Obama is wrong. You can catch Ebola by sitting next to someone.

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Obama says that you can't catch Ebola by setting next to someone on the bus. He is wrong. I have heard Obama say some stupid things, but this time his ignorance may cause people to die and I have a duty to respond.

Let's start with what everyone knows or should know. Ebola is spread by body fluids and saliva is a body fluid. Whenever a person sneezes or coughs, small droplets of germ-filled saliva are projected. If a person with Ebola rides a bus, a single sneeze or cough can contaminate those in close proximity.

However, the reality is much worse than many people think. It appears that a single cough or sneeze can contaminate an entire room, or an entire bus!

“Sneezes emit a disgusting gas cloud full of germs that linger in the air and spread throughout a much greater area than previously realized, according to a study from MIT.

“The video above uses high-speed imaging to show how far some droplets travel after a sneeze. While a large percentage stay clustered together, smaller droplets travel off-screen before the video even ends.”

“The images of coughs and sneezes revealed that small droplets could travel dramatically farther than previously estimated.

“If you ignored the presence of the gas cloud, your first guess would be that larger drops go farther than the smaller ones, and travel at most a couple of meters,” said John Bush, a professor of applied mathematics at MIT, in a press release. “We have shown that there’s a circulation within the cloud — the smaller drops can be swept around and re-suspended … Basically, small drops can be carried a great distance by this gas cloud while the larger drops fall out.

“Researchers found that some of the smallest droplets — as small as 10 millionths of a meter in diameter — can travel 200 times farther than previously estimated.

"According to the previous physical picture, no drops would travel more than a couple of meters," Bush told weather.com. "According to our revised physical picture, small drops can be resuspended by the gas cloud, and so easily span the entirety of a room" (Emphasis my own).

Sneezed Germs Travel HOW Far - weather.com

Although the above article covers just coughing and sneezing, it is obvious that even talking can spread the Ebola virus the same way.

“Flu germs spread from person to person by way of coughing, sneezing or simply talking. That's because droplets from an infected person get into the air and are inhaled by people nearby. Anyone within three feet can easily be infected. Flu germs also are spread when a person touches something that is contaminated with germs, and then touches their eyes, nose or mouth. Flu germs can live for hours on surfaces like doorknobs, desks and tables. Too bad they don't glow green, so we could see them, and avoid coming in contact with them! But be aware—they're there. Fortunately, there are ways to avoid them.”

This is How Germs Spread... It s Sickening

If you put your hand in front of your mouth and cough or sneeze you will feel a current of air that will spread the virus far and wide. If you put your hand in front of your mouth and talk, you will feel the same air current, especially when you say the words with the letter “T” and “P”.

Now I will tell you how easy it is to get Ebola from a fellow bus rider. First, the stricken rider sneezes spreading a virus-laden moisture cloud that spreads throughout the bus. Then another passenger inhales the virus and becomes a victim; or he simply touches a surface that has been contaminated and then touches his mouth, picks his nose or rubs his eyes.

This is the worst part: The Ebola virus remains alive outside a host for a period of severa days. This means that all those who ride in the same bus long after the diseased passenger has long departed are in danger of being infected. This is serious stuff, folks.

“SURVIVAL OUTSIDE HOST: The virus can survive in liquid or dried material for a number of days. Infectivity is found to be stable at room temperature or at 4°C for several days, and indefinitely stable at -70°C. Infectivity can be preserved by lyophilisation” (footnote numbers removed to avoid confusion).

Infectious Disease Index - Ebola virus MSDSonline

Note: For those skeptics who don't believe that Ebola can be transmitted through saliva, consider the following excerpt form an article in The Journal of Infectious Diseases::

“Clinical specimens. Fifty-four specimens from 26 patients, 12 (46%) of whom died, were collected (table 1). Sixteen clinical specimens from 12 patients were positive by virus culture (4 specimens) and/or RT-PCR (16 specimens), including saliva (8 of 16), skin swab (1 of 11), stool (2 of 4), semen (1 of 2), breast milk (2 of 2), tears (1 of 1), and nasal blood (1 of 1). No virus was found in urine (0 of 11), vomit (0 of 2), sputum (0 of 2), sweat (0 of 1), or the body louse (0 of 1). Three of the 16 positive specimens (2 saliva and 1 nasal blood) visibly contained blood.”



Assessment of the Risk of Ebola Virus Transmission from Bodily Fluids and Fomites

Conclusion: Obama says you can't get Ebola by sitting next to someone on a bus. Obama is wrong and those who believe him may unknowingly place themselves in danger. Personally, when it comes to the spread of Ebola, I think Obama knows better but he's lying his ass off to keep panic from spreading and from causing people to avoid public transportation. Either way, what he says in untrue.
 
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Should be adopting some Japanese cultural traditions too like not infecting classmates or co-workers with your cold or flus by wearing surgical masks when sick.

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So? Cough into your sleeve like a responsible citizen then.

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That's 100% effective right?????? Something like Duck Tape your windows in case of a GAS ATTACK?

More likely to die from some complication due to freaking out about this stuff than the stuff itself. Like dashing away from someone you think is sick and right out in front of an oncoming bus. :) If it was so easy to catch, everyone over in Africa would be dead. They aren't, because it's not that easily caught.
 
Lonelaugher must explain this one. According to him Obama is too intelligent to make such a mistake.
 
Since you've done so much research into epidemiology, have you found a single eminent epidemiologist who suggests strict travel quarantines to deal with the ebola threat?
 
So? Cough into your sleeve like a responsible citizen then.

sleeve_sneeze1.jpg


sleeve_sneeze2.jpg

That's 100% effective right?????? Something like Duck Tape your windows in case of a GAS ATTACK?

More likely to die from some complication due to freaking out about this stuff than the stuff itself. Like dashing away from someone you think is sick and right out in front of an oncoming bus. :) If it was so easy to catch, everyone over in Africa would be dead. They aren't, because it's not that easily caught.

Yes, suicide by bus when running away from a coughing stranger, is HIGH on the list of causes of death.

WHO Update - over 8,000 Ebola cases - CDC provides no data from US to WHO!!

8033 Cases

3879 Deaths from current PLAGUE in Africa!
 
Since you've done so much research into epidemiology, have you found a single eminent epidemiologist who suggests strict travel quarantines to deal with the ebola threat?

Considering the recent news and the consequences of one becoming infected with Ebola,Doc - how much research and verification do you believe one must obtain in order to draw a logical conclusion that strict travel quarantines should be enforced immediately?
 
Obama says that you can't catch Ebola by setting next to someone on the bus. He is wrong. I have heard Obama say some stupid things, but this time his ignorance may cause people to die and I have a duty to respond.

Let's start with what everyone knows or should know. Ebola is spread by body fluids and saliva is a body fluid. Whenever a person sneezes or coughs, small droplets of germ-filled saliva are projected. If a person with Ebola rides a bus, a single sneeze or cough can contaminate those in close proximity.

However, the reality is much worse than many people think. It appears that a single cough or sneeze can contaminate an entire room, or an entire bus!

“Sneezes emit a disgusting gas cloud full of germs that linger in the air and spread throughout a much greater area than previously realized, according to a study from MIT.

“The video above uses high-speed imaging to show how far some droplets travel after a sneeze. While a large percentage stay clustered together, smaller droplets travel off-screen before the video even ends.”

“The images of coughs and sneezes revealed that small droplets could travel dramatically farther than previously estimated.

“If you ignored the presence of the gas cloud, your first guess would be that larger drops go farther than the smaller ones, and travel at most a couple of meters,” said John Bush, a professor of applied mathematics at MIT, in a press release. “We have shown that there’s a circulation within the cloud — the smaller drops can be swept around and re-suspended … Basically, small drops can be carried a great distance by this gas cloud while the larger drops fall out.

“Researchers found that some of the smallest droplets — as small as 10 millionths of a meter in diameter — can travel 200 times farther than previously estimated.

"According to the previous physical picture, no drops would travel more than a couple of meters," Bush told weather.com. "According to our revised physical picture, small drops can be resuspended by the gas cloud, and so easily span the entirety of a room" (Emphasis my own).

Sneezed Germs Travel HOW Far - weather.com

Although the above article covers just coughing and sneezing, it is obvious that even talking can spread the Ebola virus the same way.

“Flu germs spread from person to person by way of coughing, sneezing or simply talking. That's because droplets from an infected person get into the air and are inhaled by people nearby. Anyone within three feet can easily be infected. Flu germs also are spread when a person touches something that is contaminated with germs, and then touches their eyes, nose or mouth. Flu germs can live for hours on surfaces like doorknobs, desks and tables. Too bad they don't glow green, so we could see them, and avoid coming in contact with them! But be aware—they're there. Fortunately, there are ways to avoid them.”

This is How Germs Spread... It s Sickening

If you put your hand in front of your mouth and cough or sneeze you will feel a current of air that will spread the virus far and wide. If you put your hand in front of your mouth and talk, you will feel the same air current, especially when you say the words with the letter “T” and “P”.

Now I will tell you how easy it is to get Ebola from a fellow bus rider. First, the stricken rider sneezes spreading a virus-laden moisture cloud that spreads throughout the bus. Then another passenger inhales the virus and becomes a victim; or he simply touches a surface that has been contaminated and then touches his mouth, picks his nose or rubs his eyes.

This is the worst part: The Ebola virus remains alive outside a host for a period of severa days. This means that all those who ride in the same bus long after the diseased passenger has long departed are in danger of being infected. This is serious stuff, folks.

“SURVIVAL OUTSIDE HOST: The virus can survive in liquid or dried material for a number of days. Infectivity is found to be stable at room temperature or at 4°C for several days, and indefinitely stable at -70°C. Infectivity can be preserved by lyophilisation” (footnote numbers removed to avoid confusion).

Infectious Disease Index - Ebola virus MSDSonline

Note: For those skeptics who don't believe that Ebola can be transmitted through saliva, consider the following excerpt form an article in The Journal of Infectious Diseases::

“Clinical specimens. Fifty-four specimens from 26 patients, 12 (46%) of whom died, were collected (table 1). Sixteen clinical specimens from 12 patients were positive by virus culture (4 specimens) and/or RT-PCR (16 specimens), including saliva (8 of 16), skin swab (1 of 11), stool (2 of 4), semen (1 of 2), breast milk (2 of 2), tears (1 of 1), and nasal blood (1 of 1). No virus was found in urine (0 of 11), vomit (0 of 2), sputum (0 of 2), sweat (0 of 1), or the body louse (0 of 1). Three of the 16 positive specimens (2 saliva and 1 nasal blood) visibly contained blood.”



Assessment of the Risk of Ebola Virus Transmission from Bodily Fluids and Fomites

Conclusion: Obama says you can't get Ebola by sitting next to someone on a bus. Obama is wrong and those who believe him may unknowingly place themselves in danger. Personally, when it comes to the spread of Ebola, I think Obama knows better but he's lying his ass off to keep panic from spreading and from causing people to avoid public transportation. Either way, what he says in untrue.

Contagion Blast Radius: How Far Can Ebola Droplets Travel?

The study made a startling realization: there’s a crucial respiratory cloud that you expel every time you sneeze or cough, which is made up of hot/moist air and some water. This cloud actually enhanced the range and travel length of the smaller droplets, helping them travel way farther than they previously thought.

Because the droplets are in a cloud, they stay suspended and travel further — particularly smaller ones, which travel up to 200 times farther than previously estimated. Therefore, they can penetrate the room and ventilation systems more insidiously.

Ebola Can Survive Outside the Host
Based on experimental findings, Ebola has the capacity to live outside its host. The virus can survive in liquid or dried blood even in low temperatures. Source Given that most germs travel by moisture droplets in the air and on our hands, think about how many communal objects we touch every day: door knobs, remote controls, cell phones, pens, handshakes, food and pets (germs can be transferred from petting animals). Perhaps it is purely speculation, but could we apply the MIT research to the fear of Ebola spreading throughout cities and communities? Much of our population is in close proximity to one another. We take subways, trains and buses to get to work, sit in classrooms and work in close relation to others. Not to mention our advanced transportations have the capacity to take us anywhere in the world. It is not too far of a stretch to assume that within these population dense areas others could quickly be infected with the Ebola virus.

Contagion Blast Radius How Far Can Ebola Droplets Travel Ready Nutrition

as usual the prezbo is lying to the peoples
 
Since you've done so much research into epidemiology, have you found a single eminent epidemiologist who suggests strict travel quarantines to deal with the ebola threat?

Considering the recent news and the consequences of one becoming infected with Ebola,Doc - how much research and verification do you believe one must obtain in order to draw a logical conclusion that strict travel quarantines should be enforced immediately?

Well, I'd like a single person who actually knows what they're talking about - someone who studies disease vectors and transmission professionally - to offer an opinion on it.

Rather than just the hysterical, fear-mongering rants about it that I've seen so far.

You (and everyone else posting their hysterics) don't have anywhere near enough understanding of it to have the ability to come to any "logical" conclusions about it. The givens required are simply not at your disposal.
 
Obama is sending 3,000 US soldiers over there to where the Ebola virus is? Is this a bad joke or what?!!

Where's Lonelaugher?

As Ricky would say.......you got some 'splainin' to do, Lucy!
 
Since you've done so much research into epidemiology, have you found a single eminent epidemiologist who suggests strict travel quarantines to deal with the ebola threat?

Does this qualify in your book?

Local Epidemiologist Speaks To Danger Of Ebola Threat In U.S. News in Detroit

Well, no - since that epidemiologist does not suggest "travel quarantine", and agrees with the way the CDC and Obama are handling it.

Did you bother to read your link? Somehow I doubt it.
 
Expert: ‘Very real’ chance U.S. soldiers deployed to African hot zone will get Ebola!!!!

Hot Air ^

Jazz Shaw reported on Sunday that a Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital care provider who treated Thomas Eric Duncan, the American Ebola victim whom the Centers for Disease Control have taken to calling the “index patient,” has tested positive for the deadly hemorrhagic fever. Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, Dr. Anthony Fauci, told the Associated Press that the spread of the infection was the result of a failure to observe proper procedures for handling an Ebola patient. He added that there “certainly had to have been an inadvertent, innocent breach of protocol of taking care of...
 
Since you've done so much research into epidemiology, have you found a single eminent epidemiologist who suggests strict travel quarantines to deal with the ebola threat?

Considering the recent news and the consequences of one becoming infected with Ebola,Doc - how much research and verification do you believe one must obtain in order to draw a logical conclusion that strict travel quarantines should be enforced immediately?

Well, I'd like a single person who actually knows what they're talking about - someone who studies disease vectors and transmission professionally - to offer an opinion on it.

Rather than just the hysterical, fear-mongering rants about it that I've seen so far.

You (and everyone else posting their hysterics) don't have anywhere near enough understanding of it to have the ability to come to any "logical" conclusions about it. The givens required are simply not at your disposal.

In other words, you are going to stay in denial as long as possible. Listen up, Doc. I'm not into hysterics but neither am I in denial. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see where this is going. We should not be allowing any air travel with these nations reporting Ebola Plague and we most definitely should not be sending in 3,000 of our own US Soldiers as if it were an enemy combatant that our soldiers are going to do warfare with. This latest story of sending 3,000 US Soldiers into the Ebola afflicted nation is utterly ridiculous. Please convey my thoughts to "Lonelaugher" and tell him I'm not laughing. Good night.
 
So? Cough into your sleeve like a responsible citizen then.

sleeve_sneeze1.jpg


sleeve_sneeze2.jpg

That's 100% effective right?????? Something like Duck Tape your windows in case of a GAS ATTACK?

More likely to die from some complication due to freaking out about this stuff than the stuff itself. Like dashing away from someone you think is sick and right out in front of an oncoming bus. :) If it was so easy to catch, everyone over in Africa would be dead. They aren't, because it's not that easily caught.

Yes, suicide by bus when running away from a coughing stranger, is HIGH on the list of causes of death.

WHO Update - over 8,000 Ebola cases - CDC provides no data from US to WHO!!

8033 Cases

3879 Deaths from current PLAGUE in Africa!

3879 down, 1.1 billion to go. Hardly a plague.
 
Since you've done so much research into epidemiology, have you found a single eminent epidemiologist who suggests strict travel quarantines to deal with the ebola threat?

Does this qualify in your book?

Local Epidemiologist Speaks To Danger Of Ebola Threat In U.S. News in Detroit

Well, no - since that epidemiologist does not suggest "travel quarantine", and agrees with the way the CDC and Obama are handling it.

Did you bother to read your link? Somehow I doubt it.

Does that person qualify as an expert in your book, is what I was referring to. I have NO IDEA of a famous epidemiologist!
 

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