Obama has been quite successful in making positive change in US oil consumption

[thereisnospoon]

Your pdf link didn't work.

I read on your other link:

Consumers will pay more for cars upfront but may save money in the long term under new rules finalized Thursday by the Obama administration that will increase fuel efficiency and for the first time set greenhouse gas emissions standards for cars and light trucks.

I don't like being told I'm gonna have to shell out more a new car for a promise from a dishonest government that I MAY SAVE later on.

Sounds like a scam to me.

Obama is making life in America more expensive at a time when we need someone to make it less expensive.

Can you wrap your mind around that concept at all????

Think about this. Yes, the price of cars will go up, but ultimately, people will save money. That is the point. If you can't afford a new car, then obviously you should buy a used one wouldn't you say?

No we will NOT..
Already states are looking forward to higher mileage vehicles and crunching the numbers for fuel tax revenues. Some states have already floated the idea of "mileage" or "movement" taxes...The federal government has gotten into the game as well. There have been proposals to mandate that all automobiles be equipped with GPS tracking devices.
These devices will allow government bureaucrats to detect mileage traveled by each vehicle. The owner of the vehicle will be taxed on this number. Will the states give up their fuel taxes? Hell no. And neither will the federal government. These movement taxes will be in addition to current taxes.
The frightening part of this is the federal government will have the ability to track our movements...Without a warrant and in direct violation of the 4th , 10th and 14th Amendments...
BTW these Obama mileage standards ( over 50 mpg fleetwide) do not address business vehicles. Such as light trucks, SUV's, utility vehicles and the like.
This is another unfunded government mandate.
The bottom line is vehicle ownership, travel and commuting will become MUCH more costly. From the beginning of his administration Obama has wanted to ram conservation down out throats by making the freedom to travel more expensive.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Contrary to what Republicans say, Obama has not only increased domestic oil production, but he has improved fuel efficiency standards in the automotive industry.


In January 2009, the US was producing 6.9 million barrels per day. As of Nov 2010, the US is producing 8.1 million barrels per day.

In addition, under Obama, US dependence on foreign oil has declined considerably. U.S. dependence on foreign oil has declined under Obama as well, going from 58.9 percent of oil consumption in January 2009 to 44 percent in November 2011.

FactCheck.org : Promises, Promises

Because of improvements made in fuel efficiency standards, vehicles made between 2012 and 2016 will save 1.8 billion barrels of oil.

Emissions limits, greater fuel efficiency for cars, light trucks made official

Wow.

Obama must be god, he is responsible for trends that have been going on for decades, some of which started before he was born. Tell me something, does that mean I can blame him for the fact that I used to own a car that got 40 mpg in the 70s, but that I cannot buy a car that does the same thing today?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Your pdf link didn't work.

I read on your other link:

Consumers will pay more for cars upfront but may save money in the long term under new rules finalized Thursday by the Obama administration that will increase fuel efficiency and for the first time set greenhouse gas emissions standards for cars and light trucks.

I don't like being told I'm gonna have to shell out more a new car for a promise from a dishonest government that I MAY SAVE later on.

Sounds like a scam to me.

Obama is making life in America more expensive at a time when we need someone to make it less expensive.

Can you wrap your mind around that concept at all????

Think about this. Yes, the price of cars will go up, but ultimately, people will save money. That is the point. If you can't afford a new car, then obviously you should buy a used one wouldn't you say?

That is not what your link said. What it said is that people might possibly, if everything goes exactly as predicted, save money.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Increased fuel and safety standards drive real automotive innovation in this country, there would be little headway in these areas were they not mandated.

That is really strange. I remember when bumpers used to be safer before the government decided we did not need the extra protection. I also remember all those safety innovations being available long before they were mandated, but maybe we live in different worlds. Maybe you live in one were fantasy is reality, and fairies work for the government to help people.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Increased fuel and safety standards drive real automotive innovation in this country, there would be little headway in these areas were they not mandated.

In order to increase fleetwide MPG to over 50 mpg, safety standards of vehicles will have to be LOWERED.
It is impossible with current technology to make a vehicle with an internal combustion engine average over 50 mpg. Not without the car being a tin box.
Safety standards that add ANY weight to a vehicle will have to be thrown out or reworked which will cost consumers even MORE money.
Once again the federal government in an effort to save us from ourselves, ignores the law of unintended consequences.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Let's be clear: the price of these new cars would only go up $985. Anyone who can afford to buy a new car, can afford just that little extra.

Anyone? Even the guy that can barely scrape together enough to buy a car at $16,000 can afford an extra grand in initial cost, plus the extra finance charges and higher insurance premiums?

To some of us an extra grand is a lot of money, even if it isn't to you.

 

[Oldstyle]

Your pdf link didn't work.

I read on your other link:

Consumers will pay more for cars upfront but may save money in the long term under new rules finalized Thursday by the Obama administration that will increase fuel efficiency and for the first time set greenhouse gas emissions standards for cars and light trucks.

I don't like being told I'm gonna have to shell out more a new car for a promise from a dishonest government that I MAY SAVE later on.

Sounds like a scam to me.

Obama is making life in America more expensive at a time when we need someone to make it less expensive.

Can you wrap your mind around that concept at all????

Think about this. Yes, the price of cars will go up, but ultimately, people will save money. That is the point. If you can't afford a new car, then obviously you should buy a used one wouldn't you say?

Good luck on that, Billy...cash for clunkers got rid of a huge percentage of used cars and drove up the price of what was left. If you can't afford a new car then you're going to be shocked at what a used one is going to run you. Government intervention at it's best...

 

[mudwhistle]

8.1 million? More like 5.7.

Import are still nearly 11 million barrel a day.

Crude Oil Production

U.S. Total Crude Oil and Products Imports

But the premise is correct. Production is up, imports are down.

More people are spending less time driving around cause fewer have the money.

Great idea.

Actually a bigger factor is the unemployement numbers. Nobody driving to work and back

You would think the price would go down as consumption goes down, but the excess is being sold overseas to China, and other nations that are gobbling up fossil fuels.

 

[mudwhistle]

Increased fuel and safety standards drive real automotive innovation in this country, there would be little headway in these areas were they not mandated.

In order to increase fleetwide MPG to over 50 mpg, safety standards of vehicles will have to be LOWERED.
It is impossible with current technology to make a vehicle with an internal combustion engine average over 50 mpg. Not without the car being a tin box.
Safety standards that add ANY weight to a vehicle will have to be thrown out or reworked which will cost consumers even MORE money.
Once again the federal government in an effort to save us from ourselves, ignores the law of unintended consequences.

3 things you can do to increase gas miliage is remove the polution controls, the muffler and cataletic-converter, and get rid of Ethanol. It robs the car of power espectially in colder climates.

 

[Dr.Drock]

Let's be clear: the price of these new cars would only go up $985. Anyone who can afford to buy a new car, can afford just that little extra.

Anyone? Even the guy that can barely scrape together enough to buy a car at $16,000 can afford an extra grand in initial cost, plus the extra finance charges and higher insurance premiums?

To some of us an extra grand is a lot of money, even if it isn't to you.

The other poster, that's what every person does to rationalize a tax or fee increase rather than stop supporting their partisan hero of choice.

"Well it's only (blank) more dollars."

 

[thereisnospoon]

Contrary to what Republicans say, Obama has not only increased domestic oil production, but he has improved fuel efficiency standards in the automotive industry.


In January 2009, the US was producing 6.9 million barrels per day. As of Nov 2010, the US is producing 8.1 million barrels per day.

In addition, under Obama, US dependence on foreign oil has declined considerably. U.S. dependence on foreign oil has declined under Obama as well, going from 58.9 percent of oil consumption in January 2009 to 44 percent in November 2011.

FactCheck.org : Promises, Promises

Because of improvements made in fuel efficiency standards, vehicles made between 2012 and 2016 will save 1.8 billion barrels of oil.

Emissions limits, greater fuel efficiency for cars, light trucks made official

"Republicans say"????...Ok where?
BTW, MOST of our domestic oil production is EXPORTED....
BTW, here are charts from the US Energy Information Administration..
» Clearing-up Today’s Obama Energy Lies - Big Government
Clearly, the numbers you posted are inaccurate. The US EIA chart indicates LESS then 6 million bpd of production
Crude Oil Production
US is also a net exporter of oil and gasoline..
What Energy Problem? U.S. Oil Exports Are on the Rise | Fin - Daily Ticker - US - Yahoo! Finance.

The reason exports are increasing is because Crude Oil and gasoline will fetch a higher price on the world market. Also, in direct sales to other countries or companies, the price can be negotiated and set.
There is no law preventing that from happening. And there should not be.
The prices we pay will always be subject to market forces.
However, this report tells the story but in a skewed manner..
Note how the US EIA spins the numbers. The EIA report states that because of oil exports, that oil is not counted as imported. That's ridiculous. We still consume the IMPORTED OIL...
SO the 49% figure is inaccurate. The US consumes 19 BLN BPD..The US Imports over 11 BLN BPD.....or about SIXTY percent.
The EIA then tries to make things look better by stating that some of the imported oil comes from the Western Hemisphere. Really?
32% comes from OPEC.....And to show how irrelevant that is, each time OPEC raises or lowers their output quota, market prices which affect the world oil and gasoline prices, rise and fall.
The EIA attempts to minimize the effect of OPEC and tries to hide the fact that the US is depending on non-friendly nations for crude oil....
Quite frankly this is a whole lot of "who shot John".
We're getting screwed by the same government that liberals swear on the lives of their family members is supposed to "take care of us"...
So please..Don't come here trying to make Obama look like the happy energy guy.....He isn't.

 

[mudwhistle]

It's clear that government is good at making everything more expensive.

Everything I mentioned that robs gas miliage is governmentally mandated.

They keep asking auto engineers to do the impossible. Make them out of plastic to decrease weight, so now they're death-traps.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Think about this. Yes, the price of cars will go up, but ultimately, people will save money. That is the point. If you can't afford a new car, then obviously you should buy a used one wouldn't you say?

The price of new cars is already going up. We don't need a President that has programs that will admittedly make the price go up even faster.

The promise of savings down the road won't materialize because this President will make sure the price of gas goes up. They assume that we will be using less fuel and that is where the savings they talk about comes from. The savings will be paying for less fuel but actually forking out more cash for it ultimately. So it becomes a net loss.

You are reaching and you know it.

Why do so many of you TRY to hate Obama?

Irrational response.
You and others who are on the Obama or bust train MUST be made to realize....THIS IS NOT PERSONAL...Get it, genius?!!!!!

 

[thereisnospoon]

Come on Billy, did you really think these ODS sufferers were going to give President Obama credit for anything? If the man cured cancer they'd ask why he hates the drug companies.

In response to your link about LIBERAL talk....
Two words......AIR AMERICA...
Oh, so why is liberal talk relegated to a few obscure channels on satellite radio?

Answer: Because if it were on terrestrial radio, the Arbitrons would be so low, they would not be listed!

 

[Billy000]

Your pdf link didn't work.

I read on your other link:



I don't like being told I'm gonna have to shell out more a new car for a promise from a dishonest government that I MAY SAVE later on.

Sounds like a scam to me.

Obama is making life in America more expensive at a time when we need someone to make it less expensive.

Can you wrap your mind around that concept at all????

Think about this. Yes, the price of cars will go up, but ultimately, people will save money. That is the point. If you can't afford a new car, then obviously you should buy a used one wouldn't you say?

No we will NOT..
Already states are looking forward to higher mileage vehicles and crunching the numbers for fuel tax revenues. Some states have already floated the idea of "mileage" or "movement" taxes...The federal government has gotten into the game as well. There have been proposals to mandate that all automobiles be equipped with GPS tracking devices.
These devices will allow government bureaucrats to detect mileage traveled by each vehicle. The owner of the vehicle will be taxed on this number. Will the states give up their fuel taxes? Hell no. And neither will the federal government. These movement taxes will be in addition to current taxes.
The frightening part of this is the federal government will have the ability to track our movements...Without a warrant and in direct violation of the 4th , 10th and 14th Amendments...
BTW these Obama mileage standards ( over 50 mpg fleetwide) do not address business vehicles. Such as light trucks, SUV's, utility vehicles and the like.
This is another unfunded government mandate.
The bottom line is vehicle ownership, travel and commuting will become MUCH more costly. From the beginning of his administration Obama has wanted to ram conservation down out throats by making the freedom to travel more expensive.

You will pay 985 more for a new car. That is it.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Are you kidding me?

I made it clear that the new model of cars would save oil.

Why are you so fixated on the title anyway? Does it really matter?

'will' save... future tense... assuming the regs are put into practice.

Future tense... comprende?

thread title is disingenuous. No change in consumption has occurred, as I pointed out using YOUR source.

So because it is projected to occur, it doesn't matter at all? That's ridiculous.

Correct..It's called style over substance.
Look, don't tell me what you're going to do....SHOW ME RESULTS...Until those results come to fruition, keep your yapper SHUT.

 

[Billy000]

Let's be clear: the price of these new cars would only go up $985. Anyone who can afford to buy a new car, can afford just that little extra.

Anyone? Even the guy that can barely scrape together enough to buy a car at $16,000 can afford an extra grand in initial cost, plus the extra finance charges and higher insurance premiums?

To some of us an extra grand is a lot of money, even if it isn't to you.

You are a dumbass. Any person that strapped for cash would either by cheaper new car or a used car.

 

[Billy000]

Again, it's clear you all TRY to hate Obama.

It's pathetic.

 

[Billy000]

'will' save... future tense... assuming the regs are put into practice.

Future tense... comprende?

thread title is disingenuous. No change in consumption has occurred, as I pointed out using YOUR source.

So because it is projected to occur, it doesn't matter at all? That's ridiculous.

Correct..It's called style over substance.
Look, don't tell me what you're going to do....SHOW ME RESULTS...Until those results come to fruition, keep your yapper SHUT.

It WILL occurr, because the standards have already been finalized you jackass.

 

[rdean]

The number one American export is gasoline.