Now That Ukrainegate Imploded, What’s Next?

[AntonToo]

Coat tails can be ignored, but not a vice president committing open blackmail.

Baloney, the Feds do it all the time with foreign aid as well as funds to the States. Politicians can't do it to enrich themselves or solicit aid in an election.

A president, Sec. of State, etc., can negotiate legal concessions from other countries, by withholding aid.
But NOT a Vice President.
He does not have that authority.
And clearly getting the Ukrainian Inspector General fired, was not for US interests, but for the interests of Burisma Holdings instead.
And that makes it illegal as well.

Sure looks like he had the authority from the President to use the US funds like that. Why can't the President delegate that authority to the VP?

Without pressure from Joe Biden, European diplomats, the International Monetary Fund and other international organizations, Shokin would not have been fired, said Daria Kaleniuk, co-founder and executive director of the Anti Corruption Action Centre in Kiev.

"Civil society organizations in Ukraine were pressing for his resignation," Kaleniuk said, "but no one would have cared if there had not been voices from outside this country calling on him to go."

Explainer: Biden, allies pushed out Ukrainian prosecutor because he didn't pursue corruption cases

That does not make sense because Viktor Shokin was not just a prosecutor, but the the Inspector General, the most trusted man in the entire country. There was no one in the Ukraine government who was more honest.

If he were corrupt as a prosecutor and did not pursue cases where he had been bribed not to, how do you explain why Biden would be afraid of him investigating Hunter Biden and Burisma Holdings? A dishonest prosecutor who fails to prosecute corruption is not a threat to honest people who have nothing to hide. The only ones who fear investigations are those who are corrupt and have something to hide.

Stop making up pure bullshit. Sholkin was corrupt according to just about anyone that dealt with Ukraine.

IMF, DoS, Ukrainian anti-corruption watch groups and HIS OWN DEPUTY quit in protest of the corrupt swamp.

That deputy was reinstated under new president(unlike Sholkin), which implicitly means current Ukrainian President also believes Sholkin deserved to be removed.

So what the fuck makes you think he WASN’T corrupt?

 

[Billy_Bob]

'prison yard'

The prison yard would be full of Democrat criminals...

 

[Rigby5]

Coat tails can be ignored, but not a vice president committing open blackmail.

Baloney, the Feds do it all the time with foreign aid as well as funds to the States. Politicians can't do it to enrich themselves or solicit aid in an election.

Sure people can do quid pro quo at the request of the president, but it is very unlikely Biden got permission to get the Ukrainian Inspector General fired in order to protect Burisma Holdings.

Nor does Trump have to have only one motive.

Can you get any more uninformed?

inspector General was corrupt and was fired by Ukrainian Congress for NOT prosecuting corruption cases against the rich, INCLUDING BURISMA.

That is ridiculously impossible, because the Inspector General was not fired until just a few hours AFTER Joe Biden called.
And Joe Biden was NOT at all trying to get Viktor Shokin to investigate his own son Hunter, was he?

In fact, after the call from Joe Biden illegally insisting Viktor Shokin be fired, the investigation of Burisma Holdings has been totally dropped.
So everything you claim makes no sense and can not possibly be true.

When a civil servant like an inspector general is corrupt, the correct and LEGAL procedure is to NOT fire them, but instead to take the evidence to a board of inquiry that can prosecute any illegal actions.
If the Inspector General were corrupt, the last thing you could do legally would be to fire them.
That is totally against all civil service principles and has only the appearances of corruption.

 

[Rigby5]

Coat tails can be ignored, but not a vice president committing open blackmail.

Baloney, the Feds do it all the time with foreign aid as well as funds to the States. Politicians can't do it to enrich themselves or solicit aid in an election.

A president, Sec. of State, etc., can negotiate legal concessions from other countries, by withholding aid.
But NOT a Vice President.
He does not have that authority.
And clearly getting the Ukrainian Inspector General fired, was not for US interests, but for the interests of Burisma Holdings instead.
And that makes it illegal as well.

Sure looks like he had the authority from the President to use the US funds like that. Why can't the President delegate that authority to the VP?

Without pressure from Joe Biden, European diplomats, the International Monetary Fund and other international organizations, Shokin would not have been fired, said Daria Kaleniuk, co-founder and executive director of the Anti Corruption Action Centre in Kiev.

"Civil society organizations in Ukraine were pressing for his resignation," Kaleniuk said, "but no one would have cared if there had not been voices from outside this country calling on him to go."

Explainer: Biden, allies pushed out Ukrainian prosecutor because he didn't pursue corruption cases

That does not make sense because Viktor Shokin was not just a prosecutor, but the the Inspector General, the most trusted man in the entire country. There was no one in the Ukraine government who was more honest.

If he were corrupt as a prosecutor and did not pursue cases where he had been bribed not to, how do you explain why Biden would be afraid of him investigating Hunter Biden and Burisma Holdings? A dishonest prosecutor who fails to prosecute corruption is not a threat to honest people who have nothing to hide. The only ones who fear investigations are those who are corrupt and have something to hide.

Mario making up pure bullshit. Sholkin was corrupt according to just about anyone that dealt with Ukraine.

IMF, DoS, Ukrainian anti-corruption watch groups and HIS OWN DEPUTY quit in protest of the corrupt swamp.

That deputy was reinstated under new president(unlike Sholkin), which implicitly means current Ukrainian President also believes Sholkin deserved to be removed.

So what the fuck makes you think he WASN’T corrupt?

Because there was no trial.
The ONLY reason to believe a person is corrupt is because a court of law has established the truth.
But clearly all the suspicion is on Burisma Holdings for paying Hunter Biden to do nothing, and because Sholkin was fired right after the call by Joe Biden, which was likely intended to PROTECT Burisma Holdings, not to increase investigation of Burisma Holdings.

 

[AntonToo]

Coat tails can be ignored, but not a vice president committing open blackmail.

Baloney, the Feds do it all the time with foreign aid as well as funds to the States. Politicians can't do it to enrich themselves or solicit aid in an election.

Sure people can do quid pro quo at the request of the president, but it is very unlikely Biden got permission to get the Ukrainian Inspector General fired in order to protect Burisma Holdings.

Nor does Trump have to have only one motive.

Can you get any more uninformed?

inspector General was corrupt and was fired by Ukrainian Congress for NOT prosecuting corruption cases against the rich, INCLUDING BURISMA.

That is ridiculously impossible, because the Inspector General was not fired until just a few hours AFTER Joe Biden called.
And Joe Biden was NOT at all trying to get Viktor Shokin to investigate his own son Hunter, was he?

In fact, after the call from Joe Biden illegally insisting Viktor Shokin be fired, the investigation of Burisma Holdings has been totally dropped.
So everything you claim makes no sense and can not possibly be true.

When a civil servant like an inspector general is corrupt, the correct and LEGAL procedure is to NOT fire them, but instead to take the evidence to a board of inquiry that can prosecute any illegal actions.
If the Inspector General were corrupt, the last thing you could do legally would be to fire them.
That is totally against all civil service principles and has only the appearances of corruption.

where the fuck do you get this nonsense from?

Nobody including Sholkin ever claimed that Hunter Biden did anything wrong or was himself under investigation.

Burisma’s case (that was dormant for two years when Sholkin was fired) had to do with matters that occurred in 2010-2012 and well before Hunter was working for the company.

 

[Crepitus]

And on what planet has "Ukrainegate" impolded? Asking for a friend.

Tell you what. I’ve been asking for weeks what’s the crime and the evidence.

You be the first to answer.

Your non answer answers your question.

Watch the news for 5 minutes. It's not our job to inform you.

Watch CNN for 5 minutes? I’ll watch 5 hours of SpingeBob and get more facts out of it.

Who said CNN? Just pull yer heard outta the RWNJ blogosphere for a few minutes and get some information instead of infotainment.

 

[AntonToo]

Baloney, the Feds do it all the time with foreign aid as well as funds to the States. Politicians can't do it to enrich themselves or solicit aid in an election.

A president, Sec. of State, etc., can negotiate legal concessions from other countries, by withholding aid.
But NOT a Vice President.
He does not have that authority.
And clearly getting the Ukrainian Inspector General fired, was not for US interests, but for the interests of Burisma Holdings instead.
And that makes it illegal as well.

Sure looks like he had the authority from the President to use the US funds like that. Why can't the President delegate that authority to the VP?

Without pressure from Joe Biden, European diplomats, the International Monetary Fund and other international organizations, Shokin would not have been fired, said Daria Kaleniuk, co-founder and executive director of the Anti Corruption Action Centre in Kiev.

"Civil society organizations in Ukraine were pressing for his resignation," Kaleniuk said, "but no one would have cared if there had not been voices from outside this country calling on him to go."

Explainer: Biden, allies pushed out Ukrainian prosecutor because he didn't pursue corruption cases

That does not make sense because Viktor Shokin was not just a prosecutor, but the the Inspector General, the most trusted man in the entire country. There was no one in the Ukraine government who was more honest.

If he were corrupt as a prosecutor and did not pursue cases where he had been bribed not to, how do you explain why Biden would be afraid of him investigating Hunter Biden and Burisma Holdings? A dishonest prosecutor who fails to prosecute corruption is not a threat to honest people who have nothing to hide. The only ones who fear investigations are those who are corrupt and have something to hide.

Mario making up pure bullshit. Sholkin was corrupt according to just about anyone that dealt with Ukraine.

IMF, DoS, Ukrainian anti-corruption watch groups and HIS OWN DEPUTY quit in protest of the corrupt swamp.

That deputy was reinstated under new president(unlike Sholkin), which implicitly means current Ukrainian President also believes Sholkin deserved to be removed.

So what the fuck makes you think he WASN’T corrupt?

Because there was no trial.
The ONLY reason to believe a person is corrupt is because a court of law has established the truth.
But clearly all the suspicion is on Burisma Holdings for paying Hunter Biden to do nothing, and because Sholkin was fired right after the call by Joe Biden, which was likely intended to PROTECT Burisma Holdings, not to increase investigation of Burisma Holdings.

Baloney, the Feds do it all the time with foreign aid as well as funds to the States. Politicians can't do it to enrich themselves or solicit aid in an election.

A president, Sec. of State, etc., can negotiate legal concessions from other countries, by withholding aid.
But NOT a Vice President.
He does not have that authority.
And clearly getting the Ukrainian Inspector General fired, was not for US interests, but for the interests of Burisma Holdings instead.
And that makes it illegal as well.

Sure looks like he had the authority from the President to use the US funds like that. Why can't the President delegate that authority to the VP?

Without pressure from Joe Biden, European diplomats, the International Monetary Fund and other international organizations, Shokin would not have been fired, said Daria Kaleniuk, co-founder and executive director of the Anti Corruption Action Centre in Kiev.

"Civil society organizations in Ukraine were pressing for his resignation," Kaleniuk said, "but no one would have cared if there had not been voices from outside this country calling on him to go."

Explainer: Biden, allies pushed out Ukrainian prosecutor because he didn't pursue corruption cases

That does not make sense because Viktor Shokin was not just a prosecutor, but the the Inspector General, the most trusted man in the entire country. There was no one in the Ukraine government who was more honest.

If he were corrupt as a prosecutor and did not pursue cases where he had been bribed not to, how do you explain why Biden would be afraid of him investigating Hunter Biden and Burisma Holdings? A dishonest prosecutor who fails to prosecute corruption is not a threat to honest people who have nothing to hide. The only ones who fear investigations are those who are corrupt and have something to hide.

Mario making up pure bullshit. Sholkin was corrupt according to just about anyone that dealt with Ukraine.

IMF, DoS, Ukrainian anti-corruption watch groups and HIS OWN DEPUTY quit in protest of the corrupt swamp.

That deputy was reinstated under new president(unlike Sholkin), which implicitly means current Ukrainian President also believes Sholkin deserved to be removed.

So what the fuck makes you think he WASN’T corrupt?

Because there was no trial.
The ONLY reason to believe a person is corrupt is because a court of law has established the truth.
But clearly all the suspicion is on Burisma Holdings for paying Hunter Biden to do nothing, and because Sholkin was fired right after the call by Joe Biden, which was likely intended to PROTECT Burisma Holdings, not to increase investigation of Burisma Holdings.

Dumbass you can’t just make up whatever bullshit you feel like just because there was no trial.

And btw when did Biden’s trial and conviction trajectory place? I musta missed it

 

[DOTR]

“After failing with the voting machine gambit, the Logan Act, the 25th Amendment, the emoluments clause, the McCabe-Rosenstein faux-coup, the Comey memos farce, the “resistance” efforts outlined by the New York Times anonymous op-ed writer, the campaign finance violations accusations, Stormy, tax returns, whistleblowers, leakers, the Mueller 22 months charade, and now impeachment 2.0, what exactly is the point of impeaching Trump just 13 months before the election?”

The Strategies of Targeting Trump

The point is Democrats are insane and know they can’t win an election so have gone full fascist.

At at every one of those they bleated “we got him now!” I’m sort of embarrassed for them.
You even forgot a few...like recounts in three states which resulted in increased Trump votes. And attempts to pressure the electoral college which resulted, one again, in more votes for Trump.

 

[The Original Tree]

And on what planet has "Ukrainegate" impolded? Asking for a friend.

Tell you what. I’ve been asking for weeks what’s the crime and the evidence.

You be the first to answer.

Your non answer answers your question.

Watch the news for 5 minutes. It's not our job to inform you.

You don't inform, you Propagandize.

 

[The Original Tree]

Coat tails can be ignored, but not a vice president committing open blackmail.

Baloney, the Feds do it all the time with foreign aid as well as funds to the States. Politicians can't do it to enrich themselves or solicit aid in an election.

A president, Sec. of State, etc., can negotiate legal concessions from other countries, by withholding aid.
But NOT a Vice President.
He does not have that authority.
And clearly getting the Ukrainian Inspector General fired, was not for US interests, but for the interests of Burisma Holdings instead.
And that makes it illegal as well.

Sure looks like he had the authority from the President to use the US funds like that. Why can't the President delegate that authority to the VP?

Without pressure from Joe Biden, European diplomats, the International Monetary Fund and other international organizations, Shokin would not have been fired, said Daria Kaleniuk, co-founder and executive director of the Anti Corruption Action Centre in Kiev.

"Civil society organizations in Ukraine were pressing for his resignation," Kaleniuk said, "but no one would have cared if there had not been voices from outside this country calling on him to go."

Explainer: Biden, allies pushed out Ukrainian prosecutor because he didn't pursue corruption cases

That does not make sense because Viktor Shokin was not just a prosecutor, but the the Inspector General, the most trusted man in the entire country. There was no one in the Ukraine government who was more honest.

If he were corrupt as a prosecutor and did not pursue cases where he had been bribed not to, how do you explain why Biden would be afraid of him investigating Hunter Biden and Burisma Holdings? A dishonest prosecutor who fails to prosecute corruption is not a threat to honest people who have nothing to hide. The only ones who fear investigations are those who are corrupt and have something to hide.

Exactly. No need for Quid Pro Joe to have a crooked prosecutor fired who could be bought and who wasn't really interested in corruption.
Now an honest man? That's who The Left, and someone like BIDEN is extremely afraid of.

 

[Crepitus]

And on what planet has "Ukrainegate" impolded? Asking for a friend.

Tell you what. I’ve been asking for weeks what’s the crime and the evidence.

You be the first to answer.

Your non answer answers your question.

Watch the news for 5 minutes. It's not our job to inform you.

You don't inform, you Propagandize.

Wow dude.

You iust set some sorta irony record fur sure.

 

[iceberg]

And on what planet has "Ukrainegate" impolded? Asking for a friend.

Tell you what. I’ve been asking for weeks what’s the crime and the evidence.

You be the first to answer.

Your non answer answers your question.

Watch the news for 5 minutes. It's not our job to inform you.

You don't inform, you Propagandize.

Wow dude.

You iust set some sorta irony record fur sure.

i'm also sure you'll take it back soon.

 

[The Original Tree]

And on what planet has "Ukrainegate" impolded? Asking for a friend.

Tell you what. I’ve been asking for weeks what’s the crime and the evidence.

You be the first to answer.

Your non answer answers your question.

Watch the news for 5 minutes. It's not our job to inform you.

You don't inform, you Propagandize.

Wow dude.

You iust set some sorta irony record fur sure.

It's been proven that you and your friends in The Media lie 24-7, just like the Clinton and Obama Ass Munching Traitors still left in our government who tried to over turn our Democracy and our Democratic Elections and still try to this day.

 

[easyt65]

“... what exactly is the point of impeaching Trump just 13 months before the election?”

The Democrats know they can not defeat one of the most successful Presidents in DECADES, that they have to remove him from office before the election.

In their attempt to take down Trump they sunk their leading candidate, Biden. Warren has been exposed for telling more lies - about her father, about pregnancy causing her to lose her position / job, etc..., Bernie had a heart attack, and the 4th option falls woefully short of being competitive...leaving Hillary, skulking in the shadows while publicly declaring SHE is their best option to defeat the President.

 

[Crepitus]

And on what planet has "Ukrainegate" impolded? Asking for a friend.

Tell you what. I’ve been asking for weeks what’s the crime and the evidence.

You be the first to answer.

Your non answer answers your question.

Watch the news for 5 minutes. It's not our job to inform you.

You don't inform, you Propagandize.

Wow dude.

You iust set some sorta irony record fur sure.

i'm also sure you'll take it back soon.

Naw you tRumpkins have all of those pretty solidly locked up.

 

[Crepitus]

And on what planet has "Ukrainegate" impolded? Asking for a friend.

Tell you what. I’ve been asking for weeks what’s the crime and the evidence.

You be the first to answer.

Your non answer answers your question.

Watch the news for 5 minutes. It's not our job to inform you.

You don't inform, you Propagandize.

Wow dude.

You iust set some sorta irony record fur sure.

It's been proven that you and your friends in The Media lie 24-7, just like the Clinton and Obama Ass Munching Traitors still left in our government who tried to over turn our Democracy and our Democratic Elections and still try to this day.

Lol @ "it's been proven".

So, tell us who when and where this has been proven.

 

[iceberg]

Tell you what. I’ve been asking for weeks what’s the crime and the evidence.

You be the first to answer.

Your non answer answers your question.

Watch the news for 5 minutes. It's not our job to inform you.

You don't inform, you Propagandize.

Wow dude.

You iust set some sorta irony record fur sure.

i'm also sure you'll take it back soon.

Naw you tRumpkins have all of those pretty solidly locked up.

wow. you told me - even included your trademark 3rd grade namecalling into the mix.

lord you need some serious help, dude.

 

[Crepitus]

Watch the news for 5 minutes. It's not our job to inform you.

You don't inform, you Propagandize.

Wow dude.

You iust set some sorta irony record fur sure.

i'm also sure you'll take it back soon.

Naw you tRumpkins have all of those pretty solidly locked up.

wow. you told me - even included your trademark 3rd grade namecalling into the mix.

lord you need some serious help, dude.

If I've told ya oncet, I've told ya a hunnerd times; I'll stop with the silly nicknames as soon as the Tangerine Tornado does.

 

[easyt65]

It's been proven that you and your friends in The Media lie 24-7, just like the Clinton and Obama Ass Munching Traitors still left in our government who tried to over turn our Democracy and our Democratic Elections and still try to this day.

D-SCHIFF:
Read a completely fabricated, fictional account - that HE authored - of the President's phone call with the Ukraine PM while HE claimed at 1st it was an actual account....

ABC NEWS:
Produced and aired a completely fictional news story of Turkey bombing the Kurds in an attempt to undermine the President's foreign policy and incite opposition to and a call for the President to be Impeached.

"The video, which ABC News reported was of an attack on the border town of Tal Abyad, was broadcasted Sunday on World News Tonight and on Monday’s edition of Good Morning America. Yet, a comparative analysis by a technology news site found the footage was filmed at Knob Creek Gun Range in West Point, Kentucky."

Trump: ABC News Airing Fake Syria Bombing Video is a 'Real Disgrace'


What we are witnessing is an unprecedented, criminal, Seditious / traitorous 1st in U.S. history - a full-out Counter-Intelligence / intentionally fabrication-supported, seditious attempt to remove a President from office.

 

[The Original Tree]

Tell you what. I’ve been asking for weeks what’s the crime and the evidence.

You be the first to answer.

Your non answer answers your question.

Watch the news for 5 minutes. It's not our job to inform you.

You don't inform, you Propagandize.

Wow dude.

You iust set some sorta irony record fur sure.

It's been proven that you and your friends in The Media lie 24-7, just like the Clinton and Obama Ass Munching Traitors still left in our government who tried to over turn our Democracy and our Democratic Elections and still try to this day.

Lol @ "it's been proven".

So, tell us who when and where this has been proven.

3.5 Years of Crying and Lying about Russian Collusion and Trying to Impeach the President over Russian Propaganda Paid for by Obama Bin Lying and Hillary Rotten Clinton ending in the monumental flop of The Mueller Report despite your attempts to rig the system and run the Fake Investigation with entirely partisan hacks is proof, that you are all Liars, & Commie Ass Licking Propagandists!

In short, you suck Putin's Cock.