Obama's lie verses GWB's non-lie

[bedowin62]

Did Bush lie?

He had limited support for his Iraq invasion plans. But he had a blank check to fight terrorism. So what could he do?

Start cooking rumors that Saddam had WMDs and would give them to TERRORISTS
The smoking gun will be a mushroom cloud. We must stop them NOW. Time is of the essence

His lies killed 5000 Americans

In his grand plan he enlisted Hillary, Kerry, William Clinton and many other democrat officials. And of course as a true liberal you sully those who VOLUNTEERED to fight for our country while you sat on you ass carping about what they were doing.

At least the objectives were met in Iraq, even though the liberals lie about that also. But Afghanistan? Obama has sent 1690 men to their death in Afghanistan, 19 this year alone. Then admits it was a failure.

Saddam was an ass who needed taken out. He used WMD against his own people. He caused and ecological disaster when he left Kuwait. His sons were rapists at best. He was much more of a threat to US interests then Serbia ever was so don't start with your two faced BS. The ones doing the lying, a plainly shown in this thread are the Bush haters. The truth is you can't help yourself it is in your blood.

Bush planned his invasion of Iraq from the day he took office. His problem was he needed a pretext to invade. As soon as 9-11 occurred, Bush asked if it could be tied to Saddam Hussein. When the answer came back no, he needed another way to tie Iraq to his war on terror
America gave Bush a War on Terror Card. Anything Bush claimed was needed to fight terrorism was approved. Homeland Security, Patriot Act, Gitmo...you name it, you got it

So Bush started planting rumors. Iraq, without question had WMDs. They would pass these WMDs on to terrorists and we would pay the price. We didn't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud do we?
We need to invade before it is too late

Most Democrats in Congress had the guts to tell Bush NO!. Some were afraid to be labled "soft on terrorism" so they gave Bush his war

It cost over 5000 Americans their lives

YAWN
so how IS the war crimes trial and proving the "lies" going?

 

[rightwinger]

Lets see what other Democrats had to say on Iraq

After Sept. 11, after witnessing the carnage and destruction, the dust and the tears, I supported this administration's pledge to hunt down and root out those who would slaughter innocents in the name of intolerance, and I would willingly take up arms myself to prevent such tragedy from happening again. I don't oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism.

What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other armchair, weekend warriors in this administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income — to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression. That's what I'm opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.




Transcript: Obama's Speech Against The Iraq War : NPR

 

[bedowin62]

Lets see what other Democrats had to say on Iraq



Transcript: Obama's Speech Against The Iraq War : NPR

is this the same Iraq War that a majority of Dems funded for a decade?

THAT Iraq War?

 

[healthmyths]

The liberals like to keep defending Obama's lies about Benghazi with the lie that GWB lied about weapons of mass destruction. But GWB didn't lie, although he may have been wrong. On the other hand there is no doubt that Obama and Rice made claims that were not true.

The following should set the record straight concerning the lie about GWB.

George Bush lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. This is a charge that has been repeated ad nauseum by opponents of the war, but the claim that Bush "lied" about stockpiles of WMDs doesn't hold up to the least bit of scrutiny.
Once you understand one crucial fact, that numerous prominent Democrats with access to intelligence data also openly declared and obviously believed that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, it becomes nearly impossible for a rational person to believe that Bush lied about WMDs in Iraq. We're not talking about small fry or just proponents of the war either. The aforementioned Democrats include Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, John Kerry, John Edwards, Robert Byrd, Henry Waxman, Tom Daschle, and Nancy Pelosi among many, many others. Just to hammer the point home, here's a quote from the 800 pound gorilla of the Democratic Party, Hillary Clinton, that was made on Oct 8, 2002:

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security."

To believe that George Bush lied about WMDs is to believe that there is a vast conspiracy to lie about WMDs that goes to the highest level of both parties & that stretches across both the pro and anti-war movements.

It's just not possible -- and that's before we even consider the numerous other pieces of exculpating evidence like: all the non-American intelligence agencies that also believed Saddam had WMDs, CIA Director George Tenet famously saying it was a "'slam-dunk' that Hussein possessed the banned weapons", the once secret Downing Street Memo which certainly proves that our allies in Britain believed Saddam had WMDs...

"For instance, what were the consequences, if Saddam used WMD on day one, or if Baghdad did not collapse and urban warfighting began? You said that Saddam could also use his WMD on Kuwait. Or on Israel, added the Defence Secretary."

...and of course, that we did find warheads designed to carry chemical warfare agents and artillery shells filled with mustard gas & sarin (even though they were small in number and weren't recently made).

When you add it all up, it appears that George Bush, like a lot of other people, was wrong about Saddam Hussein having stockpiles of WMDs. But without question, he did not lie about it.
John Hawkins: Debunking 8 Anti-War Myths About The Conflict In Iraq

32 democrat quotes indicate even before GWB that Saddam was a threat!

"..deny Iraq the capacity to develop WMD".Bill Clinton,1998
"..most brutal dictators of Century", Biden,1998
"Iraq compliance with Resolution 687 becomes shell game"..Daschle 1998
"He will use those WMDs again,as he has ten times since 1983" ..Berger Clinton Ntl. Secur. Advr 1998
"posed by Iraq's refusal to end its WMD programs" Levin 1998
"Saddam has been engaged in development of WMDs which is a threat.."Pelosi 1998 WHERE'D SHE GET THIS INFORMATION BEFORE BUSH?
"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building WMDS.."Albright 1999
"Saddam to refine delivery systems, that will threaten the US..."Graham 2001
"Saddam has ignored the mandate of the UN and is building WMDs and the means to deliver.." Levin 2002
"Iraq's search for WMDs ...will continue as long as Saddam's in power"..Gore 2002
"Saddam retains stockpiles of WMDS.."Byrd 2002
"..give President authority to use force..to disarm Saddam because an arsenal of WMDs..threat our security"..Kerry 2002
"..Unmistakable evidence Saddam developing nuclear weapons next 5 years.."Rockefeller 2002
"Violated over 11 years every UN resolution demanding disarming WMDs.."Waxman 2002
"He's given aid,comfort & sanctuary to al Qaeda members..and keep developing WMDs"..Hillary 2002
"Compelling evidence Saddam has WMDs production storage capacity.." Graham 2002
"Without a question, we need to disarm Saddam. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime .... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction .... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...."Kerry , Jan. 23. 2003.

 

[healthmyths]

And if the Bush admin had ever found the WMDs they described they would have shouted it from the roof tops.

Anyone who says different should be prosecuted for propaganda aiding and abetting the enemy.

How about then prosecuting these people one of whom would NOT be president !!!
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid(D) "The war is lost, the surge is not accomplishing anything "

U.S. Rep. John Murtha(D) "Our troops killed innocent civilians in cold blood,”

Senator Kerry (D) "American soldiers going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children."

Durbin (D) "must have been done by Nazis, Soviets"--action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners.
Senator Obama said "troops are air-raiding villages and killing civilians,"

The principle these people crushed was you don't give the enemy ammunition.
Each one of the above statements was used by the enemy. Yes it might have been made out of context but the enemy didn't care!
Proof that this contributed to 4,000 more deaths in Iraq?

This Harvard study found here THE "EMBOLDENMENT EFFECT"

asked: "Are insurgents in Iraq emboldened by voices in the news media expressing dissent or calling for troop withdrawals from Iraq?

The short answer is YES!!! according to Radha Iyengar, a Robert Wood Johnson Scholar in health policy
research at Harvard and Jonathan Monten of the Belfer Center at the university's Kennedy School of Government.

STUDY ABSTRACT
Are insurgents affected by information on US casualty sensitivity? Using data on attacks and variation in access to international news across Iraqi provinces, we identify an “emboldenment” effect by comparing the rate of insurgent attacks in areas with higher and lower access to information about U.S news after public statements critical of the war. (wouldn't you conclude the next president accusing the US military of methodically and systematically air raiding villages killing civilians.. dissent???) We find in periods after a spike in war-critical statements, insurgent attacks increases by 5-10 percent.

So you terrorist lovers and traitors don't seem to comprehend YOU caused those additional 6,516 deaths ARE AT YOUR FEET and traitors
like you that WANTED TO SEE Americans killed.. when you agree with the above statements!

 

[rightwinger]

Lets see what other Democrats had to say on Iraq



Transcript: Obama's Speech Against The Iraq War : NPR

is this the same Iraq War that a majority of Dems funded for a decade?

THAT Iraq War?

Lets see

So Republicans start a stupendous blunder of a war and then dare Democrats to leave our soldiers there without funding

 

[hangover]

Obama's lie verses GWB's non-lie

This is great fodder to fire up the ignorant cons. They eat that shit up. But the hater cons are only 34%, the other 66% know for a fact that Shrub's "yellow cake" was a lie, and it got 5,000 Americans killed, and 50,000 came home without arms and legs.

That's a much bigger lie!

 

[healthmyths]

Did Bush lie?

He had limited support for his Iraq invasion plans. But he had a blank check to fight terrorism. So what could he do?

Start cooking rumors that Saddam had WMDs and would give them to TERRORISTS
The smoking gun will be a mushroom cloud. We must stop them NOW. Time is of the essence

His lies killed 5000 Americans

In his grand plan he enlisted Hillary, Kerry, William Clinton and many other democrat officials. And of course as a true liberal you sully those who VOLUNTEERED to fight for our country while you sat on you ass carping about what they were doing.

At least the objectives were met in Iraq, even though the liberals lie about that also. But Afghanistan? Obama has sent 1690 men to their death in Afghanistan, 19 this year alone. Then admits it was a failure.

Saddam was an ass who needed taken out. He used WMD against his own people. He caused and ecological disaster when he left Kuwait. His sons were rapists at best. He was much more of a threat to US interests then Serbia ever was so don't start with your two faced BS. The ones doing the lying, a plainly shown in this thread are the Bush haters. The truth is you can't help yourself it is in your blood.

Bush planned his invasion of Iraq from the day he took office. His problem was he needed a pretext to invade. As soon as 9-11 occurred, Bush asked if it could be tied to Saddam Hussein. When the answer came back no, he needed another way to tie Iraq to his war on terror
America gave Bush a War on Terror Card. Anything Bush claimed was needed to fight terrorism was approved. Homeland Security, Patriot Act, Gitmo...you name it, you got it

So Bush started planting rumors. Iraq, without question had WMDs. They would pass these WMDs on to terrorists and we would pay the price. We didn't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud do we?
We need to invade before it is too late

Most Democrats in Congress had the guts to tell Bush NO!. Some were afraid to be labled "soft on terrorism" so they gave Bush his war

It cost over 5000 Americans their lives

you said.."His problem was he needed a pretext to invade."
Were you aware that the 1991 "Desert Storm" was NEVER over? The "1991 Cease Fire" was agreed to by Saddam which included:
"Resolution 687, which was adopted in April 1991, imposed disarmament obligations on Iraq that were conditions of the cease-fire signed at the end of the Gulf War, during which another U.S.-led coalition drove Baghdad's troops from Kuwait.
"It has long been recognized and understood that a material breach of these obligations removes the basis of the cease-fire and revives the authority to use force under Resolution 678," Negroponte wrote. "In view of Iraq's material breaches, the basis for the cease-fire has been removed, and use of force is authorized."
U.S. Cites 1991 U.N. Cease-Fire Resolution as the Legal Basis for Its Invasion - Los Angeles Times

OK.. next point:"It cost over 5000 Americans"
"Mission Accomplished" May 1,2003 after 6 weeks of conflict with less then 100 lives lost.
What happened afterwards was traitors like YOU and others that according to HARVARD studies prolonged the conflict.
Here is the study and if you doubt it how about this common sense illustration.
Say you are at the free throw line to win the game. AND ALL THE CROWD including your teammates, your parents, your friends are BOOING YOU!
All booing you ! All your relatives, your girlfriend!!!
And so here is what LEADING Democrats said about our troops and military...
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid(D) "The war is lost, the surge is not accomplishing anything "

U.S. Rep. John Murtha(D) "Our troops killed innocent civilians in cold blood,”

Senator Kerry (D) "American soldiers going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children."

Durbin (D) "must have been done by Nazis, Soviets"--action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners.
Senator Obama said "troops are air-raiding villages and killing civilians,"

YOU don't think the troops were demoralized to hear that and if you aren't totally DUMB the terrorists USED these encouraging words to recruit!
And idiots like YOU should be prosecuted for treason!

 

[Camp]

Lets see what other Democrats had to say on Iraq



Transcript: Obama's Speech Against The Iraq War : NPR

is this the same Iraq War that a majority of Dems funded for a decade?

THAT Iraq War?

We broke it so we bought it. And nobody has wanted to cut and run the way Reagan did. The repercussions from that were horrible and have a direct link to 9/11 and Bush's war in Iraq.
You don't do do-overs when you commit troops into a war zone. You stand behind them and you support their effort. That means standing behind the CiC as much as possible, no matter which party he belongs to or what your political feeling may be. The first priority are the troops in the field and you hope the politicians will be team players. One must also keep in mind the promises of support made to allies, including the ones that are citizens of the country that has been invaded.

 

[bedowin62]

Lets see what other Democrats had to say on Iraq



Transcript: Obama's Speech Against The Iraq War : NPR

is this the same Iraq War that a majority of Dems funded for a decade?

THAT Iraq War?

We broke it so we bought it. And nobody has wanted to cut and run the way Reagan did. The repercussions from that were horrible and have a direct link to 9/11 and Bush's war in Iraq.
You don't do do-overs when you commit troops into a war zone. You stand behind them and you support their effort. That means standing behind the CiC as much as possible, no matter which party he belongs to or what your political feeling may be. The first priority are the troops in the field and you hope the politicians will be team players. One must also keep in mind the promises of support made to allies, including the ones that are citizens of the country that has been invaded.

yawn

wrong again leftard.
it was Carter that installed the Mullahs in Iran that blew up the barracks in Lebanon and now threaten the world with their nuke program

 

[Jarhead]

Lets see what other Democrats had to say on Iraq



Transcript: Obama's Speech Against The Iraq War : NPR

is this the same Iraq War that a majority of Dems funded for a decade?

THAT Iraq War?

Lets see

So Republicans start a stupendous blunder of a war and then dare Democrats to leave our soldiers there without funding

No. That is childish spin.

Properly said....

Congress reviewed the intel of NUMEROUS NATIONS and they all came to the conclusion that there were WMD's in Iraq. Furthermore, the administration AND Congress determined the best course of action was to threaten military action and set an exact date of attack if the Hussein Regime did not comply 100% with the terms of the treaty that ended the Gulf War.

Whereas Hussein gave a simple impression of conforming to the terms, his insistence to limit viewing times and locations of different facilities were deemed by Congress and the administration to be antagonistic and not in the spirit of the terms of the treaty.

So Congress voted, With ayes from both parties (albeit somewhat lopsided) to allow the CiC to attack.

The ensuing administration opted to adhere to his campaign promise and pull all troops out as soon as possible...with the hopes of little damage to the fragile democracy...and he systematically pulled troops out with the plan being pull some, train the locals...pull some more, train the locals....until they were properly trained and all our troops are home.

Unfortunately, the system failed. Yes, he got the troops home...but that was the easy part. His plan to maintain a democracy in Iraq while he did it failed miserably.

Still not sure why some of you still see him as a great president. I truly don't get it.

 

[Camp]

is this the same Iraq War that a majority of Dems funded for a decade?

THAT Iraq War?

We broke it so we bought it. And nobody has wanted to cut and run the way Reagan did. The repercussions from that were horrible and have a direct link to 9/11 and Bush's war in Iraq.
You don't do do-overs when you commit troops into a war zone. You stand behind them and you support their effort. That means standing behind the CiC as much as possible, no matter which party he belongs to or what your political feeling may be. The first priority are the troops in the field and you hope the politicians will be team players. One must also keep in mind the promises of support made to allies, including the ones that are citizens of the country that has been invaded.

yawn

wrong again leftard.
it was Carter that installed the Mullahs in Iran that blew up the barracks in Lebanon and now threaten the world with their nuke program

If Reagan hadn't cut and run the terrorism we have today would not exist.

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[rightwinger]

is this the same Iraq War that a majority of Dems funded for a decade?

THAT Iraq War?

Lets see

So Republicans start a stupendous blunder of a war and then dare Democrats to leave our soldiers there without funding

No. That is childish spin.

Properly said....

Congress reviewed the intel of NUMEROUS NATIONS and they all came to the conclusion that there were WMD's in Iraq. Furthermore, the administration AND Congress determined the best course of action was to threaten military action and set an exact date of attack if the Hussein Regime did not comply 100% with the terms of the treaty that ended the Gulf War.

Whereas Hussein gave a simple impression of conforming to the terms, his insistence to limit viewing times and locations of different facilities were deemed by Congress and the administration to be antagonistic and not in the spirit of the terms of the treaty.

So Congress voted, With ayes from both parties (albeit somewhat lopsided) to allow the CiC to attack.

The ensuing administration opted to adhere to his campaign promise and pull all troops out as soon as possible...with the hopes of little damage to the fragile democracy...and he systematically pulled troops out with the plan being pull some, train the locals...pull some more, train the locals....until they were properly trained and all our troops are home.

Unfortunately, the system failed. Yes, he got the troops home...but that was the easy part. His plan to maintain a democracy in Iraq while he did it failed miserably.

Still not sure why some of you still see him as a great president. I truly don't get it.

I'm am afraid you are the one with a childish spin

Once our CIC has made a decision to commit our soldiers to war, it is too late to pull the plug on funding. This country does not leave our soldiers high and dry. Your childish taunt of....Why did Democrats vote to fund the war?
Shows how desperate you are

 

[AmericanFirst]

Lets see what other Democrats had to say on Iraq



Transcript: Obama's Speech Against The Iraq War : NPR

is this the same Iraq War that a majority of Dems funded for a decade?

THAT Iraq War?

Lets see

So Republicans start a stupendous blunder of a war and then dare Democrats to leave our soldiers there without funding

Lets see, you lie and think people should believe you? What an idiot.

 

[rightwinger]

is this the same Iraq War that a majority of Dems funded for a decade?

THAT Iraq War?

Lets see

So Republicans start a stupendous blunder of a war and then dare Democrats to leave our soldiers there without funding

Lets see, you lie and think people should believe you? What an idiot.

It usually helps your case if you can back it up somehow

Show me a lie

 

[AmericanFirst]

Lets see

So Republicans start a stupendous blunder of a war and then dare Democrats to leave our soldiers there without funding

Lets see, you lie and think people should believe you? What an idiot.

It usually helps your case if you can back it up somehow

Show me a lie

Everytime you open your libtard mouth. Dimwits said hussein had wmd's before GWB got in office and then voted to go into Iraq and Afghanistan, then turned face, as always. YOU LIE!!!!!!!

 

[rightwinger]

lets see, you lie and think people should believe you? What an idiot.

it usually helps your case if you can back it up somehow

show me a lie

everytime you open your libtard mouth. Dimwits said hussein had wmd's before gwb got in office and then voted to go into iraq and afghanistan, then turned face, as always. You lie!!!!!!!

fail

 

[depotoo]

it usually helps your case if you can back it up somehow

show me a lie

everytime you open your libtard mouth. Dimwits said hussein had wmd's before gwb got in office and then voted to go into iraq and afghanistan, then turned face, as always. You lie!!!!!!!

fail

Yes, you did.

 

[Camp]

Lets see, you lie and think people should believe you? What an idiot.

It usually helps your case if you can back it up somehow

Show me a lie

Everytime you open your libtard mouth. Dimwits said hussein had wmd's before GWB got in office and then voted to go into Iraq and Afghanistan, then turned face, as always. YOU LIE!!!!!!!

Um, Iraq did have WMD's before GWD, thanks to the USA and especially a dude by the name of Donald Rumsfeld. Than, we had this little thing called Desert Storm, often referred to as the Persian Gulf War. We won and the Iraq guys agreed to give up all the WMD's and agreed to let us inspect their country to make sure they were complying with the agreement.
As far as Dimwits voting to go to war with Iraq. That is what the lying is all about. The Pres and his crew lied about Iraq still having WMD, for sure, without a doubt is what they said. Plus they claimed to have secret information about connections between Saddam and the 9/11 dudes called al Qaeda, also turned out to be a lie.
Hope this helps you get a grasp on the issue.

 

[ClosedCaption]

WTF is a non lie?