Obama was too inexperienced to be President, then what's Trump?

[rightwinger]

Obama was a community organizer which gives him much more experience than Trump

Community organizers have to go out and actually meet the people. Knock on doors, find out what their problems are, recommend solutions

When has Trump ever had to deal with the common man? He was raised in immense wealth, went to exclusive schools, lived in penthouses and gated communities, played in exclusive golf courses

What does Trump know about the problems of working Americans other than he has caused a lot of them?

How many failed solar energy companies that Obama gave millions of dollars of our money to went bankrupt?

R&D involves risk. Sometimes you succeed, sometimes you crash and burn

China is also investing in alternative energy and is now kicking out butt with the technology

Well, if he's going to speculate then let him speculate with his own damn money.

Private industry doesn't like to take chances. New technology involves risk. Other nations understand that the government needs to fund R&D for technologies in medicine, energy, space and communications

Private industry is involved in research in medicine. space, and communications my friend.

When they can make an easy buck

 

[mudwhistle]

All those who have voted for Trump or will, are probably the people who have spent the lat 8 years calling Obama a "community organizer" and too inexperienced a politician to be president, but now they're ignoring this for some guy who's go NO political experience.

How do they work that out in their brains?

The problem wasn't that Obama was just inexperienced......he had zero leadership experience. He's a talker, not a do'er.

He's a salesman posing as a leader.

He's dangerous.....because of the company he keeps.

 

[ABikerSailor]

As far as Trump would be a good president because of his business experience? Not so much, as reflected in what he said about charging Mexico (via higher tariffs and new trade agreements) for the wall, or what he said about Carrier shipping off jobs to Mexico (he said he would charge them an additional 35 percent for every unit shipped to the US).

Now, in business, you can do things like that, because whoever provides you with materials and labor can be controlled. And, if you don't like what a certain company is doing, you can drop them and give your business to another company.

You can't do that with other countries. All tax increases must be approved by Congress, as well as any new trade agreements. Trump can't do it in one afternoon as he has stated he could.

And..................you can't fire other countries as president. In order to dissolve alliances and enact sanctions, that ALSO takes Congress to get it done.

In almost all of his policies that he has said he would do, he has shown a woeful ignorance about how government works.

Yes, you can be a brilliant businessman and know nothing about how government works.

And for those that brought up Eisenhower as being a great president without having had any government experience, what exactly do you think a general in the Army does? They have to enforce and enact policy, as well as decide what is good for their service, and deal with a whole bunch of different opinions as to what should be done. Yes, Eisenhower was a life long soldier until he ran for office, but he had more than enough government experience to get his policies done.

 

[rightwinger]

All those who have voted for Trump or will, are probably the people who have spent the lat 8 years calling Obama a "community organizer" and too inexperienced a politician to be president, but now they're ignoring this for some guy who's go NO political experience.

How do they work that out in their brains?

The problem wasn't that Obama was just inexperienced......he had zero leadership experience. He's a talker, not a do'er.

Managed to do:

Obamacare
Stopping a depression
Killing Bin Laden
Saving the auto industry and banks
Gay rights
Recognizing Cuba
Iran nuclear disarmament

More doing than any President since FDR

 

[rightwinger]

As far as Trump would be a good president because of his business experience? Not so much, as reflected in what he said about charging Mexico (via higher tariffs and new trade agreements) for the wall, or what he said about Carrier shipping off jobs to Mexico (he said he would charge them an additional 35 percent for every unit shipped to the US).

Now, in business, you can do things like that, because whoever provides you with materials and labor can be controlled. And, if you don't like what a certain company is doing, you can drop them and give your business to another company.

You can't do that with other countries. All tax increases must be approved by Congress, as well as any new trade agreements. Trump can't do it in one afternoon as he has stated he could.

And..................you can't fire other countries as president. In order to dissolve alliances and enact sanctions, that ALSO takes Congress to get it done.

In almost all of his policies that he has said he would do, he has shown a woeful ignorance about how government works.

Yes, you can be a brilliant businessman and know nothing about how government works.

And for those that brought up Eisenhower as being a great president without having had any government experience, what exactly do you think a general in the Army does? They have to enforce and enact policy, as well as decide what is good for their service, and deal with a whole bunch of different opinions as to what should be done. Yes, Eisenhower was a life long soldier until he ran for office, but he had more than enough government experience to get his policies done.

More than just being a soldier, Ike led an international force in battle and had to work the politics of multiple countries including our own

 

[the_human_being]

 

[the_human_being]

Obama was too inexperienced to be President, then what's Trump?

A train wreck waiting to happen...


And make no mistake, Hillary is no good either...

How many failed solar energy companies that Obama gave millions of dollars of our money to went bankrupt?

R&D involves risk. Sometimes you succeed, sometimes you crash and burn

China is also investing in alternative energy and is now kicking out butt with the technology

Well, if he's going to speculate then let him speculate with his own damn money.

Private industry doesn't like to take chances. New technology involves risk. Other nations understand that the government needs to fund R&D for technologies in medicine, energy, space and communications

Private industry is involved in research in medicine. space, and communications my friend.

Lots of that technology was first made by the government and the military. 2 of them, which we use quite a bit today and don't think much about are in our cars. Radar (which allows cars to avoid collisions), and GPS (which allows you to know where you are at). Both were technologies developed for the military, and there were a few times that the government wanted to balk at releasing it to the civilian populace.

Oh yeah..............and while you're reading this, think about 2 other techs that were developed by the military..................computers and the internet.

 

[Skylar]

All those who have voted for Trump or will, are probably the people who have spent the lat 8 years calling Obama a "community organizer" and too inexperienced a politician to be president, but now they're ignoring this for some guy who's go NO political experience.

How do they work that out in their brains?

You don't think that Republicans actually believed that shit back in 2008, right?

what would you know what they believed? your leftwing crystal ball tell you? stuff it if you have Nothing

That would be fact that they're running 2 freshmen senators and a man who has never held any elected office.

Demonstrating that they were either lying then....or they're lying now.

 

[frigidweirdo]

All those who have voted for Trump or will, are probably the people who have spent the lat 8 years calling Obama a "community organizer" and too inexperienced a politician to be president, but now they're ignoring this for some guy who's go NO political experience.

How do they work that out in their brains?

Barry does not have a clue what it takes to run a business…

And he doesn't run a business. Trump has no clue what it takes to run a country......

 

[Skylar]

All those who have voted for Trump or will, are probably the people who have spent the lat 8 years calling Obama a "community organizer" and too inexperienced a politician to be president, but now they're ignoring this for some guy who's go NO political experience.

How do they work that out in their brains?

Barry does not have a clue what it takes to run a business…

And he doesn't run a business. Trump has no clue what it takes to run a country......

Surely he Trump Mortgage.

Or Trump Vodka?

Trump Magazine?

Trump Airlines?

 

[frigidweirdo]

All those who have voted for Trump or will, are probably the people who have spent the lat 8 years calling Obama a "community organizer" and too inexperienced a politician to be president, but now they're ignoring this for some guy who's go NO political experience.

How do they work that out in their brains?

The same way those who voted for Obama twice despite that lack of experience are now voting for or will vote for Hillary because of her political experience do. Very interesting how both parties have totally reversed their views on the importance of experience from 2008 to 2016.

No, I doubt anyone is voting Hillary because of their experience with Obama. Hillary is on Obama's coattails, she's getting people who liked Obama to vote for her.

 

[SmokeALib]

All those who have voted for Trump or will, are probably the people who have spent the lat 8 years calling Obama a "community organizer" and too inexperienced a politician to be president, but now they're ignoring this for some guy who's go NO political experience.

How do they work that out in their brains?

The problem wasn't that Obama was just inexperienced......he had zero leadership experience. He's a talker, not a do'er.

Managed to do:

Obamacare
Stopping a depression
Killing Bin Laden
Saving the auto industry and banks
Gay rights
Recognizing Cuba
Iran nuclear disarmament

More doing than any President since FDR

Obamascare - bad
Stopping a depression - he started depression
Killing Bin Laden - I'll give you that
Saving auto and banks - bad
Gay rights - irrelevant
Cuba - bad
Iran - no.
One out of 7 not bad.

 

[rightwinger]

All those who have voted for Trump or will, are probably the people who have spent the lat 8 years calling Obama a "community organizer" and too inexperienced a politician to be president, but now they're ignoring this for some guy who's go NO political experience.

How do they work that out in their brains?

The problem wasn't that Obama was just inexperienced......he had zero leadership experience. He's a talker, not a do'er.

Managed to do:

Obamacare
Stopping a depression
Killing Bin Laden
Saving the auto industry and banks
Gay rights
Recognizing Cuba
Iran nuclear disarmament

More doing than any President since FDR

Obamascare - bad
Stopping a depression - he started depression
Killing Bin Laden - I'll give you that
Saving auto and banks - bad
Gay rights - irrelevant
Cuba - bad
Iran - no.
One out of 7 not bad.

So Obama did what Conservatives do not like

Just what he was elected to do

 

[frigidweirdo]

All those who have voted for Trump or will, are probably the people who have spent the lat 8 years calling Obama a "community organizer" and too inexperienced a politician to be president, but now they're ignoring this for some guy who's go NO political experience.

How do they work that out in their brains?

The problem wasn't that Obama was just inexperienced......he had zero leadership experience. He's a talker, not a do'er.

Managed to do:

Obamacare
Stopping a depression
Killing Bin Laden
Saving the auto industry and banks
Gay rights
Recognizing Cuba
Iran nuclear disarmament

More doing than any President since FDR

Obamascare - bad
Stopping a depression - he started depression
Killing Bin Laden - I'll give you that
Saving auto and banks - bad
Gay rights - irrelevant
Cuba - bad
Iran - no.
One out of 7 not bad.

I'd love to hear your reasoning behind all of this, however I've heard all the nonsense in the first place.

Obamacare - might lead to cheaper healthcare and the health industry doesn't want this
He didn't start a depression, the recession was on when he got into office
He didn't kill bin Laden.
Had the banks not been saved, you wouldn't be talking about the economy getting better now.
Gay rights, the same as black rights, right?
Cuba, why is it bad? The Cold War ended in 1991, the US had relations with CHINA AND RUSSIA during the Cold War and no has relations with them after too. Why not Cuba? Because they chose a way the US doesn't like and wants to control all the countries around it?
Iran, well, the right wants to invade, doesn't it, so anything that stops the US's ability to make a dodgy excuse for invasion similar to Iraq is bad, right?

 

[frigidweirdo]

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This is just complete and utter bullcrap.

The US has had some terrible presidents.

How about John Tyler. When Harrison died, they said Tyler would be Vice President with the powers of President. Tyler turned up and decided no, he was going to be President and everyone else can fuck off.

He inaugurated himself in his hotel room and didn't even take the oath.

Great start huh?

They tried to impeach him too.

And I doubt he's the worst.

 

[blackhawk]

All those who have voted for Trump or will, are probably the people who have spent the lat 8 years calling Obama a "community organizer" and too inexperienced a politician to be president, but now they're ignoring this for some guy who's go NO political experience.

How do they work that out in their brains?

The same way those who voted for Obama twice despite that lack of experience are now voting for or will vote for Hillary because of her political experience do. Very interesting how both parties have totally reversed their views on the importance of experience from 2008 to 2016.

No, I doubt anyone is voting Hillary because of their experience with Obama. Hillary is on Obama's coattails, she's getting people who liked Obama to vote for her.

Please this whole election is just 2008 in reverse for Democrats experience now matters when it didn't in 2008 and Republicans now claim it doesn't when it did in 2008.

 

[Skylar]

All those who have voted for Trump or will, are probably the people who have spent the lat 8 years calling Obama a "community organizer" and too inexperienced a politician to be president, but now they're ignoring this for some guy who's go NO political experience.

How do they work that out in their brains?

The problem wasn't that Obama was just inexperienced......he had zero leadership experience. He's a talker, not a do'er.

Managed to do:

Obamacare
Stopping a depression
Killing Bin Laden
Saving the auto industry and banks
Gay rights
Recognizing Cuba
Iran nuclear disarmament

More doing than any President since FDR

Obamascare - bad
Stopping a depression - he started depression

How? I mean, physically, how?

The 'Great Recession' began before Obama was even president. Before he was elected. Before he won the Democratic nomination. Before he won ANY democratic primary.

Was there a delorian in your narrative? A blue police box perhaps?

 

[frigidweirdo]

All those who have voted for Trump or will, are probably the people who have spent the lat 8 years calling Obama a "community organizer" and too inexperienced a politician to be president, but now they're ignoring this for some guy who's go NO political experience.

How do they work that out in their brains?

The same way those who voted for Obama twice despite that lack of experience are now voting for or will vote for Hillary because of her political experience do. Very interesting how both parties have totally reversed their views on the importance of experience from 2008 to 2016.

No, I doubt anyone is voting Hillary because of their experience with Obama. Hillary is on Obama's coattails, she's getting people who liked Obama to vote for her.

Please this whole election is just 2008 in reverse for Democrats experience now matters when it didn't in 2008 and Republicans now claim it doesn't when it did in 2008.

Would you care to write this so I can understand it?

 

[mudwhistle]

All those who have voted for Trump or will, are probably the people who have spent the lat 8 years calling Obama a "community organizer" and too inexperienced a politician to be president, but now they're ignoring this for some guy who's go NO political experience.

How do they work that out in their brains?

The problem wasn't that Obama was just inexperienced......he had zero leadership experience. He's a talker, not a do'er.

Managed to do:

Obamacare
Stopping a depression
Killing Bin Laden
Saving the auto industry and banks
Gay rights
Recognizing Cuba
Iran nuclear disarmament

More doing than any President since FDR

Obamascare - bad
Stopping a depression - he started depression

How? I mean, physically, how?

The 'Great Recession' began before Obama was even president. Before he was elected. Before he won the Democratic nomination. Before he won ANY democratic primary.

Was there a delorian in your narrative? A blue police box perhaps?

The so-called depression conveniently started during the year of the election and conveniently ended 4 months into his first term.

Either Obama has unbelievable timing, is extremely lucky, or his organization pulled the biggest scam in American history.

I tend to believe the latter.

 

[Skylar]

All those who have voted for Trump or will, are probably the people who have spent the lat 8 years calling Obama a "community organizer" and too inexperienced a politician to be president, but now they're ignoring this for some guy who's go NO political experience.

How do they work that out in their brains?

The problem wasn't that Obama was just inexperienced......he had zero leadership experience. He's a talker, not a do'er.

Managed to do:

Obamacare
Stopping a depression
Killing Bin Laden
Saving the auto industry and banks
Gay rights
Recognizing Cuba
Iran nuclear disarmament

More doing than any President since FDR

Obamascare - bad
Stopping a depression - he started depression

How? I mean, physically, how?

The 'Great Recession' began before Obama was even president. Before he was elected. Before he won the Democratic nomination. Before he won ANY democratic primary.

Was there a delorian in your narrative? A blue police box perhaps?

The so-called depression conveniently started during the year of the election and conveniently ended 4 months into his first term.

Either Obama has unbelievable timing, is extremely lucky, or his organization pulled the biggest scam in American history.

I tend to believe the latter.

It actually began in 2007. And in what world would have have *started* a 'depression' that began before the first primary?