NY City Blackout -- A Political Science lesson for American Socialists.

[Frankeneinstein]

Fox News is on , MSLSD is on so

fox is/was running off generators

 

[flacaltenn]

Are you not following along here?. I'm NOT talking about the CAUSE of the black-out.. Those things happen.. I'm talking about caring enough to HARDEN the infrastructure to keep the public SAFE during a black-out...

THAT should be as high a priority as spending any money you don't have on "platform issues" and grandstanding.. Answer my previous question to you... Why is it all the news bureaus in the black--out zone are on the air and broadcasting and able to field helicopters and live shots? But the traffic lights can't continue to operate. And people are getting groped on subway trains stuck between stations??

Wait wait ---- how do you KNOW people are getting groped on subways? Where ARE you right now??

It's after midnight.. The groping escalates after the sun goes down.. I've ridden many subway systems...

See your doctor.

Do you tell them "the groping will continue until morale improves"?

Grope this.. I repeat.. Subway trains don't HAVE to get stranded between stations. You can get the trains BACK to nearest station, save the rescue crews and pandemonium and -- foil the gropers and pickpockets and acid tripping freakshows...

Toronto nailed it.. It's NOT difficult...

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So what happens when the power goes out? What does the TTC do to ensure safety and minimize the impact on all of these riders?

It’s important to realize that the subway cars are powered by an electrified rail. These rails all have their own substations, so in a power outage such as last night’s, the subways can continue to operate. The same is true of streetcars and their overhead wires. In the subway, if even this power is interrupted, there is limited backup power to allow for a safe shutdown of the system, with the trains returning to their rail yards.

What can’t continue to operate, however, are the stations. They have some emergency backup power for things like lights and ventilation systems, but it’s limited, and lasts only a while. The subway is gradually and systematically closed down because the stations can’t be operated safely.

Our leadership sucks. And I don't want more of it that's for sure. We're losing the American mojo and some wannabee leaders are trying to kill it permanently.

SINGAPORE has a subway immune to black-outs..

GOOD GODS DOOD IT's a JOKE. Erleichda already. Fuxsake you're getting as bad as Skye.

I'm not "detaining" you here. You're free to leave and go back across the border.. LOL... I'm researching this for a potential article and thinking out loud.. I was working here....

Wait up !!! You made a joke and I missed it??? Damn....

 

[flacaltenn]

You think NYC is going to have a city full of generators?

For the traffic lights and subway --- Absolutely they should... It's a tangible public risk that they are taking..


Maybe I'm not talking to people who love to know how things work, but that's my burden and profession.. And when things are MAINTAINED and UPDATED properly and initially designed properly, it's a safer, actually cheaper world...

For example, the SAME NYCity Subway system runs all it's "emergency operations" thru an antiquating wireless that needed updating.. Literally was being eaten by rats... So -- how did they get a BETTER SYSTEM that INCLUDED wireless services for all their YouTube hungry passengers?? They turned to CAPITALISM and the free market expertise and FUNDING to make it happen.. Did not cost the taxpayers a cent...

Engineering against all odds, or how NYC’s subway will get wireless in the tunnels – TechCrunch

This past week, I explored the challenges of what appears at first glance to be a relatively simple problem: how do you get wireless service in New York City subway tunnels? Cellular technology is hardly novel, and transit systems throughout the world have been able to modernize in some cases more than a decade ago.

While riders may desperately want their YouTube videos underground, the real value of such a system is for the business operations of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority (the MTA, which operates the NYC subway among other commuter rail and bus systems). Ticketing systems, arrival time indicators, emergency services, and other critical services are all run through this wireless system.

There is in fact a startup working on the problem, Transit Wireless. The company was formed in 2005 to respond to a request for proposals from the MTA and filled with veteran telecom executives. The authority rewarded the contract to Transit Wireless, which now holds a 27-year license to operate cellular service in the subway system.

William Bayne, the CEO of the company, explained that an important component of the contract was that the company couldn’t rely on taxpayer funding. “Our license requires us to design, build, own, operate, and finance the network,” he said. Transit Wireless raised its own equity capital to cover the costs of deploying the system, and generates revenues as the service provider over the life of the license. In fact, MTA receives a stream of revenue from Transit Wireless as well.

When you fiends flirting with centralized mgt and control of huge multiple sector of this economy like health care, energy, banking you KILL the vitality of innovation and risk-taking that protects the taxpayers. Companies like Transit Wireless would cease to exist if the municipalities are AFRAID of free markets and that evil word "privatization"....

We keep repeating "you'll kill innovation and private investment" but most of you don't know what that is apparently...

For the general public When i was leaving they were just starting to get underground wireless and Internet up and running
14th st was one of the first to get it I think

They can barely keep the subways running Now which these days horrifically overcrowded .
How to power such a massive system during a power outage ? its not like a back up generator for a building

Tricky tricky tricky indeed

See my post about the toronto system... Not THAT tricky because a relatively small nat gas plant that can fired up in 10 minutes would power the rails.. You could put it on a barge in the Hudson for crying out loud.. Just need to run new feeds to the power stations in the subways...

Yeah but this is New York!!! The place where it takes years to get permission do do anything.

And having a fossil fuel backup generator for critical public safety is gonna kill the planet in LESS than 12 years... I can see AOC leading the protests...

When companies come in and OFFER to fund and do the work -- these same lefties scream about profit and privatization.. But a LOT of this stuff could get done faster and with LITTLE cost to the taxpayers..

When govt gets slow and inept and bulky and wonky, just go around them... While we can....

 

[Lewdog]

You think NYC is going to have a city full of generators?

For the traffic lights and subway --- Absolutely they should... It's a tangible public risk that they are taking..


Maybe I'm not talking to people who love to know how things work, but that's my burden and profession.. And when things are MAINTAINED and UPDATED properly and initially designed properly, it's a safer, actually cheaper world...

For example, the SAME NYCity Subway system runs all it's "emergency operations" thru an antiquating wireless that needed updating.. Literally was being eaten by rats... So -- how did they get a BETTER SYSTEM that INCLUDED wireless services for all their YouTube hungry passengers?? They turned to CAPITALISM and the free market expertise and FUNDING to make it happen.. Did not cost the taxpayers a cent...

Engineering against all odds, or how NYC’s subway will get wireless in the tunnels – TechCrunch

This past week, I explored the challenges of what appears at first glance to be a relatively simple problem: how do you get wireless service in New York City subway tunnels? Cellular technology is hardly novel, and transit systems throughout the world have been able to modernize in some cases more than a decade ago.

While riders may desperately want their YouTube videos underground, the real value of such a system is for the business operations of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority (the MTA, which operates the NYC subway among other commuter rail and bus systems). Ticketing systems, arrival time indicators, emergency services, and other critical services are all run through this wireless system.

There is in fact a startup working on the problem, Transit Wireless. The company was formed in 2005 to respond to a request for proposals from the MTA and filled with veteran telecom executives. The authority rewarded the contract to Transit Wireless, which now holds a 27-year license to operate cellular service in the subway system.

William Bayne, the CEO of the company, explained that an important component of the contract was that the company couldn’t rely on taxpayer funding. “Our license requires us to design, build, own, operate, and finance the network,” he said. Transit Wireless raised its own equity capital to cover the costs of deploying the system, and generates revenues as the service provider over the life of the license. In fact, MTA receives a stream of revenue from Transit Wireless as well.

When you fiends flirting with centralized mgt and control of huge multiple sector of this economy like health care, energy, banking you KILL the vitality of innovation and risk-taking that protects the taxpayers. Companies like Transit Wireless would cease to exist if the municipalities are AFRAID of free markets and that evil word "privatization"....

We keep repeating "you'll kill innovation and private investment" but most of you don't know what that is apparently...

For the general public When i was leaving they were just starting to get underground wireless and Internet up and running
14th st was one of the first to get it I think

They can barely keep the subways running Now which these days horrifically overcrowded .
How to power such a massive system during a power outage ? its not like a back up generator for a building

Tricky tricky tricky indeed

See my post about the toronto system... Not THAT tricky because a relatively small nat gas plant that can fired up in 10 minutes would power the rails.. You could put it on a barge in the Hudson for crying out loud.. Just need to run new feeds to the power stations in the subways...

Yeah but this is New York!!! The place where it takes years to get permission do do anything.

And having a fossil fuel backup generator for critical public safety is gonna kill the planet in LESS than 12 years... I can see AOC leading the protests...

When companies come in and OFFER to fund and do the work -- these same lefties scream about profit and privatization.. But a LOT of this stuff could get done faster and with LITTLE cost to the taxpayers..

When govt gets slow and inept and bulky and wonky, just go around them... While we can....

The problem is, when each party gets into office they go through and tear down what the previous party did and over compensate.

For God's sake Trump appointed a fossil fuel lobbyist as the head of the EPA.

 

[flacaltenn]

For the traffic lights and subway --- Absolutely they should... It's a tangible public risk that they are taking..


Maybe I'm not talking to people who love to know how things work, but that's my burden and profession.. And when things are MAINTAINED and UPDATED properly and initially designed properly, it's a safer, actually cheaper world...

For example, the SAME NYCity Subway system runs all it's "emergency operations" thru an antiquating wireless that needed updating.. Literally was being eaten by rats... So -- how did they get a BETTER SYSTEM that INCLUDED wireless services for all their YouTube hungry passengers?? They turned to CAPITALISM and the free market expertise and FUNDING to make it happen.. Did not cost the taxpayers a cent...

Engineering against all odds, or how NYC’s subway will get wireless in the tunnels – TechCrunch

This past week, I explored the challenges of what appears at first glance to be a relatively simple problem: how do you get wireless service in New York City subway tunnels? Cellular technology is hardly novel, and transit systems throughout the world have been able to modernize in some cases more than a decade ago.

While riders may desperately want their YouTube videos underground, the real value of such a system is for the business operations of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority (the MTA, which operates the NYC subway among other commuter rail and bus systems). Ticketing systems, arrival time indicators, emergency services, and other critical services are all run through this wireless system.

There is in fact a startup working on the problem, Transit Wireless. The company was formed in 2005 to respond to a request for proposals from the MTA and filled with veteran telecom executives. The authority rewarded the contract to Transit Wireless, which now holds a 27-year license to operate cellular service in the subway system.

William Bayne, the CEO of the company, explained that an important component of the contract was that the company couldn’t rely on taxpayer funding. “Our license requires us to design, build, own, operate, and finance the network,” he said. Transit Wireless raised its own equity capital to cover the costs of deploying the system, and generates revenues as the service provider over the life of the license. In fact, MTA receives a stream of revenue from Transit Wireless as well.

When you fiends flirting with centralized mgt and control of huge multiple sector of this economy like health care, energy, banking you KILL the vitality of innovation and risk-taking that protects the taxpayers. Companies like Transit Wireless would cease to exist if the municipalities are AFRAID of free markets and that evil word "privatization"....

We keep repeating "you'll kill innovation and private investment" but most of you don't know what that is apparently...

For the general public When i was leaving they were just starting to get underground wireless and Internet up and running
14th st was one of the first to get it I think

They can barely keep the subways running Now which these days horrifically overcrowded .
How to power such a massive system during a power outage ? its not like a back up generator for a building

Tricky tricky tricky indeed

See my post about the toronto system... Not THAT tricky because a relatively small nat gas plant that can fired up in 10 minutes would power the rails.. You could put it on a barge in the Hudson for crying out loud.. Just need to run new feeds to the power stations in the subways...

Yeah but this is New York!!! The place where it takes years to get permission do do anything.

And having a fossil fuel backup generator for critical public safety is gonna kill the planet in LESS than 12 years... I can see AOC leading the protests...

When companies come in and OFFER to fund and do the work -- these same lefties scream about profit and privatization.. But a LOT of this stuff could get done faster and with LITTLE cost to the taxpayers..

When govt gets slow and inept and bulky and wonky, just go around them... While we can....

The problem is, when each party gets into office they go through and tear down what the previous party did and over compensate.

For God's sake Trump appointed a fossil fuel lobbyist as the head of the EPA.

Probably because sane people realize there's no REAL "Miracle Energy" card like you just posted. And what's CALLED alternatives are really just "supplements"... So -- I really DO NOT want a national energy policy written by ANY SUBSET of Congressional brain-damaged power whores...

Do YOU???

It's actually necessary to INVOLVE the folks who KNOW that field and market.. That's part of the problem with govt taking over sectors of the economy one by one... They THINK they know the science, technology and economics -- but they are deluded "drain bramaged" actors....

 

[Ridgerunner]

And you’re the one propagating an equally ridiculous lie – the Democratic candidates for president are not ‘socialists.’

Straight from the horses mouth C_Clayton_Jones … go to a minute twenty on the video and start again...

 

[Pogo]

Fox News is on , MSLSD is on so

fox is/was running off generators

Fox isn't "running off generators", that's absurd. Good GODS do none of you people have any idea how this works? You think entire networks come entirely out of Manhattan?

 

[Pogo]

Wait wait ---- how do you KNOW people are getting groped on subways? Where ARE you right now??

It's after midnight.. The groping escalates after the sun goes down.. I've ridden many subway systems...

See your doctor.

Do you tell them "the groping will continue until morale improves"?

Grope this.. I repeat.. Subway trains don't HAVE to get stranded between stations. You can get the trains BACK to nearest station, save the rescue crews and pandemonium and -- foil the gropers and pickpockets and acid tripping freakshows...

Toronto nailed it.. It's NOT difficult...

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So what happens when the power goes out? What does the TTC do to ensure safety and minimize the impact on all of these riders?

It’s important to realize that the subway cars are powered by an electrified rail. These rails all have their own substations, so in a power outage such as last night’s, the subways can continue to operate. The same is true of streetcars and their overhead wires. In the subway, if even this power is interrupted, there is limited backup power to allow for a safe shutdown of the system, with the trains returning to their rail yards.

What can’t continue to operate, however, are the stations. They have some emergency backup power for things like lights and ventilation systems, but it’s limited, and lasts only a while. The subway is gradually and systematically closed down because the stations can’t be operated safely.

Our leadership sucks. And I don't want more of it that's for sure. We're losing the American mojo and some wannabee leaders are trying to kill it permanently.

SINGAPORE has a subway immune to black-outs..

GOOD GODS DOOD IT's a JOKE. Erleichda already. Fuxsake you're getting as bad as Skye.

I'm not "detaining" you here. You're free to leave and go back across the border.. LOL... I'm researching this for a potential article and thinking out loud.. I was working here....

Wait up !!! You made a joke and I missed it??? Damn....

You did, because you were too busy frothing at the mouth.

Gotta watch that, or you'll earn that line applied to Ann Coulter --- "the mouth so busy frothing it has no time to eat".

 

[flacaltenn]

Not for a report from New York they don't. For a reporter live on the scene, you just uplink it to the Bird.

Hey man.. Broadcast equipment and special effects is in my wheelhouse... I've been to too many NABs to let that pass.

NOTHING from "the bird" goes out on the network without being sent to the studio first....

 

[flacaltenn]

No, you’re the one pushing a ridiculous conspiracy theory.

And you’re the one propagating an equally ridiculous lie – the Democratic candidates for president are not ‘socialists.’

Like most on the right you’re a dishonest demagogue.

Hey counselor -- why you think all the TV news bureaus on Ave of the Americas are BROADCASTING tonight and able to function in a black-out... What's the diff in motivation and incentive????

It's capitalism vs socialism.. Plain ass simple.. NOT any kind of "conspiracy".....

Probably because those networks have generators so they CAN stay on the air in an event like this to help broadcast the news to the people.

You think NYC is going to have a city full of generators?

All a network would need to stay on the air is a satellite truck. That beams up to a satellite, gets relayed to another point and into the network. All of those systems would have redundancies.

Bullshit.. The network TV stations needs Studios, lighting, editing, character generators and huge computing power... The "network" is down if the STUDIOS and support services go down...

Not for a report from New York they don't. For a reporter live on the scene, you just uplink it to the Bird.

Besides, they've got studios in myriad places they can anchor from easily, including DC, including across the river in New Jersey. That's all they need.

But they don't NEED to.. Not tonight.. It's all going thru their studios with their anchors and editors...

 

[flacaltenn]

It's after midnight.. The groping escalates after the sun goes down.. I've ridden many subway systems...

See your doctor.

Do you tell them "the groping will continue until morale improves"?

Grope this.. I repeat.. Subway trains don't HAVE to get stranded between stations. You can get the trains BACK to nearest station, save the rescue crews and pandemonium and -- foil the gropers and pickpockets and acid tripping freakshows...

Toronto nailed it.. It's NOT difficult...

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So what happens when the power goes out? What does the TTC do to ensure safety and minimize the impact on all of these riders?

It’s important to realize that the subway cars are powered by an electrified rail. These rails all have their own substations, so in a power outage such as last night’s, the subways can continue to operate. The same is true of streetcars and their overhead wires. In the subway, if even this power is interrupted, there is limited backup power to allow for a safe shutdown of the system, with the trains returning to their rail yards.

What can’t continue to operate, however, are the stations. They have some emergency backup power for things like lights and ventilation systems, but it’s limited, and lasts only a while. The subway is gradually and systematically closed down because the stations can’t be operated safely.

Our leadership sucks. And I don't want more of it that's for sure. We're losing the American mojo and some wannabee leaders are trying to kill it permanently.

SINGAPORE has a subway immune to black-outs..

GOOD GODS DOOD IT's a JOKE. Erleichda already. Fuxsake you're getting as bad as Skye.

I'm not "detaining" you here. You're free to leave and go back across the border.. LOL... I'm researching this for a potential article and thinking out loud.. I was working here....

Wait up !!! You made a joke and I missed it??? Damn....

You did, because you were too busy frothing at the mouth.

Gotta watch that, or you'll earn that line applied to Ann Coulter --- "the mouth so busy frothing it has no time to eat".

I don't just froth. I'm more like the whole expresso machine.. Besides, everyone else at USMB froths. Why don't I get a turn???

 

[flacaltenn]

And you’re the one propagating an equally ridiculous lie – the Democratic candidates for president are not ‘socialists.’

Straight from the horses mouth C_Clayton_Jones … go to a minute twenty on the video and start again...

It's simple.. Socialist or Dem socialist.. It's humongously BIGGER, slower, less competent and prone to petty politics... And we DO NOT need more of that...

It's silly to argue differently.. You will kill off the expertise that keeps people alive and the lights on....

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Fox isn't "running off generators", that's absurd. Good GODS do none of you people have any idea how this works? You think entire networks come entirely out of Manhattan?

I can't imagine why you would say that but fox said they were running off generators, [radio city across the street was completely blacked out, 6th ave all the way north to the park was blacked out] and fox news here where I am/live is broadcast "entirely out of Manhattan" and they were broadcasting the blackout live from Rockefeller Center.

 

[Pogo]

Not for a report from New York they don't. For a reporter live on the scene, you just uplink it to the Bird.

Hey man.. Broadcast equipment and special effects is in my wheelhouse... I've been to too many NABs to let that pass.

NOTHING from "the bird" goes out on the network without being sent to the studio first....

Whelp, it IS my wheelhouse and I'm here to tell you, you uplink from a truck and you're on the air, or at least you're feeding whoever controls what's on the air. And that control could be in lots of different places. Doesn't have to come from New York. That would never work.

 

[Pogo]

See your doctor.

Do you tell them "the groping will continue until morale improves"?

Grope this.. I repeat.. Subway trains don't HAVE to get stranded between stations. You can get the trains BACK to nearest station, save the rescue crews and pandemonium and -- foil the gropers and pickpockets and acid tripping freakshows...

Toronto nailed it.. It's NOT difficult...

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So what happens when the power goes out? What does the TTC do to ensure safety and minimize the impact on all of these riders?

It’s important to realize that the subway cars are powered by an electrified rail. These rails all have their own substations, so in a power outage such as last night’s, the subways can continue to operate. The same is true of streetcars and their overhead wires. In the subway, if even this power is interrupted, there is limited backup power to allow for a safe shutdown of the system, with the trains returning to their rail yards.

What can’t continue to operate, however, are the stations. They have some emergency backup power for things like lights and ventilation systems, but it’s limited, and lasts only a while. The subway is gradually and systematically closed down because the stations can’t be operated safely.

Our leadership sucks. And I don't want more of it that's for sure. We're losing the American mojo and some wannabee leaders are trying to kill it permanently.

SINGAPORE has a subway immune to black-outs..

GOOD GODS DOOD IT's a JOKE. Erleichda already. Fuxsake you're getting as bad as Skye.

I'm not "detaining" you here. You're free to leave and go back across the border.. LOL... I'm researching this for a potential article and thinking out loud.. I was working here....

Wait up !!! You made a joke and I missed it??? Damn....

You did, because you were too busy frothing at the mouth.

Gotta watch that, or you'll earn that line applied to Ann Coulter --- "the mouth so busy frothing it has no time to eat".

I don't just froth. I'm more like the whole expresso machine.. Besides, everyone else at USMB froths. Why don't I get a turn???

Okay, touché.

 

[irosie91]

I just turned on my T.V. it's bad

are any of the hospitals in trouble?

 

[flacaltenn]

Not for a report from New York they don't. For a reporter live on the scene, you just uplink it to the Bird.

Hey man.. Broadcast equipment and special effects is in my wheelhouse... I've been to too many NABs to let that pass.

NOTHING from "the bird" goes out on the network without being sent to the studio first....

Whelp, it IS my wheelhouse and I'm here to tell you, you uplink from a truck and you're on the air, or at least you're feeding whoever controls what's on the air. And that control could be in lots of different places. Doesn't have to come from New York. That would never work.

How does an NBC station in New Jersey just DECIDE to get on the MAIN SAT FEED to "the bird" and TAKE OVER the MSNBC network?? You're confusing different sat links..

The cable providers and streaming services are TUNED to the main network feed... It would go NOWHERE without jumping the main network connection to the America's TVs..

Could be done in a REAL heavy duty catastrophe, IF the local station can arrange the slot time and pay for it. But those main network studios ARE on back-up power and running tonight...

 

[Dragonlady]

Was watching a bit of the coverage of the black-out tonight, and I noticed on completely dark streets just north of Times Square, that most all of the power was out, but the iconic Advertising billboards? Most of them seemed to be working fine..

Blackout extends way south to MSGarden and some of the shots I could not place, but in MOST of them showing a very darkened Manhattan -- the TRAFFIC LIGHTS were OUT, but the jeans and vacation ads were still lit...

How can there be a need to call-in every cop in the boroughs to direct traffic in Manhattan, but the sales pitches go on? It's called "incentive" and "accountability"... Those billboards are only valuable, when they are working. The revenue is based on "up-time" and exposure.. So either they were designed with battery backup or generators.

If the windmills and the solar generation can be battery backed up as a NATIONAL grid design ( I actually doubt this, but for arguments' sake) why can't the Manhattan traffic lights be also?

Why is it that critical infrastructure that the city owns that provide safety and security are not designed with worst case scenarios in mind? There's no INCENTIVE or really VISIBILITY for spending money on stuff in govt that only makes you a hero "once in a long while"..


Seems to me this Socialist Fancy that's spreading obviously means "single payer" for a LARGE SECTION of the US economy.. And what's the MOTIVATION and INCENTIVE to stay ahead of the problems and produce reliable, well designed systems? Do you really want the GOVT to inspect your elevators or a private company whose existence and reputation is on the line every day?

HHHMMMM????

Yes, I want the government to do it. A private company will find things to fix that don’t need fixing just to pad the bill. Corporations are thieves. The bigger they are, the more corrupt.

Private companies exist I make a profit, first and foremost. Everything else is secondary. If corporations always gave good service and cared about their reputations, products wouldn’t constantly have to be recalled and we wouldn’t be awash in class action law suits.

 

[Ridgerunner]

"A Springfield"?

This is a Springfield M1A that can be handed to someone...

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The power is back on.

The thread premise is ridiculous idiocy.