What America would look like with strict gun laws

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    By: DrJohn


    Following the Newtown massacre there has been an outcry from the left for more and tougher gun laws. Sen. Dianne Feinstein has proposed another assault weapons ban with more teeth than the previous ban. Exactly what are consequences of tough gun laws? Let us construct a hypothetical place with some strict gun laws:

    Let’s regulate the sale, possession and use of firearms.
    Let’s regulate ammunition.
    Let’s insist that those possessing firearms have a Firearm Owners Identification (FOID) card.
    Let’s ban automatic firearms, short-barreled shotguns and short-barreled rifles.
    Let’s ban assault weapons.
    Let’s ban magazines that can hold more than 10 or 12 rounds of ammunition.
    Let’s deny gun ownership to those who have been convicted of a felony or an act of domestic violence, are the subject of an order of protection, have been convicted of assault or battery or been a patient in a mental institution within the last five years, have been adjudicated as a mental defective, or are illegal immigrants.​

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    Unfortunately Chicago (whence you got the figures) is not a country. So regardless what the laws inside the city are, all you have to do is ride in from Gary or Benton Harbor and go to town.

    Sorry to burst the bubble but this fantasy doesn't work. Unless Dianne Feinstein is proposing a law for the city of Chicago.
     
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    Rahm Emanuel wants America to be like Chicago.

    This is Chicago:


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    Doesn't matter. You're still trying to compare a city and a country if I understand your premise. And a massive urban area at that.
     
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    The GOP wants the nation to be a dump like the south where murders and violent crime is the norm such as in Louisiana, Alabama, and Mississippi.

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    Hmm... Last time I looked, Federal law out trumps city and state law.
     
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    Are you claiming that there is more crime per capita in the South rather than in Chicago and New York?
     
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    This Debate you are all having isnt premised on guns, its on economic conditions and cultural problems. The reason that Chicago has so many gun crimes is because of its inhabitants economic condition, they commit crimes with guns because its the only way they see fit to handle the mess they are living in. Similarly the south has a great deal of poor and uneducated rural areas that invites gun violence because they see no other way out of there situation and turn to violence. Gun crimes in these areas have little to do with gun laws and more to do with the offenders economic and cultural conditions
     
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    Yeah, exactly.

    I'm not sure what's unclear about this-- federal laws would cover everywhere; Chicago law covers the city limits of Chicago. Therefore if I live in Chicago and I can't get the guns I want, all I have to do is drive over to Michigan, or Wisonsin or Indiana. Or downstate Illinois. Therefore these Chicago stats as a reflection of its own laws are pretty much meaningless. With a federal law you can't do that.

    IOW you're trying to compare the effect of a city ordinance with that of a federal law. Apples and oranges.
     
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    Quite correct, and that's the other factor. That's why I noted Chicago is a "massive urban area". That's quite a different environment from a nation, unless the entire nation was a massive urban area. Everyday life in Chicago is a wee bit different from everyday life in Montpelier.
     

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