Obama on cusp of winning Iran nuclear vote

[Redfish]

Once again...Obama wins and Republicans lose

Getting to be a habit

Once again Obama has to buy of his own party. Obama may win but we know that the country loses. His winning doesn't mean it is a good deal. Have you told your children lately how much debt Obama has heaped upon them?

Please explain your alternate reality if Republicans scuttle this treaty

What happens next?

Put the sanctions back in place. Isolate them from the rest of the world. Then let them know that we are watching and that any new nuclear facilities or expansions to existing ones will be destroyed. Then work covertly with the iranian opposition to take down the ayatollahs and let sane people rule that country.

Iran was a modern, growing economy under the Shah. The Iranian people are a great people. The problem is that the far left religious radicals have taken control. Remove them and the problem is solved.

We have pursued that path got thirty years. They still developed a nuclear program. By following your advice, Iran has a nuclear capability in a year.......Obama sets them back ten years

looking back, we could have taken actions to keep the shah in power but we didn't. We could have prevented the radical islamic takeover and Iran would today be a modern country, but we didn't.

 

[occupied]

ah, someone else using a flawed analogy.... don't you know that the goal at Munich was to play Hitler off against Stalin? Czechoslovakia was sold down the river because it was getting cozy with the USSR.

Actually, you don't know what you are talking about. The Iran agreement shuts down most of Iran's nuclear program and sets them back 25 years in making a bomb, if that's what they were ever doing to start with.

By giving them enough centrifuges to build a bomb, but not enough to run a nuclear power plant?
The odd reality of Iran's centrifuges: Enough for a bomb, not power

Quit acting like enriched Uranium is a nuclear weapons capability. Lost in this debate is the steep development curve beyond enrichment that still would put nuclear capability years away.

Obama Kept Iran's Short Breakout Time a Secret - Bloomberg View
The Barack Obama administration has estimated for years that Iran was at most three months away from enriching enough nuclear fuel for an atomic bomb. B

A nuclear weapons capability is a hell of a lot more than having enough fuel for "a bomb". It seems I have to explain it to you so here goes. Capability means being able to keep a weapon ready and deliverable. That requires so much testing and infrastructure building that it could never escape our notice and provide a lengthy buffer to decide how to attack that capability.

Like Clinton did with N Korea?

N Korea has the ability to build a bomb but can they launch one on a rocket or drop one out of a plane? No one is actually certain about that ten years after their first successful test. A first generation test bomb is huge, it takes a long time to miniaturize one into something that is safe to keep around, has a shelf life long enough to keep at the ready and reliable enough to go off when you want it to yet not go off when don't want it to.

 

[rightwinger]

Once again...Obama wins and Republicans lose

Getting to be a habit

Once again Obama has to buy of his own party. Obama may win but we know that the country loses. His winning doesn't mean it is a good deal. Have you told your children lately how much debt Obama has heaped upon them?

Please explain your alternate reality if Republicans scuttle this treaty

What happens next?

Put the sanctions back in place. Isolate them from the rest of the world. Then let them know that we are watching and that any new nuclear facilities or expansions to existing ones will be destroyed. Then work covertly with the iranian opposition to take down the ayatollahs and let sane people rule that country.

Iran was a modern, growing economy under the Shah. The Iranian people are a great people. The problem is that the far left religious radicals have taken control. Remove them and the problem is solved.

We have pursued that path got thirty years. They still developed a nuclear program. By following your advice, Iran has a nuclear capability in a year.......Obama sets them back ten years

No it doesn't. Did the deal Clinton made with North Korea set them back? The naivete of you libs never ceases to amaze me.

Bush dismantled the deal as soon as he took office

 

[rightwinger]

Once again...Obama wins and Republicans lose

Getting to be a habit

Once again Obama has to buy of his own party. Obama may win but we know that the country loses. His winning doesn't mean it is a good deal. Have you told your children lately how much debt Obama has heaped upon them?

Please explain your alternate reality if Republicans scuttle this treaty

What happens next?

Put the sanctions back in place. Isolate them from the rest of the world. Then let them know that we are watching and that any new nuclear facilities or expansions to existing ones will be destroyed. Then work covertly with the iranian opposition to take down the ayatollahs and let sane people rule that country.

Iran was a modern, growing economy under the Shah. The Iranian people are a great people. The problem is that the far left religious radicals have taken control. Remove them and the problem is solved.

We have pursued that path got thirty years. They still developed a nuclear program. By following your advice, Iran has a nuclear capability in a year.......Obama sets them back ten years

looking back, we could have taken actions to keep the shah in power but we didn't. We could have prevented the radical islamic takeover and Iran would today be a modern country, but we didn't.

Our actions to keep the Shah in power resulted in the Iran hostage crisis and those "Death to America" chants you love so well

 

[Redfish]

Once again Obama has to buy of his own party. Obama may win but we know that the country loses. His winning doesn't mean it is a good deal. Have you told your children lately how much debt Obama has heaped upon them?

Please explain your alternate reality if Republicans scuttle this treaty

What happens next?

Put the sanctions back in place. Isolate them from the rest of the world. Then let them know that we are watching and that any new nuclear facilities or expansions to existing ones will be destroyed. Then work covertly with the iranian opposition to take down the ayatollahs and let sane people rule that country.

Iran was a modern, growing economy under the Shah. The Iranian people are a great people. The problem is that the far left religious radicals have taken control. Remove them and the problem is solved.

We have pursued that path got thirty years. They still developed a nuclear program. By following your advice, Iran has a nuclear capability in a year.......Obama sets them back ten years

No it doesn't. Did the deal Clinton made with North Korea set them back? The naivete of you libs never ceases to amaze me.

Bush dismantled the deal as soon as he took office

too late, NK already had nukes thanks to clinton

 

[Redfish]

Once again Obama has to buy of his own party. Obama may win but we know that the country loses. His winning doesn't mean it is a good deal. Have you told your children lately how much debt Obama has heaped upon them?

Please explain your alternate reality if Republicans scuttle this treaty

What happens next?

Put the sanctions back in place. Isolate them from the rest of the world. Then let them know that we are watching and that any new nuclear facilities or expansions to existing ones will be destroyed. Then work covertly with the iranian opposition to take down the ayatollahs and let sane people rule that country.

Iran was a modern, growing economy under the Shah. The Iranian people are a great people. The problem is that the far left religious radicals have taken control. Remove them and the problem is solved.

We have pursued that path got thirty years. They still developed a nuclear program. By following your advice, Iran has a nuclear capability in a year.......Obama sets them back ten years

looking back, we could have taken actions to keep the shah in power but we didn't. We could have prevented the radical islamic takeover and Iran would today be a modern country, but we didn't.

Our actions to keep the Shah in power resulted in the Iran hostage crisis and those "Death to America" chants you love so well

Nope. I was in Iran during those years. You are full of shit.

 

[JoeB131]

By giving them enough centrifuges to build a bomb, but not enough to run a nuclear power plant?
The odd reality of Iran's centrifuges: Enough for a bomb, not power

Cleetus, you don't need any centrifuges for a nuclear plant.

You can just use fuel someone else processed for you.

What you rednecks don't seem to get is that Iran can't make a bomb if they give up all the things the agreement makes them give up.

This agreement is a win for the United States.

 

[occupied]

Once again...Obama wins and Republicans lose

Getting to be a habit

Once again Obama has to buy of his own party. Obama may win but we know that the country loses. His winning doesn't mean it is a good deal. Have you told your children lately how much debt Obama has heaped upon them?

Please explain your alternate reality if Republicans scuttle this treaty

What happens next?

Put the sanctions back in place. Isolate them from the rest of the world. Then let them know that we are watching and that any new nuclear facilities or expansions to existing ones will be destroyed. Then work covertly with the iranian opposition to take down the ayatollahs and let sane people rule that country.

Iran was a modern, growing economy under the Shah. The Iranian people are a great people. The problem is that the far left religious radicals have taken control. Remove them and the problem is solved.

We have pursued that path got thirty years. They still developed a nuclear program. By following your advice, Iran has a nuclear capability in a year.......Obama sets them back ten years

looking back, we could have taken actions to keep the shah in power but we didn't. We could have prevented the radical islamic takeover and Iran would today be a modern country, but we didn't.

Iran is a modern country, most conservatives seem to think it is a primitive shithole like Afghanistan. They are actually more developed, educated and westernized than our "friends" Saudi Arabia. The Shah was a tyrannical SOB and Iran had every right to depose him, it's sad that the forces of radical Islam stepped into the resulting power vacuum but it is typical of what happens when colonial rule collapses.

 

[JoeB131]

looking back, we could have taken actions to keep the shah in power but we didn't. We could have prevented the radical islamic takeover and Iran would today be a modern country, but we didn't.

No, we couldn't have. The Shah was done after the 1979 Earthquake.

 

[Obiwan]

By giving them enough centrifuges to build a bomb, but not enough to run a nuclear power plant?
The odd reality of Iran's centrifuges: Enough for a bomb, not power

Cleetus, you don't need any centrifuges for a nuclear plant.

You can just use fuel someone else processed for you.

What you rednecks don't seem to get is that Iran can't make a bomb if they give up all the things the agreement makes them give up.

This agreement is a win for the United States.

OK, genius...

If Iran doesn't need centrifuges for nuclear power, why do they need them at all?

 

[Redfish]

Once again Obama has to buy of his own party. Obama may win but we know that the country loses. His winning doesn't mean it is a good deal. Have you told your children lately how much debt Obama has heaped upon them?

Please explain your alternate reality if Republicans scuttle this treaty

What happens next?

Put the sanctions back in place. Isolate them from the rest of the world. Then let them know that we are watching and that any new nuclear facilities or expansions to existing ones will be destroyed. Then work covertly with the iranian opposition to take down the ayatollahs and let sane people rule that country.

Iran was a modern, growing economy under the Shah. The Iranian people are a great people. The problem is that the far left religious radicals have taken control. Remove them and the problem is solved.

We have pursued that path got thirty years. They still developed a nuclear program. By following your advice, Iran has a nuclear capability in a year.......Obama sets them back ten years

looking back, we could have taken actions to keep the shah in power but we didn't. We could have prevented the radical islamic takeover and Iran would today be a modern country, but we didn't.

Iran is a modern country, most conservatives seem to think it is a primitive shithole like Afghanistan. They are actually more developed, educated and westernized than our "friends" Saudi Arabia. The Shah was a tyrannical SOB and Iran had every right to depose him, it's sad that the forces of radical Islam stepped into the resulting power vacuum but it is typical of what happens when colonial rule collapses.

Yes, in many ways Iran is a modern country. The Shah brought it out of the dark ages into the 20th century, now the ayatollahs are taking it back to the 17th century. The real victims are the Iranian people.

Your views of the Shah are the result of left wing indoctrination. I was there.

 

[Jantje_Smit]

This agreement is a win for the United States.

You're missing the point, it's bad for Netanyahoo and his zionist buddies.

 

[occupied]

Once again...Obama wins and Republicans lose

Getting to be a habit

Once again Obama has to buy of his own party. Obama may win but we know that the country loses. His winning doesn't mean it is a good deal. Have you told your children lately how much debt Obama has heaped upon them?

Please explain your alternate reality if Republicans scuttle this treaty

What happens next?

Put the sanctions back in place. Isolate them from the rest of the world. Then let them know that we are watching and that any new nuclear facilities or expansions to existing ones will be destroyed. Then work covertly with the iranian opposition to take down the ayatollahs and let sane people rule that country.

Iran was a modern, growing economy under the Shah. The Iranian people are a great people. The problem is that the far left religious radicals have taken control. Remove them and the problem is solved.

We have pursued that path got thirty years. They still developed a nuclear program. By following your advice, Iran has a nuclear capability in a year.......Obama sets them back ten years

No it doesn't. Did the deal Clinton made with North Korea set them back? The naivete of you libs never ceases to amaze me.

North Korea made the decision to starve their people to death to defy the west, Iran cannot do that. They nearly had a revolution just a few years ago and after brutally putting it down eased a lot of their strict laws on speech, sedition and morality. In short, the Iranians would never allow themselves to be ruled like the Koreans. Iran came to the table to quell rising unrest over the economy more than anything else.

 

[occupied]

Please explain your alternate reality if Republicans scuttle this treaty

What happens next?

Put the sanctions back in place. Isolate them from the rest of the world. Then let them know that we are watching and that any new nuclear facilities or expansions to existing ones will be destroyed. Then work covertly with the iranian opposition to take down the ayatollahs and let sane people rule that country.

Iran was a modern, growing economy under the Shah. The Iranian people are a great people. The problem is that the far left religious radicals have taken control. Remove them and the problem is solved.

We have pursued that path got thirty years. They still developed a nuclear program. By following your advice, Iran has a nuclear capability in a year.......Obama sets them back ten years

looking back, we could have taken actions to keep the shah in power but we didn't. We could have prevented the radical islamic takeover and Iran would today be a modern country, but we didn't.

Iran is a modern country, most conservatives seem to think it is a primitive shithole like Afghanistan. They are actually more developed, educated and westernized than our "friends" Saudi Arabia. The Shah was a tyrannical SOB and Iran had every right to depose him, it's sad that the forces of radical Islam stepped into the resulting power vacuum but it is typical of what happens when colonial rule collapses.

Yes, in many ways Iran is a modern country. The Shah brought it out of the dark ages into the 20th century, now the ayatollahs are taking it back to the 17th century. The real victims are the Iranian people.

Your views of the Shah are the result of left wing indoctrination. I was there.

You were there? So what, you act like you have not kept track of them since.

 

[Dana7360]

Chalk up another victory for Obama and another defeat for Republican fear mongering

Considering it seems the vote is barely veto proof, it's not much of a victory, is it?

It also means a dozen or so democrats think the deal smells.

If it's veto proof that means that some republicans like it and voted for it too.

 

[BluesLegend]

It won't be much longer and we'll undo all of Obama's idiocy, his legacy will last maybe 1 year after he leaves office.

 

[occupied]

It won't be much longer and we'll undo all of Obama's idiocy, his legacy will last maybe 1 year after he leaves office.

Obama's most lasting legacy may be the fracturing of the GOP into a totally dysfunctional group of warring factions too busy backstabbing each other to actually do anything.

 

[Redfish]

Once again Obama has to buy of his own party. Obama may win but we know that the country loses. His winning doesn't mean it is a good deal. Have you told your children lately how much debt Obama has heaped upon them?

Please explain your alternate reality if Republicans scuttle this treaty

What happens next?

Put the sanctions back in place. Isolate them from the rest of the world. Then let them know that we are watching and that any new nuclear facilities or expansions to existing ones will be destroyed. Then work covertly with the iranian opposition to take down the ayatollahs and let sane people rule that country.

Iran was a modern, growing economy under the Shah. The Iranian people are a great people. The problem is that the far left religious radicals have taken control. Remove them and the problem is solved.

We have pursued that path got thirty years. They still developed a nuclear program. By following your advice, Iran has a nuclear capability in a year.......Obama sets them back ten years

No it doesn't. Did the deal Clinton made with North Korea set them back? The naivete of you libs never ceases to amaze me.

North Korea made the decision to starve their people to death to defy the west, Iran cannot do that. They nearly had a revolution just a few years ago and after brutally putting it down eased a lot of their strict laws on speech, sedition and morality. In short, the Iranians would never allow themselves to be ruled like the Koreans. Iran came to the table to quell rising unrest over the economy more than anything else.

yeah, right they came to the table and walked away with the table, the chairs, billions of dollars, and the ability to have nuclear bombs in the very near future. They won, we lost. Kerry and obama are incompetents.

 

[Redfish]

Put the sanctions back in place. Isolate them from the rest of the world. Then let them know that we are watching and that any new nuclear facilities or expansions to existing ones will be destroyed. Then work covertly with the iranian opposition to take down the ayatollahs and let sane people rule that country.

Iran was a modern, growing economy under the Shah. The Iranian people are a great people. The problem is that the far left religious radicals have taken control. Remove them and the problem is solved.

We have pursued that path got thirty years. They still developed a nuclear program. By following your advice, Iran has a nuclear capability in a year.......Obama sets them back ten years

looking back, we could have taken actions to keep the shah in power but we didn't. We could have prevented the radical islamic takeover and Iran would today be a modern country, but we didn't.

Iran is a modern country, most conservatives seem to think it is a primitive shithole like Afghanistan. They are actually more developed, educated and westernized than our "friends" Saudi Arabia. The Shah was a tyrannical SOB and Iran had every right to depose him, it's sad that the forces of radical Islam stepped into the resulting power vacuum but it is typical of what happens when colonial rule collapses.

Yes, in many ways Iran is a modern country. The Shah brought it out of the dark ages into the 20th century, now the ayatollahs are taking it back to the 17th century. The real victims are the Iranian people.

Your views of the Shah are the result of left wing indoctrination. I was there.

You were there? So what, you act like you have not kept track of them since.

yes, I have. I keep in touch with friends there and I know exactly what has been going on.

 

[Redfish]

It won't be much longer and we'll undo all of Obama's idiocy, his legacy will last maybe 1 year after he leaves office.

Obama's most lasting legacy may be the fracturing of the GOP into a totally dysfunctional group of warring factions too busy backstabbing each other to actually do anything.

I want some of what you are smoking.