Obama will be blackmailed (possibly many times)

[Care4all]

Bush lowered taxes for MY family. As his tax plan passed my family was just starting to make more than what IEC helped with. Bush's tax plan took the CHILD TAX CREDIT from $500 a year per child to $1000 a year per child. I have 4 children that I claim on my taxes. That equals up to $2000 per year in extra money that I get every year. I get most of that in a check from them.

Child Tax Credit

I'm guessing you don't have kids or didn't notice that part of it.

If you aren't blessed with Children, and were middle income (15%) tax bracket, you did not get a tax bracket rate deduction similar to those in the higher tax brackets.

The Child tax credit helped a great many, but not those without children.

The EIC credit increase helped those with lower incomes, but again, if you were smack in the middle income 15% bracket, this did not reduce your taxes either...

Just saying, some people got GREAT tax cuts/credits with Bush's plan, even if not in the higher brackets that got HUGE tax bracket percentage reductions, IF they HAD children, or had young adult children going to college etc....

But if you were without children, as matt and me, there was minimal, very minimal, tax relief under president Bush's plan....

Care

 

[Gord]

If you aren't blessed with Children, and were middle income (15%) tax bracket, you did not get a tax bracket rate deduction similar to those in the higher tax brackets.

The Child tax credit helped a great many, but not those without children.

The EIC credit increase helped those with lower incomes, but again, if you were smack in the middle income 15% bracket, this did not reduce your taxes either...

Just saying, some people got GREAT tax cuts/credits with Bush's plan, even if not in the higher brackets that got HUGE tax bracket percentage reductions, IF they HAD children, or had young adult children going to college etc....

But if you were without children, as matt and me, there was minimal, very minimal, tax relief under president Bush's plan....

Care

 

[Gunny]

exactly right!

I wonder where the righties are to call Gord a fucking winger and retard?

I was out partying, if it's okay with you. Some people have a life.

 

[Gunny]

God Gawd, somebody sure is bitter about the election results!

You need to just shut up. The only difference between you and that entire post is it isn't about a Republican.

 

[Chris]

What a bogus chart.

It covers 1979-2004. Those are not the Bush years.

 

[Gunny]

Haven't I read this before? The same right-wing blogging BS that you see on thinkprogress.org and worldnetdaily.net.

Hey, how's Bristol Palin's pregnancy going? Haven't heard much about that lately... wonder why....

Why is easy. It's none of your business and who cares? Trying to politicize the pregnancy of a politician's child is just about as reaching out into left field as it gets.

 

[Gunny]

Apparently America learned nothing from Bill Clinton as president. Despite placing the presidency in a position to be blackmailed Democrats rallied to president Clinton's defense instead of defending the security of the country and removing him from office. Now Obama has appointed many of the same enablers from the Clinton administration to key areas of his own administration that brought us the tech stock bubble bust, the Enron, Tyco, Worldcom, Global Crossing, etc. fiascoes, a recession, and the "Wall" which he erected between the FBI, the NSA and the CIA so they could not share information and dig into Clinton's Chinese money-laundering, and which led to the security intel failure of 9/11. Barack Obama comes to the office of the presidency carrying more baggage than a jumbo jet, and is so dishonest he makes Bill Clinton look like a saint. Not only is he unprepared to be president, but dangerous as well. Please closely examine the following three lists then ask yourself if you think America is safe in this man's hands:

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First is a list of negative and radical attributes of Barack Obama and potential problem areas in his history:

He has no executive experience of any kind

He has associated with radicals his whole life

He has no loyalty to those he has previously called friends and mentors

There are legitimate questions as to whether he actually wrote his two autobiography's as he claims

There are serious doubts as to his meeting the constitutional requirements to be POTUS

He attended and exposed his children to a church full of cheering racists and America haters

He is now appointing the same people who brought us the tech bubble bust, the Enron, Tyco, Worldcom, Global Crossing, etc. fiascoes and recession

He was willing to surrender Iraq to al Qaeda and certain civil war

He says one thing to one group of people and another thing to another group of people

He was the most liberal senator in a group of extreme liberals

He defended infanticide and then denied doing so

He is not upfront about what he plans to do with NAFTA, telling unions one thing, and Canadian officials another

He wants to bring foreign terrorists to America to be tried with constitutional guarantees

His "new tone" equals mocking a former first lady for something she never did in his very first press conference as president elect

He claimed the constitution is defective

He wants to institute censorship of conservatives through a program called localization

He wants to rescind union secret ballot voting and allow unions to intimidate those who do not support them

He is willing to talk with totalitarian leaders without requirements, giving them equal standing to allies

He wants to reduce military spending when it needs to be increased

He will not support energy independence

He believes in instituting a carbon cap and trade system and raising taxes that will hamper any likelihood of an economic recovery

He wants to institute a universal health care program that has proven to be a disaster wherever it has been tried

He has a number of issues where blackmail may be a problem

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This second list is of areas of Obama's history that have been kept secret that contain potential blackmail problems:

Can't see original vault certificate of live birth

Can't investigate Kenyan birth records

Can't interview Kenyan relatives

Can't inquire about his adoption by step father Lolo Soetoro

Can't inquire about his time in Indonesia

Can't see his student grades

Can't see his student writings

Can't inquire about his admitted attending of "socialist conferences"

Can't inquire about his mysterious trip to Pakistan when American passports were denied entry

Can't inquire about his time as a "community organizer"

Can't see his legal cases

Can't see his state legislative records

Can't see his small donors list

Can't see his medical records

Can't see his Annenberg Challenge records without them being sanitized first

Can't inquire about his connection to Raila Odinga, the Kenyan election and the hundreds of murders by Odinga's supporters

Can't ask about his associations

Can't see a supposedly innocent video of Obama at a dinner party

Can't inquire about his shadow "Obama/Biden Transition Project"

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And third is the Obama scoundrel list. It is an incredible list of all the nefarious characters that have been a part of Barack Obama's life and illustrates his complete lack of judgment. The potential that some of these people or others associated with these people may attempt to blackmail a president Obama is extremely high. For some it may just be looking for paybacks for favors provided Obama during his time in Chicago machine politics. For others it may be much more serious, right up to threats from radical Islamists. This list is absolutely scary:

Obama's grandparents and mother
Communist sympathizers

Frank Marshall Davis - teenage Obama's mentor and possible biological father
Communist and child molester

Michelle Obama - wife
Very bitter outlook on life and America, segregationist

Saul Alinsky - Obama learned community organizing under proselytes of Alinsky
Communist sympathizer, radical political disruption, wrote Rules for Radicals

Acorn - community organization Obama associated with in his organizing days
Known for widespread voter fraud and promoting the affirmative mortgage programs that have led to the worldwide financial meltdown

Tony Rezko - financial backer and personal friend
Felon, slumlord and part of the Chicago machine politics

William Ayers - friend, political mentor, probably wrote Obama's two books
Started Weather Underground, unrepentant domestic terrorist, hates America

Bernadine Dohrn - partner of William Ayers
Domestic terrorist, hates America

Jeremiah Wright - spiritual mentor of Barack for 20 years
Black liberation theology (communism), racist, hates America, anti-Semite

Jeremiah Wright's church - Obama's church
A congregation that cheers America bashing and racism and adheres to Black liberation theology (communism)

Khalid al-Mansour - patron, facilitated Obama's law schooling
Started Black Panthers, hates America, anti-Semite

Rashid Khalidi - friend, Obamas babysat his children
Pro-Palestinian anti-Semite, supports suicide bombing

Father Michael Pfleger - another spiritual mentor and friend
Hates America, anti-Semite

James Meeks - another spiritual mentor
Racist

Raila Odinga - Muslim, Kenyan presidential candidate in 2007 supported and advised by Obama
His supporters murdered 1,500 and displaced 600,000, also promised to institute sharia law

Franklin Raines/Jim Johnson - Former heads of Fannie Mae, advisors to Obama's campaign, raised money for Obama
Both have been singled out for impropriety and a leading cause of the current world financial meltdown

Louis Farrakhan - head of the Nation of Islam, friend of Wright and Pfleger, organized Million Man March that Obama attended
Hates America, racist, anti-Semite

Cynthia K Miller - Obama's senate campaign treasurer
Member of Nation of Islam, racist, anti-Semite

Jennefer Mason - Obama's Director of Constituent Services
Member of Nation of Islam, racist, anti-Semite

Shakir Muhammad - Obama senate campaign consultant
Member of Nation of Islam, racist, anti-Semite

Kenny Gamble (also known as Luqman Abdul-Haqq) - cut the ribbon to the Obama campaign headquarters housed in a South Philadelphia building he owns - self-styled "amir" of the United Muslim Movement, he has many links to Islamist organizations, including CAIR and the Muslim Alliance in North America. (MANA's "amir" is Siraj Wahhaj, an unindicted co-conspirator in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.)
Racist, anti-Semite

Mazen Asbahi - Obama campaign's first Muslim outreach coordinator, associated with Hamas funding
Racist, anti-Semite

Minha Husaini - Obama campaign's second Muslim outreach coordinator, has publicly supported Hamas and Hizbullah
Racist, anti-Semite

Robert Malley - Obama campaign advisor and diplomatic adviser
Hamas sympathizer

Marilyn Katz - Obama fundraising bundler
Leader of SDS which spawned the Weather Underground, radical advocate of violent protest

Abongo (Roy) Obama - Barack's brother
Marxist, radical Muslim, anti-Semite

Zeituni Onyango - Obama's aunt
Illegal immigrant

Sonal Shah - transition team adviser
Connected with a Hindu organization believed to have been involved in the massacre of over 2,000 Muslims in Gujarat

Valerie Jarrett - longtime friend and advisor of Barack Obama
Connected to Tony Rezko, working with him as a board member overseeing Rezko housing projects that have been found to be substandard with squalid living conditions

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Anybody who can objectively look at these lists should be alarmed. If you are not, then you are a Kool Aid drinking fool...

(For those who rightly oppose Barack Obama's presidency I suggest you save a shortcut to this post and invite you to freely link to it when Obama supporters attempt to defend him as competent to be president. I also suggest you copy and paste these lists to any other message boards you post on and email it to your family and friends and suggest that they email it to theirs.)

Gord

Dude .... really ....

KoolAid drinking fool, huh? I could shred your list. Easily. How does this list of wishful thinking equal blackmail as stated in your thread title would be my first question. It only goes downhill for you from there.

 

[Gord]

What a bogus chart.

It covers 1979-2004. Those are not the Bush years.

It from a study named: "Historical Effective Federal Tax Rates: 1979 to 2004"

The chart only shows 2000 and 2004...

 

[Gord]

Dude .... really ....

KoolAid drinking fool, huh? I could shred your list. Easily. How does this list of wishful thinking equal blackmail as stated in your thread title would be my first question. It only goes downhill for you from there.

This guy has more baggage than Bill Clinton, more secrets than James Bond, and has a history of associating with radicals, many of whom could have inside information on Obama that could be used against him. But you're not alarmed...

 

[Gunny]

What a bogus chart.

It covers 1979-2004. Those are not the Bush years.

Really? Bush wasn't President from 2000-2004? Pray tell ... WHO was?

 

[Care4all]

can you tell me what this chart is suppose to tell me?

 

[chloe]

Really? Bush wasn't President from 2000-2004? Pray tell ... WHO was?

The Clintons with all there heinous covert operations in destroying the economy with all there weather underground friends & other financial terrorists.

 

[Gunny]

This guy has more baggage than Bill Clinton, more secrets than James Bond, and has a history of associating with radicals, many of whom could have inside information on Obama that could be used against him. But you're not alarmed...

I'm not alarmed? You don't get out much, do you?

Let's take your little list and go through it, shall we?

First is a list of negative and radical attributes of Barack Obama and potential problem areas in his history:

He has no executive experience of any kind

Neither does McCain who would have been President had he won. Neither does Hillary, the runner-up in the Dem Primaries even though it has been widely reported she already has 8 years as President.
He has associated with radicals his whole life

He has no loyalty to those he has previously called friends and mentors

What loyalty is it that you assume he should have? He can still call them friends and mentors while not agreeing with everything they say or believe. I'd prefer he disagree with them proving he thinks for himself.

There are legitimate questions as to whether he actually wrote his two autobiography's as he claims

Who cares?

There are serious doubts as to his meeting the constitutional requirements to be POTUS

Name them.

He attended and exposed his children to a church full of cheering racists and America haters

I think "America haters" is quite a spin on villifying the US government. I don't trust the government. You do?

As far as the racism goes, maybe.

He is now appointing the same people who brought us the tech bubble bust, the Enron, Tyco, Worldcom, Global Crossing, etc. fiascoes and recession

Like Bush appointed all his daddy's cronies?

He was willing to surrender Iraq to al Qaeda and certain civil war

New one on me.

He says one thing to one group of people and another thing to another group of people

Agreed.

He was the most liberal senator in a group of extreme liberals

A matter of opinion.

He defended infanticide and then denied doing so

Link?

He is not upfront about what he plans to do with NAFTA, telling unions one thing, and Canadian officials another

Maybe he hasn't decided yet what he wants to do but doesn't want to alienate one group or the other until he does?

He wants to bring foreign terrorists to America to be tried with constitutional guarantees

Agreed.

His "new tone" equals mocking a former first lady for something she never did in his very first press conference as president elect

Link?

He claimed the constitution is defective

You believe the Constitution unassailable? It's not perfect. In what context did he claim this?

He wants to institute censorship of conservatives through a program called localization

Explain

He wants to rescind union secret ballot voting and allow unions to intimidate those who do not support them

Link?

He is willing to talk with totalitarian leaders without requirements, giving them equal standing to allies

Rather than just bomb them? Seems rather prudent and what I would expect of the President of the US. Anyone can drop a bomb. Let's see if he can talk us past that, huh? War is a means of last resortm not Option A.

He wants to reduce military spending when it needs to be increased

Got news for you ... the biggest reductions in the military in last 20 years came as a result of Gramm-Rudman-Hollings ... a piece of shit legislation headed and pushed by a Republican. Republicans also restructured military retirement and retirement benefits.

BOTH parties target military money when they're looking for a quick cash fix.

He will not support energy independence

I don't agree with his energy policy. I also don't agree with any Republican's that I've heard.

However, since oil corporations buy and sell on the international market, how is it you plan to become energy "independent" without nationalizing all US energy resources?

He believes in instituting a carbon cap and trade system and raising taxes that will hamper any likelihood of an economic recovery

Newsflash: He's backed off the raising taxes thing at least temporarily. A wise decision, IMO.

He wants to institute a universal health care program that has proven to be a disaster wherever it has been tried

Please provide a link to his proposed universal health care program that explains in detail exactly what it is he plans.

He has a number of issues where blackmail may be a problem

So do you? What kind of baseless statement is THIS? What issue specifically may be a blackmail problem? That's the premise of your thread; yet, I have seen no evidence to support his being any more open to blackmail than any other politician.

==========

This second list is of areas of Obama's history that have been kept secret that contain potential blackmail problems:

Can't see original vault certificate of live birth

Can't investigate Kenyan birth records

Can't interview Kenyan relatives

Can't inquire about his adoption by step father Lolo Soetoro

Can't inquire about his time in Indonesia

Can't see his student grades

Can't see his student writings

Can't inquire about his admitted attending of "socialist conferences"

Can't inquire about his mysterious trip to Pakistan when American passports were denied entry

Can't inquire about his time as a "community organizer"

Can't see his legal cases

Can't see his state legislative records

Can't see his small donors list

Can't see his medical records

Can't see his Annenberg Challenge records without them being sanitized first

Can't inquire about his connection to Raila Odinga, the Kenyan election and the hundreds of murders by Odinga's supporters

Can't ask about his associations

Can't see a supposedly innocent video of Obama at a dinner party

Can't inquire about his shadow "Obama/Biden Transition Project"

Otherwise known as the "Who Cares?" list.
==========

And third is the Obama scoundrel list. It is an incredible list of all the nefarious characters that have been a part of Barack Obama's life and illustrates his complete lack of judgment. The potential that some of these people or others associated with these people may attempt to blackmail a president Obama is extremely high. For some it may just be looking for paybacks for favors provided Obama during his time in Chicago machine politics. For others it may be much more serious, right up to threats from radical Islamists. This list is absolutely scary:

Obama's grandparents and mother
Communist sympathizers

Frank Marshall Davis - teenage Obama's mentor and possible biological father
Communist and child molester

Michelle Obama - wife
Very bitter outlook on life and America, segregationist

Saul Alinsky - Obama learned community organizing under proselytes of Alinsky
Communist sympathizer, radical political disruption, wrote Rules for Radicals

Acorn - community organization Obama associated with in his organizing days
Known for widespread voter fraud and promoting the affirmative mortgage programs that have led to the worldwide financial meltdown

Tony Rezko - financial backer and personal friend
Felon, slumlord and part of the Chicago machine politics

William Ayers - friend, political mentor, probably wrote Obama's two books
Started Weather Underground, unrepentant domestic terrorist, hates America

Bernadine Dohrn - partner of William Ayers
Domestic terrorist, hates America

Jeremiah Wright - spiritual mentor of Barack for 20 years
Black liberation theology (communism), racist, hates America, anti-Semite

Jeremiah Wright's church - Obama's church
A congregation that cheers America bashing and racism and adheres to Black liberation theology (communism)

Khalid al-Mansour - patron, facilitated Obama's law schooling
Started Black Panthers, hates America, anti-Semite

Rashid Khalidi - friend, Obamas babysat his children
Pro-Palestinian anti-Semite, supports suicide bombing

Father Michael Pfleger - another spiritual mentor and friend
Hates America, anti-Semite

James Meeks - another spiritual mentor
Racist

Raila Odinga - Muslim, Kenyan presidential candidate in 2007 supported and advised by Obama
His supporters murdered 1,500 and displaced 600,000, also promised to institute sharia law

Franklin Raines/Jim Johnson - Former heads of Fannie Mae, advisors to Obama's campaign, raised money for Obama
Both have been singled out for impropriety and a leading cause of the current world financial meltdown

Louis Farrakhan - head of the Nation of Islam, friend of Wright and Pfleger, organized Million Man March that Obama attended
Hates America, racist, anti-Semite

Cynthia K Miller - Obama's senate campaign treasurer
Member of Nation of Islam, racist, anti-Semite

Jennefer Mason - Obama's Director of Constituent Services
Member of Nation of Islam, racist, anti-Semite

Shakir Muhammad - Obama senate campaign consultant
Member of Nation of Islam, racist, anti-Semite

Kenny Gamble (also known as Luqman Abdul-Haqq) - cut the ribbon to the Obama campaign headquarters housed in a South Philadelphia building he owns - self-styled "amir" of the United Muslim Movement, he has many links to Islamist organizations, including CAIR and the Muslim Alliance in North America. (MANA's "amir" is Siraj Wahhaj, an unindicted co-conspirator in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.)
Racist, anti-Semite

Mazen Asbahi - Obama campaign's first Muslim outreach coordinator, associated with Hamas funding
Racist, anti-Semite

Minha Husaini - Obama campaign's second Muslim outreach coordinator, has publicly supported Hamas and Hizbullah
Racist, anti-Semite

Robert Malley - Obama campaign advisor and diplomatic adviser
Hamas sympathizer

Marilyn Katz - Obama fundraising bundler
Leader of SDS which spawned the Weather Underground, radical advocate of violent protest

Abongo (Roy) Obama - Barack's brother
Marxist, radical Muslim, anti-Semite

Zeituni Onyango - Obama's aunt
Illegal immigrant

Sonal Shah - transition team adviser
Connected with a Hindu organization believed to have been involved in the massacre of over 2,000 Muslims in Gujarat

Valerie Jarrett - longtime friend and advisor of Barack Obama
Connected to Tony Rezko, working with him as a board member overseeing Rezko housing projects that have been found to be substandard with squalid living conditions

*yawn* A politician with some shady connections. Who'd have EVER thought that?
==========

Anybody who can objectively look at these lists should be alarmed. If you are not, then you are a Kool Aid drinking fool...

(For those who rightly oppose Barack Obama's presidency I suggest you save a shortcut to this post and invite you to freely link to it when Obama supporters attempt to defend him as competent to be president. I also suggest you copy and paste these lists to any other message boards you post on and email it to your family and friends and suggest that they email it to theirs.)

I have a better idea. Let's wait until he actually IS President and see what he does? If he steps on it, you can rest assured I'll be right there driving the first nail in the coffin.

But if you think posting crap like this is making you, or the right look good, I've got some West Texas swampland for sale you might be interested in.

You make YOU look like the Kool Aid drinker, and the leftwingnuts around here will try and claim you are representative of how everyone on the right thinks.

Try to not "help" so much, huh?

 

[Gord]

can you tell me what this chart is suppose to tell me?

The x axis divides all households in America into five equal segments by amount of income. The y axis measures the percentage taxes paid or refunded (minus values).

So, taking the "Highest 20%" of households, they paid 81.2% of all household taxes in 2000, and 85.3% of all household taxes in 2004.

Looking at the "Second-Lowest 20%", they paid 1.1% of all household taxes in 2000, and were refunded .9% (the "-0.9%" figure) of all household taxes in 2004.

 

[Gord]

I'm not alarmed? You don't get out much, do you?

Let's take your little list and go through it, shall we?



Neither does McCain who would have been President had he won. Neither does Hillary, the runner-up in the Dem Primaries even though it has been widely reported she already has 8 years as President.
He has associated with radicals his whole life



What loyalty is it that you assume he should have? He can still call them friends and mentors while not agreeing with everything they say or believe. I'd prefer he disagree with them proving he thinks for himself.



Who cares?



Name them.



I think "America haters" is quite a spin on villifying the US government. I don't trust the government. You do?

As far as the racism goes, maybe.



Like Bush appointed all his daddy's cronies?



New one on me.



Agreed.



A matter of opinion.



Link?



Maybe he hasn't decided yet what he wants to do but doesn't want to alienate one group or the other until he does?



Agreed.



Link?



You believe the Constitution unassailable? It's not perfect. In what context did he claim this?



Explain



Link?



Rather than just bomb them? Seems rather prudent and what I would expect of the President of the US. Anyone can drop a bomb. Let's see if he can talk us past that, huh? War is a means of last resortm not Option A.



Got news for you ... the biggest reductions in the military in last 20 years came as a result of Gramm-Rudman-Hollings ... a piece of shit legislation headed and pushed by a Republican. Republicans also restructured military retirement and retirement benefits.

BOTH parties target military money when they're looking for a quick cash fix.



I don't agree with his energy policy. I also don't agree with any Republican's that I've heard.

However, since oil corporations buy and sell on the international market, how is it you plan to become energy "independent" without nationalizing all US energy resources?



Newsflash: He's backed off the raising taxes thing at least temporarily. A wise decision, IMO.



Please provide a link to his proposed universal health care program that explains in detail exactly what it is he plans.



So do you? What kind of baseless statement is THIS? What issue specifically may be a blackmail problem? That's the premise of your thread; yet, I have seen no evidence to support his being any more open to blackmail than any other politician.

==========



Otherwise known as the "Who Cares?" list.
==========



*yawn* A politician with some shady connections. Who'd have EVER thought that?
==========



I have a better idea. Let's wait until he actually IS President and see what he does? If he steps on it, you can rest assured I'll be right there driving the first nail in the coffin.

But if you think posting crap like this is making you, or the right look good, I've got some West Texas swampland for sale you might be interested in.

You make YOU look like the Kool Aid drinker, and the leftwingnuts around here will try and claim you are representative of how everyone on the right thinks.

Try to not "help" so much, huh?

Posting lists like this supposes that the reader is informed enough to understand the entries or willing to investigate them if they have questions. I am not going to go search out links or write a textbook about every entry someone has a question about. Here's an example:

He defended infanticide and then denied doing so

Link?

Try a search for: Obama infanticide

You'll find your answers.

But if you are satisfied with your ignorance then I am happy for you.

 

[chloe]

Gunny's not ignorant. I do see some of your points Gord.

 

[Gunny]

Posting lists like this supposes that the reader is informed enough to understand the entries or willing to investigate them if they have questions. I am not going to go search out links or write a textbook about every entry someone has a question about. Here's an example:




Try a search for: Obama infanticide

You'll find your answers.

But if you are satisfied with your ignorance then I am happy for you.

In other words, you're saying you're willing to throw allegations out into a debate but not provide the facts/evidence to back them up?

Lists like this suppose the reader is UNINFORMED and attempts to blow smoke up his/her ass, and it is NOT encumbent on ME to back up YOUR argument.

Let's get something straight. I don't like Obama. I didn't vote for Obama. But when I go to nailing his ass you can rest assured I'm going to have some evidence to back up my accusation(s). I don't have to spin everything he does in a negative light in some lame attempt to make him look worse than he is or just flat make up some bogus shit.

If I was half as ignorant as you think, I wouldn't have just taken your argument and rolled it up nice and tight and packed it back up your ass where it came from.

 

[Gunny]

Gunny's not ignorant. I do see some of your points Gord.

There is a basis of truth to some of his points. But even those that are actual, legitimate points he has to put some spin on, cheapening them in the process.

 

[chloe]

I don't mind his cheap shots, as long as there not at you .....he he

 

[Gord]

Gunny's not ignorant. I do see some of your points Gord.

Thank you.

I do not expect everyone to understand every point in these lists. But if someone does not understand they must be first willing to do some research of their own before just dismissing or demanding I explain them. I found everything in those lists on the internet. Each point has key words in it or clues to appropriate key words that can be used in search engines.

The purpose of these lists was to show that Obama carries a lot of baggage into office and in many cases has some splainin' to do. It was not to pick a fight on every point I made. If someone has a bone to pick on a point I am willing to look at it (as I have). But when someone like Gunny comes along and just scatter guns the whole thing and then demands that I spend time answering many questions he could just as easily find for himself, then I am just as inclined to dismiss him just as he has off-handedly dismissed my lists...