Obama proposes $1B for science, math teachers

[rightwinger]

The student teacher ratio is lower than it was when our schools were performing better so it is obvious that there are enough teachers.

What does that have to do with science and math teachers?

Are you that dense?

Are you saying that there are less science and math teachers than there were when US schools were the best in the world?

Throwing money at the problem will not help. Reducing the ratio of students to teachers has not improved our schools' performance has it?

So why do we need more teachers?

It is not a question of quantity but quality. The good science and math teachers have long since moved on to greener pastures where the money is. The dot com boom lured them away and they never came back

 

[flacaltenn]

So you believe we have an adequate supply of science and math teachers?

The student teacher ratio is lower than it was when our schools were performing better so it is obvious that there are enough teachers.

What does that have to do with science and math teachers?

YES --- for crying out loud -- there are currently enough. I don't know of ANY schools who are canceling math/science classes for "lack of teachers"... Can we get off that?

Maybe it has more to do with teachers that know WHY math and science are important in the real working world..

We'd need MORE teachers in those areas if we EXPANDED the curriculum in those areas. Like offering advanced application oriented classes like software programming, meterology, electronics, or astronomy. Stuff that would MOTIVATE more interest in math and science.

If anything, we need teachers in those areas who aren't EXPERIMENTING with "modern math" or "whole language" or any number of failed retarding academic ideas. Ditching politically correct indoctrination -- such as "the environment" as the primary application cited in the math and science texts would allow exposure to more areas.

Less College of Education prep -- MORE College of Eng and Sciences requirements for math/science teachers.

 

[Dick Tuck]

The bottom line is, the interest isn't there. We can invest 10 billion dollars but how will that get American kids more interested in math and science?

The money is to provide teachers with a bonus for achieving excellence. You know, like in the private sector. Either you want teachers to become drones, with centrally planned curriculum, or you want to provide incentives when results are achieved.

how about a plaque, isn't that what MOST people get..
Obama throwing our tax dollars around for votes, all it is

No, that's not what most people get in the private sector. They get cash bonuses. They get medals and plaques in Communist countries. So either you like a drone like workforce, that is economically socialist, or you want incentives.

 

[rightwinger]

The student teacher ratio is lower than it was when our schools were performing better so it is obvious that there are enough teachers.

What does that have to do with science and math teachers?

YES --- for crying out loud -- there are currently enough. I don't know of ANY schools who are canceling math/science classes for "lack of teachers"... Can we get off that?

Maybe it has more to do with teachers that know WHY math and science are important in the real working world..

We'd need MORE teachers in those areas if we EXPANDED the curriculum in those areas. Like offering advanced application oriented classes like software programming, meterology, electronics, or astronomy. Stuff that would MOTIVATE more interest in math and science.

If anything, we need teachers in those areas who aren't EXPERIMENTING with "modern math" or "whole language" or any number of failed retarding academic ideas. Ditching politically correct indoctrination -- such as "the environment" as the primary application cited in the math and science texts would allow exposure to more areas.

Less College of Education prep -- MORE College of Eng and Sciences requirements for math/science teachers.

Again it is not a question of filling Science and Math teacher slots. You can take any Industrial Arts or Phys Ed teacher, waive your magic wand and make them a Physics teacher. It doesn't make them a good Physics teacher.

You need good Techno-Geeks to teach Math and Science. As of now, there is no incentive to accept what a teacher makes

 

[Avatar4321]

There are ways to get better quality teachers without spending a billion more dollars we dont have.

 

[Harry Dresden]

All we have been doing is throwing money at education and yet we fall further and further behind other countries.

Seems to me it's about time we stop throwing good money after bad at teachers etc and try something new.

By God, you are right. Just put those little bastards to work in the factories. Worked out so well in Dickens time.

The continued antipathy of the 'Conservatives' toward education and science is evident on this and other boards. They are doing their very best to create a third world nation here in America.

hey Rocks parts of S.Cal is kinda third world now.....are you going to blame that on Conservatives?......try going to El Centro Ca.,.....American City.....yet you just might think your in Mexico.....Spanish is spoken there more than English.....are you going to blame that on Conservatives too?....hey just wondering.....

 

[rightwinger]

There are ways to get better quality teachers without spending a billion more dollars we dont have.

Have some suggestions?

 

[Harry Dresden]

Yep, we need lots more of this.

I agree. I wish more people would realize we aren't enemies but fellow citizens with different ideas of what we should be focusing on as a society.

I'll tell you what....you'd see a hell of a lot more civility from the Democrats on here if the Conservatives would lay off the "Communist/Marxist/the only reason you're Dem is because you're a Leech" bullshit.

No one likes to be treated like shit. Conservatives and Democrats are always going to have Ideological differences....there's no doubt about that. but we shouldn't be enemies.

i agree with ya Steel.....at the same time Democrats like Dean,Chris,Dudley,Franco and TM's to name a few.....have to start realizing that Republicans are not responsible for every fucking bad thing that has happened to this Country.....

 

[mudwhistle]

So you believe we have an adequate supply of science and math teachers?

The student teacher ratio is lower than it was when our schools were performing better so it is obvious that there are enough teachers.

What does that have to do with science and math teachers?

Is there anyone else Obama hasn't promised to give billions to?

Billions of dollars he doesn't have?

Guess Obama never learned how to add and subtract.

 

[Harry Dresden]

The money is to provide teachers with a bonus for achieving excellence. You know, like in the private sector. Either you want teachers to become drones, with centrally planned curriculum, or you want to provide incentives when results are achieved.

how about a plaque, isn't that what MOST people get..
Obama throwing our tax dollars around for votes, all it is

No, that's not what most people get in the private sector. They get cash bonuses. They get medals and plaques in Communist countries. So either you like a drone like workforce, that is economically socialist, or you want incentives.

they gave a Plaque to a guy here for driving 30 years without an accident....i guess the PO is part of that Communist Govt called the USA....i never knew.....

 

[Avatar4321]

There are ways to get better quality teachers without spending a billion more dollars we dont have.

Have some suggestions?

Yeah. You can start keeping them from being immune to firing. Actually hold them accountable for their results.

 

[Rozman]

There are ways to get better quality teachers without spending a billion more dollars we dont have.

And the lefties have a formula for this sort of dilemma.
They use Lib math made famous by that super brain over in the Democrat party Princess Nancy.

When 1 billion dollars that we just don't have wont fix it what does Nancy suggest.

Spend 2 billion dollars on it....

 

[rightwinger]

There are ways to get better quality teachers without spending a billion more dollars we dont have.

Have some suggestions?

Yeah. You can start keeping them from being immune to firing. Actually hold them accountable for their results.

Oh, I get it

Standing over people with a big stick will make them better Science and Math teachers

 

[buckeye45_73]

Obama proposes $1B for science, math teachers - Yahoo! News

We know how Repugs feel about science, lol.

yep we're for real science, you know the newton kind, where liberals like pseudo science the kind that involves "studies" and the results change every year (so is wine good or bad for you, with all those studies I cant keep up).

 

[Skull Pilot]

What does that have to do with science and math teachers?

Are you that dense?

Are you saying that there are less science and math teachers than there were when US schools were the best in the world?

Throwing money at the problem will not help. Reducing the ratio of students to teachers has not improved our schools' performance has it?

So why do we need more teachers?

It is not a question of quantity but quality. The good science and math teachers have long since moved on to greener pastures where the money is. The dot com boom lured them away and they never came back

Wow you just like throwing things out there with no proof don't you?

 

[rightwinger]

Are you that dense?

Are you saying that there are less science and math teachers than there were when US schools were the best in the world?

Throwing money at the problem will not help. Reducing the ratio of students to teachers has not improved our schools' performance has it?

So why do we need more teachers?

It is not a question of quantity but quality. The good science and math teachers have long since moved on to greener pastures where the money is. The dot com boom lured them away and they never came back

Wow you just like throwing things out there with no proof don't you?

How many techno geeks graduate High School and say they want to go on and be teachers? Computer Science, Engineering, Scientific research....that is where the money is

 

[rdean]

How dare they want to teach children "science and stuff". Jesus is all we need to know. Jesus loved "People" and corporations are people. Jesus loved corporations. So we must bow down before corporations. It's what the Bible says to do and if I could read, I would point out the chapter and the verse.

 

[squeeze berry]

All we have been doing is throwing money at education and yet we fall further and further behind other countries.

Seems to me it's about time we stop throwing good money after bad at teachers etc and try something new.

if you are so smart, why don't you become a teacher?

I'm certian then that we will race right to the top

 

[Skull Pilot]

It is not a question of quantity but quality. The good science and math teachers have long since moved on to greener pastures where the money is. The dot com boom lured them away and they never came back

Wow you just like throwing things out there with no proof don't you?

How many techno geeks graduate High School and say they want to go on and be teachers? Computer Science, Engineering, Scientific research....that is where the money is

Why don't you tell me after all it's your theory?

 

[Skull Pilot]

All we have been doing is throwing money at education and yet we fall further and further behind other countries.

Seems to me it's about time we stop throwing good money after bad at teachers etc and try something new.

if you are so smart, why don't you become a teacher?

I'm certian then that we will race right to the top

Seems like you could use a spelling teacher.