Obama Third Party Scam

[Synthaholic]

1. "Group with ties to president engaged in massive 3rd party drive.

2. A mysteriously funded, highly organized effort to secure the ballot for a third party candidate in this year’s election has ties to President Obama and top Democrats, ...

3. The group, calling itself Americans Elect, or AE, seems designed to appear like a massive, grassroots effort involving millions of citizens acting to draft a third party candidate. ...AE describes itself as “a non-partisan, non-profit organization founded by Americans from across the political spectrum who are worried that our nation’s deep political divisions keep big problems from being solved.”

4. AE has reportedly raised more than $22 million so far and has already been certified to be placed on the ballot in 12 states now, including California. To getting on state ballots, AE evidenced mass organizing skills. The group says it collected over 2 million signatures nationwide in its effort to get on state ballots.

5. Arno’s firm, APC, has previously reportedly been accused of forging signatures and collecting signatures using fraud.... APC was accused of forging signatures ...Boston’s Fox 25 News ran a feature interviewing paid signature collectors hired by APC through subcontractors.... they were trained on how to trick people into signing a petition using fraud, including by switching the actual petition text after each signature was collected.

6. Capital Weekly reported ... AE’s more than $1.5 million in funding came from one person – venture capitalist, Unity08 activist and Obama donor, Peter Ackerman. Ackerman reportedly gave AE a total of at least $5 million in seed money....Democracy 21 and the Campaign Legal Center, two campaign finance watchdogs, requested in September the IRS investigate Americans Elect’s charging they may be violating nonprofit status by function like a political party.

7. Pamela Smith, president of VerifiedVoting.org, a voters’ advocacy group, argued AE’s reliance on Internet voting is insecure and difficult to audit. “If you allow it to be used in public elections without assurance that the results are verifiably accurate, that is an extraordinary and unnecessary risk to democracy,” she says.

8. Besides Ackerman, an Obama donor who gave money to help start AE, the advisory board includes Lawrence Lessig, an Obama technology adviser....AE’s CEO, Kahlil Byrd, has drawn scrutiny from conservatives because he formerly served as Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick’s Communications Director. Patrick’s chief strategist was top Obama strategist David Axelrod...AE board member W. Bowman Cutter is senior adviser to the Podesta Group lobbying and public relations firm, which was founded by John Podesta, who directed Obama’s transition into the White House in 2008.

9. A Time magazine article profiled the influence of Podesta’s Center for American Progress in the formation of the Obama administration, stating that “not since the Heritage Foundation helped guide Ronald Reagan’s transition in 1981 has a single outside group held so much sway.”
Is this how Obama win will be guaranteed? Group with ties to president engaged in massive 3rd party drive. « Klein Online

10. "Americans Elect, a nonpartisan group seeking to place a third-party candidate on the presidential ballot this year, has been working to obtain ballot access by gathering signatures across the country, including Tennessee. The group bills itself as "not a third party, but a second process" and is reported to have $30 million in cash to bolster its efforts."
Americans Elect never asked Alexander to consider presidential bid | Nooga.com

Really?


An 'independent' group with ties to Obama, garnering votes for a candidate of their choice, pretending that the process is free of manipulation?
Is this a 'dirty trick' as in running a third party candidate to clinch the election for Obama?

Does the name 'Ross Perot' ring a bell?

 

[Synthaholic]

Why do you number all your "points?"

Because that's what the source of her cut and pastes do, silly!

 

[Synthaholic]

Hey, P-Chic: Why do you hate for Americans to have a choice?

 

[PoliticalChic]

I am more than ready, willing, and able to support a viable new major party. And I think the majority of Americans are, too.

It is just a matter of time. This one is probably a precursor of more to come.

In your case the lack of political acumen is hardly surprising.

Let me include lacunae in knowledge of history, the same.

Third party candidates include...

Teddy Roosevelt

Senator Robert LaFollette

Eugene Victor Debs

Henry A. Wallace

Ross Perot

Pat Buchanan

Ralph Nader

and dozens of others

The point is not that all were losers (resonate with you?).....but that in a number of cases they swung the election to a candidate who would not have won without their participation.


That is what Obama knows- and you don't.

It is the single reason for the sham party in question: the election of this failed and deeply flawed candidate.

 

[Baruch Menachem]

Don't forget how George Wallace swung the election in 68 to Nixon. If Humphrey had the votes that Wallace got....

 

[PoliticalChic]

Don't forget how George Wallace swung the election in 68 to Nixon. If Humphrey had the votes that Wallace got....

Millard Fillmore took 21% of the popular vote from the first Republican candidate for President....and gave the nation James Buchanan, considered the worst of our Presidents.

(I kinda see Ross Perot in the same light...)

 

[Baruch Menachem]

Well, in that particular instance, Fremont was the third party candidate. And from what I know of the three of them, the best choice would have been none of the above.

 

[Ravi]

Why do you number all your "points?"

Because that's what the source of her cut and pastes do, silly!

d'oh!

 

[Mr. Shaman]

1. "Group with ties to president engaged in massive 3rd party drive.

2. A mysteriously funded, highly organized effort to secure the ballot for a third party candidate in this year’s election has ties to President Obama and top Democrats, ...

3. The group, calling itself Americans Elect, or AE, seems designed to appear like a massive, grassroots effort involving millions of citizens acting to draft a third party candidate. ...AE describes itself as “a non-partisan, non-profit organization founded by Americans from across the political spectrum who are worried that our nation’s deep political divisions keep big problems from being solved.”

4. AE has reportedly raised more than $22 million so far and has already been certified to be placed on the ballot in 12 states now, including California. To getting on state ballots, AE evidenced mass organizing skills. The group says it collected over 2 million signatures nationwide in its effort to get on state ballots.

5. Arno’s firm, APC, has previously reportedly been accused of forging signatures and collecting signatures using fraud.... APC was accused of forging signatures ...Boston’s Fox 25 News ran a feature interviewing paid signature collectors hired by APC through subcontractors.... they were trained on how to trick people into signing a petition using fraud, including by switching the actual petition text after each signature was collected.

6. Capital Weekly reported ... AE’s more than $1.5 million in funding came from one person – venture capitalist, Unity08 activist and Obama donor, Peter Ackerman. Ackerman reportedly gave AE a total of at least $5 million in seed money....Democracy 21 and the Campaign Legal Center, two campaign finance watchdogs, requested in September the IRS investigate Americans Elect’s charging they may be violating nonprofit status by function like a political party.

7. Pamela Smith, president of VerifiedVoting.org, a voters’ advocacy group, argued AE’s reliance on Internet voting is insecure and difficult to audit. “If you allow it to be used in public elections without assurance that the results are verifiably accurate, that is an extraordinary and unnecessary risk to democracy,” she says.

8. Besides Ackerman, an Obama donor who gave money to help start AE, the advisory board includes Lawrence Lessig, an Obama technology adviser....AE’s CEO, Kahlil Byrd, has drawn scrutiny from conservatives because he formerly served as Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick’s Communications Director. Patrick’s chief strategist was top Obama strategist David Axelrod...AE board member W. Bowman Cutter is senior adviser to the Podesta Group lobbying and public relations firm, which was founded by John Podesta, who directed Obama’s transition into the White House in 2008.

9. A Time magazine article profiled the influence of Podesta’s Center for American Progress in the formation of the Obama administration, stating that “not since the Heritage Foundation helped guide Ronald Reagan’s transition in 1981 has a single outside group held so much sway.”
Is this how Obama win will be guaranteed? Group with ties to president engaged in massive 3rd party drive. « Klein Online

Don't forget to stop at....

....Aaron's store.....

.....on your way out.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

......the left has had to hold their nose and vote democrat for years now.......

Yeah......

.....how tragic.

. . . . ​

 

[Dr.Traveler]

Now, had the Republicans attempted to use this ploy, what would the response from the Left be?

They did with Nader. Tough toe nails. This is part of how the game is played. Nixon (legally) did a similar thing to the Democrats, only he helped determine the actual DNC candidate.

I hope this backfires though. Its about time for a decent third party to rise and replace one of the big two.

 

[VaYank5150]

1. "Group with ties to president engaged in massive 3rd party drive.

2. A mysteriously funded, highly organized effort to secure the ballot for a third party candidate in this year’s election has ties to President Obama and top Democrats, ...

3. The group, calling itself Americans Elect, or AE, seems designed to appear like a massive, grassroots effort involving millions of citizens acting to draft a third party candidate. ...AE describes itself as “a non-partisan, non-profit organization founded by Americans from across the political spectrum who are worried that our nation’s deep political divisions keep big problems from being solved.”

4. AE has reportedly raised more than $22 million so far and has already been certified to be placed on the ballot in 12 states now, including California. To getting on state ballots, AE evidenced mass organizing skills. The group says it collected over 2 million signatures nationwide in its effort to get on state ballots.

5. Arno’s firm, APC, has previously reportedly been accused of forging signatures and collecting signatures using fraud.... APC was accused of forging signatures ...Boston’s Fox 25 News ran a feature interviewing paid signature collectors hired by APC through subcontractors.... they were trained on how to trick people into signing a petition using fraud, including by switching the actual petition text after each signature was collected.

6. Capital Weekly reported ... AE’s more than $1.5 million in funding came from one person – venture capitalist, Unity08 activist and Obama donor, Peter Ackerman. Ackerman reportedly gave AE a total of at least $5 million in seed money....Democracy 21 and the Campaign Legal Center, two campaign finance watchdogs, requested in September the IRS investigate Americans Elect’s charging they may be violating nonprofit status by function like a political party.

7. Pamela Smith, president of VerifiedVoting.org, a voters’ advocacy group, argued AE’s reliance on Internet voting is insecure and difficult to audit. “If you allow it to be used in public elections without assurance that the results are verifiably accurate, that is an extraordinary and unnecessary risk to democracy,” she says.

8. Besides Ackerman, an Obama donor who gave money to help start AE, the advisory board includes Lawrence Lessig, an Obama technology adviser....AE’s CEO, Kahlil Byrd, has drawn scrutiny from conservatives because he formerly served as Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick’s Communications Director. Patrick’s chief strategist was top Obama strategist David Axelrod...AE board member W. Bowman Cutter is senior adviser to the Podesta Group lobbying and public relations firm, which was founded by John Podesta, who directed Obama’s transition into the White House in 2008.

9. A Time magazine article profiled the influence of Podesta’s Center for American Progress in the formation of the Obama administration, stating that “not since the Heritage Foundation helped guide Ronald Reagan’s transition in 1981 has a single outside group held so much sway.”
Is this how Obama win will be guaranteed? Group with ties to president engaged in massive 3rd party drive. « Klein Online

10. "Americans Elect, a nonpartisan group seeking to place a third-party candidate on the presidential ballot this year, has been working to obtain ballot access by gathering signatures across the country, including Tennessee. The group bills itself as "not a third party, but a second process" and is reported to have $30 million in cash to bolster its efforts."
Americans Elect never asked Alexander to consider presidential bid | Nooga.com

Really?


An 'independent' group with ties to Obama, garnering votes for a candidate of their choice, pretending that the process is free of manipulation?
Is this a 'dirty trick' as in running a third party candidate to clinch the election for Obama?

Does the name 'Ross Perot' ring a bell?

So, the Republican "excuse machine" begins....

 

[Synthaholic]

1. "Group with ties to president engaged in massive 3rd party drive.

2. A mysteriously funded, highly organized effort to secure the ballot for a third party candidate in this year’s election has ties to President Obama and top Democrats, ...

3. The group, calling itself Americans Elect, or AE, seems designed to appear like a massive, grassroots effort involving millions of citizens acting to draft a third party candidate. ...AE describes itself as “a non-partisan, non-profit organization founded by Americans from across the political spectrum who are worried that our nation’s deep political divisions keep big problems from being solved.”

4. AE has reportedly raised more than $22 million so far and has already been certified to be placed on the ballot in 12 states now, including California. To getting on state ballots, AE evidenced mass organizing skills. The group says it collected over 2 million signatures nationwide in its effort to get on state ballots.

5. Arno’s firm, APC, has previously reportedly been accused of forging signatures and collecting signatures using fraud.... APC was accused of forging signatures ...Boston’s Fox 25 News ran a feature interviewing paid signature collectors hired by APC through subcontractors.... they were trained on how to trick people into signing a petition using fraud, including by switching the actual petition text after each signature was collected.

6. Capital Weekly reported ... AE’s more than $1.5 million in funding came from one person – venture capitalist, Unity08 activist and Obama donor, Peter Ackerman. Ackerman reportedly gave AE a total of at least $5 million in seed money....Democracy 21 and the Campaign Legal Center, two campaign finance watchdogs, requested in September the IRS investigate Americans Elect’s charging they may be violating nonprofit status by function like a political party.

7. Pamela Smith, president of VerifiedVoting.org, a voters’ advocacy group, argued AE’s reliance on Internet voting is insecure and difficult to audit. “If you allow it to be used in public elections without assurance that the results are verifiably accurate, that is an extraordinary and unnecessary risk to democracy,” she says.

8. Besides Ackerman, an Obama donor who gave money to help start AE, the advisory board includes Lawrence Lessig, an Obama technology adviser....AE’s CEO, Kahlil Byrd, has drawn scrutiny from conservatives because he formerly served as Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick’s Communications Director. Patrick’s chief strategist was top Obama strategist David Axelrod...AE board member W. Bowman Cutter is senior adviser to the Podesta Group lobbying and public relations firm, which was founded by John Podesta, who directed Obama’s transition into the White House in 2008.

9. A Time magazine article profiled the influence of Podesta’s Center for American Progress in the formation of the Obama administration, stating that “not since the Heritage Foundation helped guide Ronald Reagan’s transition in 1981 has a single outside group held so much sway.”
Is this how Obama win will be guaranteed? Group with ties to president engaged in massive 3rd party drive. « Klein Online

10. "Americans Elect, a nonpartisan group seeking to place a third-party candidate on the presidential ballot this year, has been working to obtain ballot access by gathering signatures across the country, including Tennessee. The group bills itself as "not a third party, but a second process" and is reported to have $30 million in cash to bolster its efforts."
Americans Elect never asked Alexander to consider presidential bid | Nooga.com

Really?


An 'independent' group with ties to Obama, garnering votes for a candidate of their choice, pretending that the process is free of manipulation?
Is this a 'dirty trick' as in running a third party candidate to clinch the election for Obama?

Does the name 'Ross Perot' ring a bell?

So, the Republican "excuse machine" begins....

I'm loving all the defense of Mitt Romney: the most un-Conservative, un-Teabagger of all the candidates!

What happened to "no more McCains!!!"?

 

[VaYank5150]

1. "Group with ties to president engaged in massive 3rd party drive.

2. A mysteriously funded, highly organized effort to secure the ballot for a third party candidate in this year’s election has ties to President Obama and top Democrats, ...

3. The group, calling itself Americans Elect, or AE, seems designed to appear like a massive, grassroots effort involving millions of citizens acting to draft a third party candidate. ...AE describes itself as “a non-partisan, non-profit organization founded by Americans from across the political spectrum who are worried that our nation’s deep political divisions keep big problems from being solved.”

4. AE has reportedly raised more than $22 million so far and has already been certified to be placed on the ballot in 12 states now, including California. To getting on state ballots, AE evidenced mass organizing skills. The group says it collected over 2 million signatures nationwide in its effort to get on state ballots.

5. Arno’s firm, APC, has previously reportedly been accused of forging signatures and collecting signatures using fraud.... APC was accused of forging signatures ...Boston’s Fox 25 News ran a feature interviewing paid signature collectors hired by APC through subcontractors.... they were trained on how to trick people into signing a petition using fraud, including by switching the actual petition text after each signature was collected.

6. Capital Weekly reported ... AE’s more than $1.5 million in funding came from one person – venture capitalist, Unity08 activist and Obama donor, Peter Ackerman. Ackerman reportedly gave AE a total of at least $5 million in seed money....Democracy 21 and the Campaign Legal Center, two campaign finance watchdogs, requested in September the IRS investigate Americans Elect’s charging they may be violating nonprofit status by function like a political party.

7. Pamela Smith, president of VerifiedVoting.org, a voters’ advocacy group, argued AE’s reliance on Internet voting is insecure and difficult to audit. “If you allow it to be used in public elections without assurance that the results are verifiably accurate, that is an extraordinary and unnecessary risk to democracy,” she says.

8. Besides Ackerman, an Obama donor who gave money to help start AE, the advisory board includes Lawrence Lessig, an Obama technology adviser....AE’s CEO, Kahlil Byrd, has drawn scrutiny from conservatives because he formerly served as Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick’s Communications Director. Patrick’s chief strategist was top Obama strategist David Axelrod...AE board member W. Bowman Cutter is senior adviser to the Podesta Group lobbying and public relations firm, which was founded by John Podesta, who directed Obama’s transition into the White House in 2008.

9. A Time magazine article profiled the influence of Podesta’s Center for American Progress in the formation of the Obama administration, stating that “not since the Heritage Foundation helped guide Ronald Reagan’s transition in 1981 has a single outside group held so much sway.”
Is this how Obama win will be guaranteed? Group with ties to president engaged in massive 3rd party drive. « Klein Online

10. "Americans Elect, a nonpartisan group seeking to place a third-party candidate on the presidential ballot this year, has been working to obtain ballot access by gathering signatures across the country, including Tennessee. The group bills itself as "not a third party, but a second process" and is reported to have $30 million in cash to bolster its efforts."
Americans Elect never asked Alexander to consider presidential bid | Nooga.com

Really?


An 'independent' group with ties to Obama, garnering votes for a candidate of their choice, pretending that the process is free of manipulation?
Is this a 'dirty trick' as in running a third party candidate to clinch the election for Obama?

Does the name 'Ross Perot' ring a bell?

So, the Republican "excuse machine" begins....

I'm loving all the defense of Mitt Romney: the most un-Conservative, un-Teabagger of all the candidates!

What happened to "no more McCains!!!"?

Reality?

 

[JoeB131]

I'm surprised at your lack of political acumen.

Surely you know that what you are actually saying is that, if Romney is the GOP nominee, you would see Obama as the better choice.


I just can't see that calculus.

I look at it this way. Anything Obama was going to do, he's already done.

Both he and Romney are big government, corporatist liberals. But with him in a second term lame duck with a GOP Congress, we are promised more gridlock. Romney will obligate the GOP to go along with some of his hairbrained schemes to give us more government.

ON the other hand, if a large enough section of us vote third party, it's a message to the GOP that shoving a weird Mormon Robot down out throats after we resoundly said "no", they'll actually let us have a process go around.

 

[Avorysuds]

1. "Group with ties to president engaged in massive 3rd party drive.

2. A mysteriously funded, highly organized effort to secure the ballot for a third party candidate in this year’s election has ties to President Obama and top Democrats, ...

3. The group, calling itself Americans Elect, or AE, seems designed to appear like a massive, grassroots effort involving millions of citizens acting to draft a third party candidate. ...AE describes itself as “a non-partisan, non-profit organization founded by Americans from across the political spectrum who are worried that our nation’s deep political divisions keep big problems from being solved.”

4. AE has reportedly raised more than $22 million so far and has already been certified to be placed on the ballot in 12 states now, including California. To getting on state ballots, AE evidenced mass organizing skills. The group says it collected over 2 million signatures nationwide in its effort to get on state ballots.

5. Arno’s firm, APC, has previously reportedly been accused of forging signatures and collecting signatures using fraud.... APC was accused of forging signatures ...Boston’s Fox 25 News ran a feature interviewing paid signature collectors hired by APC through subcontractors.... they were trained on how to trick people into signing a petition using fraud, including by switching the actual petition text after each signature was collected.

6. Capital Weekly reported ... AE’s more than $1.5 million in funding came from one person – venture capitalist, Unity08 activist and Obama donor, Peter Ackerman. Ackerman reportedly gave AE a total of at least $5 million in seed money....Democracy 21 and the Campaign Legal Center, two campaign finance watchdogs, requested in September the IRS investigate Americans Elect’s charging they may be violating nonprofit status by function like a political party.

7. Pamela Smith, president of VerifiedVoting.org, a voters’ advocacy group, argued AE’s reliance on Internet voting is insecure and difficult to audit. “If you allow it to be used in public elections without assurance that the results are verifiably accurate, that is an extraordinary and unnecessary risk to democracy,” she says.

8. Besides Ackerman, an Obama donor who gave money to help start AE, the advisory board includes Lawrence Lessig, an Obama technology adviser....AE’s CEO, Kahlil Byrd, has drawn scrutiny from conservatives because he formerly served as Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick’s Communications Director. Patrick’s chief strategist was top Obama strategist David Axelrod...AE board member W. Bowman Cutter is senior adviser to the Podesta Group lobbying and public relations firm, which was founded by John Podesta, who directed Obama’s transition into the White House in 2008.

9. A Time magazine article profiled the influence of Podesta’s Center for American Progress in the formation of the Obama administration, stating that “not since the Heritage Foundation helped guide Ronald Reagan’s transition in 1981 has a single outside group held so much sway.”
Is this how Obama win will be guaranteed? Group with ties to president engaged in massive 3rd party drive. « Klein Online

10. "Americans Elect, a nonpartisan group seeking to place a third-party candidate on the presidential ballot this year, has been working to obtain ballot access by gathering signatures across the country, including Tennessee. The group bills itself as "not a third party, but a second process" and is reported to have $30 million in cash to bolster its efforts."
Americans Elect never asked Alexander to consider presidential bid | Nooga.com

Really?


An 'independent' group with ties to Obama, garnering votes for a candidate of their choice, pretending that the process is free of manipulation?
Is this a 'dirty trick' as in running a third party candidate to clinch the election for Obama?

Does the name 'Ross Perot' ring a bell?

And will RON PAUL join thier ranks if he throws a fussfit when he doesn't garner the Republican nod?

I hope so =D

 

[PoliticalChic]

I'm surprised at your lack of political acumen.

Surely you know that what you are actually saying is that, if Romney is the GOP nominee, you would see Obama as the better choice.


I just can't see that calculus.

I look at it this way. Anything Obama was going to do, he's already done.

Both he and Romney are big government, corporatist liberals. But with him in a second term lame duck with a GOP Congress, we are promised more gridlock. Romney will obligate the GOP to go along with some of his hairbrained schemes to give us more government.

ON the other hand, if a large enough section of us vote third party, it's a message to the GOP that shoving a weird Mormon Robot down out throats after we resoundly said "no", they'll actually let us have a process go around.

The pot on the table is fairly signigicant....ObamaCare.

The 'message' pales in comparison....

.....no?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Now, had the Republicans attempted to use this ploy, what would the response from the Left be?

They did with Nader. Tough toe nails. This is part of how the game is played. Nixon (legally) did a similar thing to the Democrats, only he helped determine the actual DNC candidate.

I hope this backfires though. Its about time for a decent third party to rise and replace one of the big two.

The Republicans put Nader up to running?
I'd be interested if you have any links to this.