Obama Is "At War With State And Local Law Enforcement"

[Rat in the Hat]

they just keep yammering on and refusing to denouce the OPs obvious lie.


They think they gain something by insulting people for pointing out their lies.

the only thing they gain is the reputation of being unrenpentant liars.

I'll denounce it as a lie just as soon as you can provide cold, hard facts that illegals will be unable to call the hotline.

Deal??

I can just as easily say that this forum was set up for illegal aliens and then defend that statement by hiding behind the argument that nobody can provide me we cold hard facts that illegals will not be able to post here.

So you think that hotline was set up for only American citizens to call into?

 

[tinydancer]

How can you type with your head so far up your own ass?

ah the "your a poopy pants" defense.

that doesnt make you lies dissapear

Are you serious? All you do is call people "fucking liar asshole partisan racists moron idiots" and yet I use the poopy pants defense. All you do is name call. You don't have the high ground to tell someone else that they use the poopy pants defense.

I'm loving your conversation with TM.

 

[peach174]

Did the OP lie when they claimed this was for illegals?

No they didn't
It's for legals and illegals.
Especially for illegals who will complain about Police harassment (aka racial profiling).

 

[Truthmatters]

you loving your lies too TD?

 

[Zxereus]

Reagan passed the largest amnesty bill in the nation's history. There was not one peep from the Republican base because conservative information sources under-reported the story.

Under Bush, Karl Rove pushed for an even more liberal amnesty policy than anything imagined by Obama. He did this as a response to the electoral reality of a growing hispanic population. This is why Bush's "Ownership Society" targeted poor Latino's for home ownership.

The problem with the Arizona law is that it dramatically expands the powers of local government. It gives too much power to the state. [Republicans who listen to a lot of talk radio or media sources of equally low substance tend not to understand this kind of thing] For instance, imagine if a rogue Lefty prosecutor were elected in Arizona. Imagine if he wanted to make trouble for gun owners. This law gives him the power to stop, detain and search without sufficient oversight. All he need is say that "X" appeared to be one in violation of the illegal immigration statute - but, and here is where you lose some conservatives: there is no evidentiary oversight with which to review the state's decision. This puts absolute discretion - unchecked power - in the hands of law enforcement. Let's say law the enforcement was controlled by a partisan who didn't want gun owners voting. He could use his powers under this law to stop, detain and cause trouble for virtually anyone. He could go on phishing expeditions of gun owners until he found something. He could conduct searches of any group he wanted and there is no over-arching body who can review his decision in order to make sure it fit the intent of the law. This is why some of us don't want unlimited power in State or Federal government. [Republicans tend to give unlimited power to the state in matters of law enforcement. The Reagan War on Drugs and the Bush War on Terrorism gave local and Federal law enforcement agencies more concentrated power than anything ever imagined by FDR or LBJ. The GOP scares under-educated voters with images of Bin Laden or illegals in order to make the state more powerful. ]

It would be great if we could deport all the rule-breaking illegal immigrants. Labor costs in places like Southern California would triple overnight. This would give American workers the kind of leverage that Reagan feared. Part of the reason behind Reagan's unprecedented Amnesty Bill was to break union control of labor. Business thrives in an environment where illegals drive wages down. Part of the reason wages were so high during WWII years was because the war drained the labor market. Business hated this. They had to accept far lower profits. Business thrives in an environment where an illegal will work for the half as much. (This is the point of capitalism which seeks a higher return on investment through - among other things - reduced labor costs, reduced raw material costs, reduced costs period! Capitalism doesn't want closed borders you fucking morons. Please turn off talk radio)

Has anybody witnessed the development of Global Capitalism since Reagan? Do you know why Reagan put military bases all over the 3rd world? [Please turn off talk radio] Reagan built military bases partly to expand and stabilize vital resource markets. Where do to think your clothing, energy, and 80% of the products you buy/need comes from? This stuff comes from the developing world, which supplies American capital with ultra-cheap labor and raw material. Do you what would happen to the American and global economy if someone shut down the supply route from freedom-hating countries like China to the USA? Capitalism is utterly dependent on freedom-hating sweat-shops form the 3rd world. Do you know what would happen if Iran blocked the Strait of Hormuz? One of the major objectives (and successes) of the Reagan Revolution was to break down borders and merge all governments under the rule of American investment capital - and to militarize regions where capital's access to vital resources like oil were threatened. Don't you get it? Capital will open borders by force to ensure its access to raw material and cheap labor.

Point us: If an illegal immigrant can increase profits by doing a job for pennies (and sleeping in a rat infested slum), than the private sector wants access to that labor. Study Milton Friedman. "Borders, Language, Culture" is an externality. Capitalism doesn't want borders. It does whatever is necessary to give investors a higher return. It has no use for a diversity of nation states with a dizzying variety of efficiency sapping regulations. Capital wants a predictable, unified, one-world solution where every part of the globe is 100% open to its investment. It doesn't want cultural autonomy or tradition because these things limit capital. Again: capital requires unlimited access to all the world's labor and raw material - and it doesn't want to be stopped at every border by different laws, languages, and cultures. (You fucking morons). Capital's ability to break-down borders is why capitalism is the most productive machine history has ever created - because it bulldozes things like borders for a higher return on investment.

Republican voters need to turn off talk radio. Markets are not free if capital is obstructed at every border. It was capitalism that opened the Mexican border. It was trade liberalization, which was the point of the Reagan Revolution. Business has no need of the border separating Mexico from the USA if that border prevents access to higher returns (through cheaper labor and r

aw materials). You need to turn of Rush Limbaugh and study the logic of capital.

Fucking morons.

Oh god, not this again for the millionth time!

Look this isn't hard, but do try and read this time. Had there been the social media that there is today, believe me you would have heard a huge outcry from conservatives when Reagan granted amnesty. In fact it's doubtful it would have ever happened because Reagan would have been inindated with pissed off constituents.

 

[Truthmatters]

News from The Associated Press


Federal hotline set up on Arizona immigration


WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Justice Department has set up a hotline for the public to report potential civil rights concerns regarding the Arizona law that requires police to check the immigration status of those they stop for other reasons.

The hotline phone number is 1-855-353-1010. The email is: SB1070(at)usdoj.gov.

 

[hboats]

ah the "your a poopy pants" defense.

that doesnt make you lies dissapear

Are you serious? All you do is call people "fucking liar asshole partisan racists moron idiots" and yet I use the poopy pants defense. All you do is name call. You don't have the high ground to tell someone else that they use the poopy pants defense.

I'm loving your conversation with TM.

Does anyone truly have a conversation with Truthdoesn'tmatter?

No matter how many times you try to get an honest response out of her she just repeats the same damn thing over and over again and ignores any questions asked of her. She also ignores ANY post that does not fit into her biased viewpoint.

She is great at ignoring any post with substance all while demanding that people respond to her posts by repeating the same idoitic dribble over and over.

Rick

 

[RespondsWithGif]

you loving your lies too TD?

Pathetic spin. Absolutely pathetic. Do you know what that means or do I need to misspell a few words so you can understand?

 

[Truthmatters]

fucking liars

 

[Truthmatters]

Federal hotline set up on Arizona immigration


WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Justice Department has set up a hotline for the public to report potential civil rights concerns regarding the Arizona law that requires police to check the immigration status of those they stop for other reasons.

The hotline phone number is 1-855-353-1010. The email is: SB1070(at)usdoj.gov.


http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-06-25-18-30-49






stop lying

 

[Goodoledays]

you people are FUCKING ASSHOLES!!!!!!!!!!

Oh Truthy you really shouldn't say that to your leaders that way. Washington might take it seriously. We all know Ubama is an ASSHOLE and his followers are pricks but you should at least give them a chance. Since they aren't going to be there much longer you really shouldn't be acting like them.

 

[RespondsWithGif]

fucking liars

PATHETIC
Try something else.

 

[Zxereus]

This hot line is not for illegals.

all of you fucks claimed it was.

your fucking liars

illegals cannot use the hotline?

Someone might want to tell them that.

Exactly, everyone will be calling because the idea is to cause such an uproar that Arizona law enforcement will be too afraid to question anyones status. That's the whole point.

 

[RespondsWithGif]

Federal hotline set up on Arizona immigration


WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Justice Department has set up a hotline for the public to report potential civil rights concerns regarding the Arizona law that requires police to check the immigration status of those they stop for other reasons.

The hotline phone number is 1-855-353-1010. The email is: SB1070(at)usdoj.gov.


News from The Associated Press






stop lying

So does this mean that illegals won't be able to use the phone number? Is it because you think illegals are too stupid to use phones?

 

[Goodoledays]

There she is! Back with same insults and and same rhetoric as she has every damn day. Lying fucking partisan hack that she is.

Well when youve been brainwashed what can you really expect.

 

[Rat in the Hat]

Federal hotline set up on Arizona immigration


WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Justice Department has set up a hotline for the public to report potential civil rights concerns regarding the Arizona law that requires police to check the immigration status of those they stop for other reasons.

The hotline phone number is 1-855-353-1010. The email is: SB1070(at)usdoj.gov.


News from The Associated Press






stop lying

Show us where that says illegals can't call in.

 

[Zxereus]

fucking lairs

Lol, there she goes again!

 

[RespondsWithGif]

The fact that she can't spell liars is nothing short of astounding.

 

[The T]

The fact that she can't spell liars is nothing short of astounding.

And frankly getting boring.

 

[Goodoledays]

this thread is not about me its about the lie the OP told and the lying assholes who are backing a lie, your one of them

That is all you ever have to offer. It has grown stale to me in the short time I have been here. I don't know how anyone else that has been here longer puts up with your outrageous non sense.

Thats why they invented 'IGNORE'. I bet shes on so many that even she couldn't count that high.