wage many times. You should be able to show us a direct correlation between increases in minimum wages and higher unemployment. Good fucking luck with that.
True, I didn't detail all the other economic factors
Umm, you didin't detail, or even name, any. None. Nada. Zip. Zilch. The null set.
I see no use in helping you move the goalposts. You asked a question and I answered it. If a higher minimum wage followed by a decrease in jobs isn't enough for you then there really isn't much else to say.
Not with the same demand.
We're discussing concepts here, I'm not quoting a specific study done by a group of economists that have gotten all of this wrong.
No. I cannot sell more product because the demand for it has not risen. A factor in my decision to not expand into other products and services is directly tied to my costs. The labor portion of those costs increased. The labor and tax portions of those costs are expected in increase in 2 months. That's what is holding my business back.
Please expand here. What kind of business? What is your projected demand? What is your current production level?
I'm not going to post specifics of my business to unknowns.
Wingnuts can't even run a fictional business that they make up on the internet
If your costs (including taxes) are greater than the price you can sell it for, you're out of business because you're an incomptent businessperson.
If you costs (including taxes) are less than the selling price, you make a profit. If you can make a profit, and there is demand for the product, then why wouldn't you produce more?
Laughable.
You misunderstand: The Democrats haven't done anything beneficial...unless you're a Democrat special interest group.I expect our definitions of "ample" vary wildly.
If the Democrats haven't done anything, why are so many on the right throwing fits over what they claim are all the terrible things the Democrats have done?
