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I'm enjoying the crap out of it. Nice to see government on the side of working people again.
You're on the side of forcing members to pay for political activities they disagree with?
How is that a good thing for unions or the membership?
The reputation of unions has been severely tarnished because of their political activities. Forcing membership to pay for those political activities just gives more ammo to the right-to-work movement.
Unions have a place -- if they prove valuable, and if they don't minimize their perceived value by seeming like a old-fashioned Chicago-style arm of the Democrat party.
Instead of showing their value, they keep shooting themselves in the foot by overplaying.
You're right. There are some union members who are too stupid to realize that the Republicans are NOT their friends.
Hell, I fell for it for years.
doesn't take away from teh fact, if those guys don't like what the union leadershp is doing, they have the option of running for that leadership or supporting leaders that reflect their views.
"HEy, guys, let's sign on for the "Work Harder for Less M oney and Less Rights" Platform! Um.. guys. Guys? "
And until then they should be forced to contribute to political campaigns they disagree with or lose their job.
Sorry -- that's not going to fly. Unions are losing ground. They're not showing their worth to prospective members. They're going to keep withering.
Forcing people to contribute to political campaigns will not be worth the little bit of extra money they get. They need to gather their best stories and launch a good PR campaign to get the public and especially prospective dues-paying members on their side.
Unions are hastening the decline of any help they could give to the middle class and the NLRB is doing them no favors.
Then what are you whining about, then?
Simple solution. Get Corporate AND Union money out of elections. Public financing of elections, NOBODY can contribute more than $100, no Pacs, or SUper Pacs and very limited spending by parties.
If the Unions were supporting Republicans, you'd have no problem with this rule.
by Dr. Susan Berry
29 Dec 2012
While politicians have kept the focus on the fiscal cliff and displaced anger toward law-abiding citizens who own guns, the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) was able to quietly overturn longstanding precedents to give unions some Christmas gifts that will ultimately hand them a windfall.
In the steamrolling style that is now the hallmark of the Obama administration and its extensions, the NLRB voted 3-1 to gut the Supreme Courts 1988 Communication Workers of America v. Beck decision, whereby union workers in non-right-to-work states were able to withhold the portion of their dues that unions spend on political activism. The NLRB now allows that unions no longer are required to provide proof, through audits of their finances, to so-called Beck objectors that their money is not spent on union politics.
In addition to saving unions from mandatory financial audits, the NLRB also decided that lobbying expenses are now chargeable to [Beck] objectors, to the extent that they are germane to collective bargaining, contract administration, or grievance adjustment.
These new rules mean that workers who are forced to join unions and pay union dues have less control than ever over how their money is spent by union leaders. Labor bosses can now spend those funds on just about any lobbying expense whatsoever and never have to justify it.
Read more at:
Obama's NLRB Plays Santa to Unions
Without union money Obama never would have been re-elected.
And until then they should be forced to contribute to political campaigns they disagree with or lose their job.
Sorry -- that's not going to fly. Unions are losing ground. They're not showing their worth to prospective members. They're going to keep withering.
Forcing people to contribute to political campaigns will not be worth the little bit of extra money they get. They need to gather their best stories and launch a good PR campaign to get the public and especially prospective dues-paying members on their side.
Unions are hastening the decline of any help they could give to the middle class and the NLRB is doing them no favors.
Then what are you whining about, then?
Simple solution. Get Corporate AND Union money out of elections. Public financing of elections, NOBODY can contribute more than $100, no Pacs, or SUper Pacs and very limited spending by parties.
If the Unions were supporting Republicans, you'd have no problem with this rule.
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Here's a really big difference: CEO's spend their money on lobbying, unions spend my money on their lobbying.
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No matter who is supporting whom, I have a SERIOUS problem with that rule. Namely: it is a violation of the 1st Amendment, and a blatant one.
Dude, you prove on a daily basis that you are as dumb as a bag of hammers.
You have to understand Joe:Obama civilian army he promised us...to disrupt our lives
We see they are already creating havoc in some areas..
enjoy it, you all voted for it
I'm enjoying the crap out of it. Nice to see government on the side of working people again.
You're on the side of forcing members to pay for political activities they disagree with?
How is that a good thing for unions or the membership?
The reputation of unions has been severely tarnished because of their political activities. Forcing membership to pay for those political activities just gives more ammo to the right-to-work movement.
Unions have a place -- if they prove valuable, and if they don't minimize their perceived value by seeming like a old-fashioned Chicago-style arm of the Democrat party.
Instead of showing their value, they keep shooting themselves in the foot by overplaying.
JOEb131 opined:
"if those guys don't like what the union leadershp is doing, they have the option of running for that leadership or supporting leaders that reflect their views."
Conveniently forgetting that those union members who are forced to donate part of their hard earned money to thugs who promote political views they don't support, have NO OPTION of not being members of the union.
Obama civilian army he promised us...to disrupt our lives
We see they are already creating havoc in some areas..
enjoy it, you all voted for it
I'm enjoying the crap out of it. Nice to see government on the side of working people again.
Two governments that are on the side of working people: State governments of Michigan and Wisconsin, as recent examples.
JOEb131 opined:
"if those guys don't like what the union leadershp is doing, they have the option of running for that leadership or supporting leaders that reflect their views."
Conveniently forgetting that those union members who are forced to donate part of their hard earned money to thugs who promote political views they don't support, have NO OPTION of not being members of the union.
Really?...
That's a quick way to end up dead. The cemeteries are full of those that opposed the Marxist leadership in the unions of America. Then there are those that just disappear from the face of the earth.
Why is it that there is no secret balloting in unions?
Please tell me I'm wrong..
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Here's a really big difference: CEO's spend their money on lobbying, unions spend my money on their lobbying.
I thought you weren't a member of a union?
Let's be blunt. What has your tit in a wringer is that the Unions used their money to get the black guy re-elected.
Dude, you prove on a daily basis that you are as dumb as a bag of hammers.
Dude, you prove on a daily basis you need anger management therapy...
The very fact that you go to bat for turds like the Koch brothers who would leave you a bloody smear on the pavement if you got in their way shows that you suffer from some kind of Stockholm Syndrome... you need to sympathize with your abusers.
Dude, you prove on a daily basis that you are as dumb as a bag of hammers.
Dude, you prove on a daily basis you need anger management therapy...
The very fact that you go to bat for turds like the Koch brothers who would leave you a bloody smear on the pavement if you got in their way shows that you suffer from some kind of Stockholm Syndrome... you need to sympathize with your abusers.
At this point, I'm not sure if you are projecting, hallucinating, lying, or actually mentally ill. I care not at all for the Koch brothers.
No, actually, I merely believe they should have exactly the same right to free speech as anyone else. You, of course, despise free speech for anyone disagreeing with you.
No, actually, I merely believe they should have exactly the same right to free speech as anyone else. You, of course, despise free speech for anyone disagreeing with you.
I have no problem with the Koch Brothers having free speech... as long as we know it's them and not some paid shill or astro-turf TEA Party.
But I doubt the Koch Bros. want average Americans knowing what they look like lest they have to walk down the street.
No, actually, I merely believe they should have exactly the same right to free speech as anyone else. You, of course, despise free speech for anyone disagreeing with you.
I have no problem with the Koch Brothers having free speech... as long as we know it's them and not some paid shill or astro-turf TEA Party.
But I doubt the Koch Bros. want average Americans knowing what they look like lest they have to walk down the street.
