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I did not read that exchange - I don't read every comment on the board. If you feel it worth calling out, please go ahead.
of course you didn't read the exchange you ignorant twit. because she's a rightwingnut loon just like you.
talk about bullies.
hack.
You really are a sad case. Get help.
You could learn something from the way GTH responded, but I doubt you will.
I don't give a shit about your sob stories. I watched My mother die last year and had to make decisions about her. And guess what, we did it all WITHOUT the stinking Guberment sticking their friggen noses in it.
now you are dismissed.
Sorry for your loss.
However, this ironically, goes to the heart of this issue.
Who made decisions about your mother's end of life care? You did.
What did your mother want? I would assume you can only guess. Maybe you were lucky and she verbalized some intent to you. Or maybe you had to simply guess.
End of life planning is simply asking a patient to make their wants and desires in their last days known so that families (or doctors) aren't stuck making decisions that the patient wouldn't have wanted.
The sad situation you were stuck with, is the very thing that the Obama Administration is trying to prevent.
Furthermore, your advanced directive is your own decision. If your wish is to "be kept on the respirator until I die of sepsis from the inevitable hospital acquired infection", then that will be respected.
The point is, people won't have to try and guess what you wanted.
Why this is a bad thing, I still can't figure.
Now this is a proper response. Thank you.
I do disagree with your conclusions, however.
Government encouragements and recommendations often end up being compulsory.
he's free to respond to you any way he wishes. as far as i'm concerned, you were answered the way a pissant with an overly inflated ego deserves to be answered. you're one of the most bitter people i've ever seen and i don't tolerate schoolyard bullies in real life or on the internet, little girl.
now run along and play.
So the left sees no problem with a program being removed from a bill because it does not have the backing of enough congressmen/senators to pass, and then waiting 8 months and writing it back into the bill without any vote.
We'll have to make a note of this tactic. We can fix so much stuff this way.....
So the left sees no problem with a program being removed from a bill because it does not have the backing of enough congressmen/senators to pass, and then waiting 8 months and writing it back into the bill without any vote.
We'll have to make a note of this tactic. We can fix so much stuff this way.....
Politics are politics.
It doesn't change the fact that this is a good idea and doesn't even begin to approximate "death panels".
So basically you oppose this because you feel "the government will fuck it up, regardless of how good the intentions"?
Thanks for at least being honest and not making up a bunch of bullshit about rationing that is nowhere to be found in this initiative.
I think the cognitive dissonance on this matter comes from the fact that most people won't experience ICU hospital care until they are at the end of their lives.
I don't think people with no prognosis for recovery would opt to be hooked to a ventilator, in a diaper, with a catheter in place, with the bed at a 45 degree angle so they don't get aspiration pneumonia (if they are lucky), and being turned every 12 hours to prevent bed sores until God decides to take them, be it a month or a year.
This wasn't an issue in previous years. People simply died and we made our peace with it. Now technology has allowed us to basically keep de-facto corpses artificially breathing.
If you want to go out that way, it's your prerogative. Put it in your Advanced Directive. I don't. Nothing scares me more than the notion of being demented beyond any cognition and on life support. What if I am trapped in a mental existence of suffering conjured up by my own mind because I had some sort of unresolved guilt about this or that and my Judeo-Christian upbringing has conditioned my mind to make me believe I am going to hell?
he's free to respond to you any way he wishes. as far as i'm concerned, you were answered the way a pissant with an overly inflated ego deserves to be answered. you're one of the most bitter people i've ever seen and i don't tolerate schoolyard bullies in real life or on the internet, little girl.
now run along and play.
This is one of the best examples of psychological projection ever posted on this board.
Absolutely Classic!
So the left sees no problem with a program being removed from a bill because it does not have the backing of enough congressmen/senators to pass, and then waiting 8 months and writing it back into the bill without any vote.
We'll have to make a note of this tactic. We can fix so much stuff this way.....
Politics are politics.
It doesn't change the fact that this is a good idea and doesn't even begin to approximate "death panels".
So even though this did not have the required votes it's a good Idea?
Politics must make it alright....
As someone on here once said, "It's bullshit and it's not good for you."
he's free to respond to you any way he wishes. as far as i'm concerned, you were answered the way a pissant with an overly inflated ego deserves to be answered. you're one of the most bitter people i've ever seen and i don't tolerate schoolyard bullies in real life or on the internet, little girl.
now run along and play.
This is one of the best examples of psychological projection ever posted on this board.
Absolutely Classic!
hack.
I love the hypocrisy of Republicans. It's so expected, so normal, so "them".
Remember when Sarah Palin endorsed April 16th 2008 as Healthcare Decisions Day for the state of Alaska? It was the same end of life counseling that Republicans now call euthanasia.
It's like the stimulus package. Republicans were against it, then show up at ribbon cuttings to "take credit" for it.
They have no ideas. All they have is nothing, except to take credit for what Democrats accomplish.
It really is pathetic. Seriously pathetic.
So the left sees no problem with a program being removed from a bill because it does not have the backing of enough congressmen/senators to pass, and then waiting 8 months and writing it back into the bill without any vote.
We'll have to make a note of this tactic. We can fix so much stuff this way.....
Politics are politics.
It doesn't change the fact that this is a good idea and doesn't even begin to approximate "death panels".
So even though this did not have the required votes it's a good Idea?
Politics must make it alright....
As someone on here once said, "It's bullshit and it's not good for you."
Personally, I plan to have an AD. I just don't think the government should be in the business of paying doctors a bounty to recommend them while also controlling our health care system.
Berwick is making noise that we need to "do something" about the 80% of health care spending being upon Old & Sick people. One way to "do something" is to rig the system so that the government encourages doctors and families to put pressure on the elderly along the lines of "having a duty to die".
No thank you.
Just because something is personally smart for a person to do doesn't justify the government wielding power over the individual to do it.
I love the hypocrisy of Republicans. It's so expected, so normal, so "them".
Remember when Sarah Palin endorsed April 16th 2008 as Healthcare Decisions Day for the state of Alaska? It was the same end of life counseling that Republicans now call euthanasia.
It's like the stimulus package. Republicans were against it, then show up at ribbon cuttings to "take credit" for it.
They have no ideas. All they have is nothing, except to take credit for what Democrats accomplish.
It really is pathetic. Seriously pathetic.
And you think the shit we're going through is good compared to the last 30 years?
We're in deep shit and the Dems put us there and all you have to say is, "I bet you can't do any better"
We did better and now the Dems are doing their best to screw everything up....permanently.
You are talking about the way it is now.
Under ObamaCare, there are dozens of agencies that will decide what is covered. It's quite clear that where this is headed is that certain procedures will be denied to people over a certain age.
It's happened in the UK.
It's happened in Canada.
It will happen here.
Read up on Dr. Berwick. His philosophical bias is apparent.
You are talking about the way it is now.
Under ObamaCare, there are dozens of agencies that will decide what is covered. It's quite clear that where this is headed is that certain procedures will be denied to people over a certain age.
It's happened in the UK.
It's happened in Canada.
It will happen here.
Read up on Dr. Berwick. His philosophical bias is apparent.
Again, I won't try and argue hypotheticals with you guys.
As it stands, this is a damn smart policy issue.
You are talking about the way it is now.
Under ObamaCare, there are dozens of agencies that will decide what is covered. It's quite clear that where this is headed is that certain procedures will be denied to people over a certain age.
It's happened in the UK.
It's happened in Canada.
It will happen here.
Read up on Dr. Berwick. His philosophical bias is apparent.
Again, I won't try and argue hypotheticals with you guys.
As it stands, this is a damn smart policy issue.
And above all else; dirty politics and a stab in the back to those who fought against it.
Again, I won't try and argue hypotheticals with you guys.
As it stands, this is a damn smart policy issue.
And above all else; dirty politics and a stab in the back to those who fought against it.
And who was that?
