Obama the Compromiser

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    So, it's been said on this board that Obama would make a bad president because he wouldn't "compromise." I thought I would re-read a January 2007 Harper's Magazine article by Ken Silverstein, and relate to you all what bits of it I found interesting.

    I wonder if stubborn radicalism is part of Obama's strategy...

    There's a perception on these boards that Obama is coming at things from the angle of socialism. What does lobbyist Mike Williams, vice president for legislative affairs at The Bond Market Association, have to say?

    Robert Harmala's impression of Obama came after being invited to see him speak by Lockheed Martin lobbyist Larry Duncan. Did Harmala find Obama to be a particularly stubborn pinko?

    You know, I've been wondering how inexperienced Obama has so handily out- fund-raised Clinton. Is it only electoral momentum?

    Can Mike Williams enlighten us again?

    I wonder what kind of Democrats Obama tends to endorse?

    I should note that Ken Silverstein was writing for Harper's Magazine, which is about as liberal as it gets for hifalutin east-coast magazines. I wonder what he thinks of Obama?

    Changing context, you say? Will it enlighten us regarding comparisons made between Obama and past figures, such as Jimmy Carter or George McGovern?

    Well, that's his opinion, I guess.
     
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    Please don't post factual data. I confuses the other side.:clap2:

    The Swiftboater crowd will continue to put out as much crap as they can no matter that it is true or relates to Obama's ability to be a real president.
     
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    I'm just about to put that lameass "swiftboater" bullshit in the word filter. That's the best you got is some lame accusation based on no real truth?

    It doesn't matter what Obama thinks, nor what any of you sheep want to tell yourselves he is going to do. He will either conform to the bureaucracy of get chewed up and spit out. It's all boils down to "Can he represent the machine?"

    But you keep thinking junior is going to make a difference. Ought to give you some peaceful nights sleep.:rolleyes:
     
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    Please explain why the word Swiftboater is not relevant, Gunny. The actions by the right in this case created a whole new word. They will try and do the same thing to Obama. The flag lapel is just a beginning.

    Somehow, it made it seem like a little rich boy who got into the guard by special intervention was a better patriot than a rich boy who went to Vietnam, got three purple hearts and a silver star.

    Now that is really effective classis spin bullshit and should be remembered. Atwater would have been proud of that before he got cancer.

    You don't like people to bring up this stuff because it happened in the past? What hasn't?
     
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    Seems the Swiftboat Vets were pretty non-partisan, just anti-Kerry. You have different, please post.
     
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    I would put more faith in those who served directly with the man, than those who didn't. Only one disagreed, hmmm. Maybe he was the only honest one?:rofl:

    Kerry screwed up by not coming right back in their face. He blew it and now we have the wonderful economy, war, etc from his majesty, George.

    Again, you compare the patriotism of a man who hid out in Alabama to one who actually went to Vietnam and served in combat. That is how partisan our politics have become.
     
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    All but one, you WOULD think that he was the ONLY one truth telling. My god man, you are unbelievable.
     
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    [QUOTEAll but one, you WOULD think that he was the ONLY one truth telling. My god man, you are unbelievable.][/QUOTE]

    That was sarcasm, Kathy. He was the only one denigrating Kerry. The rest of Kerry's crew, backed him up.

    So if one says Kerry was bad and all the rest of his crew say that ain't so, maybe the Swiftboaters were a bunch of partisan hacks.
     
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    Oh Gunny, you're truly a master of the ironic double-entendre.

    I think the essential point of Ken Silverstein's original article was that Obama has conformed to the machine, albeit a corporate one. I'm merely disputing the downright goofy claim that he's a stubborn radical.

    The only non-partisan swift boat vets weren't a part of that organization. Did you know that John P. O'Neill (one of the group's founders) was originally hired in 1971 by Nixon aide Charles Colson? Were you aware that their media contact, Merrie Spaeth, was a well-known Republican activist and former director of Reagan's Office of Media Liason? Perhaps you've heard that Gannon International (a major Republican donor), whose president and vice president were swift boat vets, was the company under whose name the swift boat site was registered?
     

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