Obama vs. Catholic Church

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    Obama's Birth Control Mandate "Compromise" Rejected By Catholics Again

    6/16/12 By Kevin Glass

    While the Catholic Health Association - which represents the nation's Catholic hospitals - has long been an ally of President Obama, on Friday they officially came out in opposition to the President's controversial contraception mandate in a letter sent to his Department of Health and Human Services.
    President Obama had thought that he had put the matter to rest with a "compromise" months ago, the Catholic Health Association has just now spoken up against it.

    In a letter to the federal Health and Human Services department, the hospital group said the compromise initially seemed to be "a good first step" but that examination of the details proved disappointing. The plan would be "unduly cumbersome" to carry out and "unlikely to adequately meet the religious liberty concerns" of all its members, the group said.

    In its letter, the group said the government should either broaden the exemption for religious employers, or pay directly for the birth control coverage.

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    Up until now, this was a state-based problem. But with the federal government setting minimum requirements for insurance, every single person in America will have to follow federal rules for minimum mandatory insurance.


    Obama's Birth Control Mandate "Compromise" Rejected By Catholics Again - Kevin Glass


    Obama Weighed Politics Before Contraceptive Decision

    2/8/12 By Mike Dorning and Margaret Talev

    Obama Weighed Religious Politics in Contraceptives Decision - Bloomberg
     
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    Boo fucking hoo. They don't pay taxes, so they get no say. (They get no say in the first place because they are a religious group, overexercising their rights into the rights of others)
     
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    I seriously don't get how we got to this point.

    Religious organizations who don't pay taxes..or want to follow the law..should not be in "for profit" businesses.

    This "controversy" illustrates why.
     
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    Not to be a wiseass but why is this not covered under the "separation of church and state"?
     
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    Catholic group says Obama’s contraception effort falls short

    6/18/12 By Michelle Boorstein

    The White House has lost perhaps its most prominent Catholic ally in its controversial effort to expand contraception coverage, with the huge Catholic Health Association saying Friday that the mandate for most religious employers to offer coverage would not “adequately meet the religious liberty concerns.”

    The change of position at the association, the country’s largest group of nonprofit health-care providers, comes as polls show President Obama and Mitt Romney tied among registered Catholic voters. For the past four of five presidential races, the candidate who won Catholics won the presidency.

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    Catholic group says Obama’s contraception effort falls short - The Washington Post
     
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    It really isn't that simple. Simply because a religious organization owns something, it does not mean that something is itself religious. It comes down to the basic question of "what is a church?". Is a hospital a church just because the owner is? Is a supermarket? Can I, as the owner of a business with a primarily secular purpose, impose my religious beliefs upon my employees? I think that is what it comes down to.

    The Supreme Court has already held that a religious organization can impose religious standards upon religious employees - those people whose purpose is to represent the faith. Ministers, priests, teachers, etc. But how is a janitor a religious employee?

    If a religious organization chooses to employee non-religious employees, then why should they be exempt from the rules applied to any other employer?

    The Catholic Church is arguing this is an imposition upon their freedom of religion. I think it is rather an imposition upon their ability to impose their religious belief upon others.

    Whatever one's position might be upon the basic requirement, once a church decides to expand beyond the purely religion and take part in secular business, there is no reason why it should be given any special consideration.

    BTW.... churches are not tax free because they are churches. They are tax free because they are non-profits. If they do not have 501c status, they are taxed like anyone else.
     
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    As churches get political, IRS stays quiet - Yahoo! News

    Religion and ethics at odds. See the following links and ask why the Bishops don't get their own house in order.

    U.S. Catholic priest found guilty in child abuse case - Yahoo! News

    Pa. monsignor becomes 1st US Catholic official convicted for covering up abuse complaints - Yahoo! News

    Pa. Catholic official convicted of endangerment - Yahoo! News

    Church cuts jobs amid Philadelphia child sex abuse trial - Yahoo! News

    It's time. Require those who want to use the power of the authority of religion to influence our elections to pay their fair share of taxes: Income, real estate, and every single tax that the rest of us pay. They may believe they speak for God, but in my opinion organized religions are as self serving as any other political party.
     
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    Cool.

    Maybe we can focus on the Nazi Pope again.
     
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    Pope Adolf I? Just Kidding.
     
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    I'm sure that the millions who were slaughtered by real actual Nazis share your 'humor' in their murder.... and I'm sure that they wouldn't mind you and Shallow insulting them for cheap 'jokes'.
     

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