Non Religious countries do better

[johnsweeting]

I have in many forums and polls read that Atheists are looked upon as the worst thing ever. I will argue here that living in a democratic country with many atheists is actually a good thing.

Here are the richest countries in the world in GDP (gross domestic product) per person for 2011:

Country US$
1 Luxembourg 122,272
2 Qatar 97,967
3 Norway 96,591
4 Switzerland 84,983
5 Australia 66,984
6 United Arab Emirates 66,625
7 Denmark 63,003
8 Sweden 61,098
9 Netherlands 51,410
10 Canada 51,147
11 Singapore 50,714
12 Austria 50,504
13 Finland 50,090
14 Ireland 48,517
15 United States 48,147
16 Belgium 48,110
17 Kuwait 46,461
18 Japan 45,774
19 Germany 44,558
20 France 44,401


1. Out of the top 20 countries in the list above, 14 belong to the top 25 atheists countries in the world.

Here are the top 4 non religious countries in the world:

1. Sweden - up to 85% atheists - Sweden is leading the world in aid to "poor" countries when looking at giving aid in percent of GDP, Sweden is ranked number one in the world in IT technology, has the most women in the equivalent to the Unites States congress plus many other positive ranks.

2. Denmark - 80% atheist or agnostics. Basically has the same numbers as Sweden with the most aid to poor countries in percentage of GDP. Leader in "happiest country" in the world.

3. Norway - 72% Atheists or agnostics. Once again Norway is really similar to Sweden and Denmark in all the stats about freedom, technology and that the people
are satisfied with their life.

4. Finland - Has the highest school results of the western world in test results for math, reading (The test is called PISA)

Other countries in the top 25 most atheistic countries include:

Japan 65% atheists - Good economy histrionically and has created many high tech things

South Korea - 52% Atheists This country is growing and growing and will soon have the same GDP per capita as most western nations

Switzerland - One of the richest and best countries to live in the world.

Poorest countries in the world: All of these except Nepal is over 98% religious meaning less than 2% atheists or agnostics:

164 Timor-Leste 649
165 Nepal 644
166 Gambia, The 620
167 Guinea-Bissau 585
168 Rwanda 585
169 Afghanistan 575
170 Mozambique 551
171 Tanzania 550
172 Togo 511
173 Central African Republic 483
174 Eritrea 473
175 Uganda 453
176 Guinea 438
177 Madagascar 428
178 Niger 428
179 Ethiopia 351
180 Malawi 350
181 Sierra Leone 347
182 Liberia 258
183 Congo, Democratic Republic of the 211
184 Burundi


You can also look at the most religious christian countries:

Honduras - Over 90% religious - Has the most murders in the world
El Salvador - Over 90% religious - Same problems as Honduras

In Europe the worst performing countries economically as of 2012 are - Greece, Spain, Portugal, Ireland - Guess what these have in common when it comes to religion..They
are very religious.

The best performing countries in Europe are - Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, Netherlands - Take a wild guess if the have more atheist. They are all in the top 25 most atheists countries.

Some interesting facts:

This shows the most "happy" countries in the world in which Denmark (80% atheists) is on top. The religious countries are way down below. Of the top 10, 7 are in top 25 most atheistic countries.

1. Denmark
2. Switzerland
3. Austria
4. Iceland
5. The Bahamas
6. Finland
7 Sweden
8. Bhutan
9. Brunei
10. Canada

Participants in the various studies were asked questions related to happiness and satisfaction with life. The meta-analysis is based on the findings of over 100 different studies around the world, which questioned 80,000 people worldwide. For this study data has also been analyzed in relation to health, wealth and access to education.

Press Freedom Index 2010- All top countries are from top 25 most atheistic countries except Ireland. USA is in place 22.
1 Finland
- Iceland
- Norway
- Netherlands
- Sweden
- Switzerland
7 Austria
8 New Zealand
9 Estonia
- Ireland
11 Denmark
- Japan

Least corrupt countries in the world from Transparency International. The most Atheistic countries on top (9 out of these 10 countries are on top 25 most atheistic)

1. New Zealand
1. Denmark
1. Finland
4. Sweden
5. Singapore
6. Norway
7. Netherlands
8. Australia
8. Switzerland
10. Canada

Global Information Technology report 2011. Most advanced with IT Technology (8 out of top 10 are most atheistic in the world):

1. Sweden
Singapore
Finland
Switzerland
United States
Taiwan, China
Denmark
Canada
Norway
Korea, Rep.
10. Netherlands

Most generous countries when it comes to giving aid to poor countries (percent of GDP) - 8 out of top 10 are the most Atheistic :

Sweden – 1.12%
Norway – 1.06%
Luxembourg – 1.04%
Denmark – 0.88%
Netherlands – 0.82%
Belgium – 0.55%
Finland – 0.54%
Ireland – 0.54%
United Kingdom – 0.52%
France- 0.47%

To sum it up....Atheistic countries in general give more aid to poor countries, have more press freedom, more advanced in technology, have more women in top government positions, are less corrupt and are wealthy.....

My main point is that the facts show that being more non-religious is not that bad which all the statistic show. I wonder how the economy and everything else would be in the USA if they for example would have a non-religious number as for example Sweden. At least it is an interesting question.....

 

[amrchaos]

What was the dominate religion in those nations before the rise of Atheism?


I bet that would produce some very interesting results. Note: A good portion of those countries are not in the WEST. A little History about Singapore or Japan may help explain something about the drop in religious beliefs in some nations

 

[FuelRod]

Are your aid statistics donations by citizens or the governments of these nations?

 

[johnsweeting]

Are your aid statistics donations by citizens or the governments of these nations?

To provide an alternative perspective, the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development also lists countries by the amount of money they give as a percentage of their gross national income. The list includes international giving through official channels that qualify as Official Development Assistance, and national charitable giving. This list is as follows:

As percent of a county's GDP (Gross Domestic Product):

Sweden – 1.12%
Norway – 1.06%
Luxembourg – 1.04%
Denmark – 0.88%
Netherlands – 0.82%
Belgium – 0.55%
Finland – 0.54%
Ireland – 0.54%
United Kingdom – 0.52%
France- 0.47%
Spain – 0.46%
Switzerland – 0.45%
Germany – 0.35%
Canada – 0.30%
Austria – 0.30%
Australia – 0.29%
New Zealand – 0.28%
Portugal – 0.23%
United States – 0.21%
Greece – 0.19%
Japan – 0.18%
Italy – 0.16%
South Korea – 0.10%


In the Republican debates they argue that USA gives to much aid but they give much less than other rich countries. Remember that USA is placed 15 when counting the wealth of a country (GDP per capita)

 

[FuelRod]

I'm wondering where the US ranks in giving by individuals are compared to the other Atheist nations you list.

 

[johnsweeting]

I'm wondering where the US ranks in giving by individuals are compared to the other Atheist nations you list.

FuelRod..I don't know that statistics. Here is another interesting fact:

Most Religious US states:

Mississippi: 59 percent are very religious
Utah: 57 percent
Alabama: 56 percent
Louisiana: 54 percent

Least Religious:

Maine: 25 percent
Vermont: 23 percent are very religious
New Hampshire: 23 percent
Massachusetts: 28 percent

Mississippi, Alabama, and Louisiana are among the poorest with low high school graduation rates and Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire and Massachusetts are among the wealthiest and among the top when it comes to high school graduation rates.

 

[Artevelde]

I have in many forums and polls read that Atheists are looked upon as the worst thing ever. I will argue here that living in a democratic country with many atheists is actually a good thing.

Here are the richest countries in the world in GDP (gross domestic product) per person for 2011:

Country US$
1 Luxembourg 122,272
2 Qatar 97,967
3 Norway 96,591
4 Switzerland 84,983
5 Australia 66,984
6 United Arab Emirates 66,625
7 Denmark 63,003
8 Sweden 61,098
9 Netherlands 51,410
10 Canada 51,147
11 Singapore 50,714
12 Austria 50,504
13 Finland 50,090
14 Ireland 48,517
15 United States 48,147
16 Belgium 48,110
17 Kuwait 46,461
18 Japan 45,774
19 Germany 44,558
20 France 44,401


1. Out of the top 20 countries in the list above, 14 belong to the top 25 atheists countries in the world.

Here are the top 4 non religious countries in the world:

1. Sweden - up to 85% atheists - Sweden is leading the world in aid to "poor" countries when looking at giving aid in percent of GDP, Sweden is ranked number one in the world in IT technology, has the most women in the equivalent to the Unites States congress plus many other positive ranks.

2. Denmark - 80% atheist or agnostics. Basically has the same numbers as Sweden with the most aid to poor countries in percentage of GDP. Leader in "happiest country" in the world.

3. Norway - 72% Atheists or agnostics. Once again Norway is really similar to Sweden and Denmark in all the stats about freedom, technology and that the people
are satisfied with their life.

4. Finland - Has the highest school results of the western world in test results for math, reading (The test is called PISA)

Other countries in the top 25 most atheistic countries include:

Japan 65% atheists - Good economy histrionically and has created many high tech things

South Korea - 52% Atheists This country is growing and growing and will soon have the same GDP per capita as most western nations

Switzerland - One of the richest and best countries to live in the world.

Poorest countries in the world: All of these except Nepal is over 98% religious meaning less than 2% atheists or agnostics:

164 Timor-Leste 649
165 Nepal 644
166 Gambia, The 620
167 Guinea-Bissau 585
168 Rwanda 585
169 Afghanistan 575
170 Mozambique 551
171 Tanzania 550
172 Togo 511
173 Central African Republic 483
174 Eritrea 473
175 Uganda 453
176 Guinea 438
177 Madagascar 428
178 Niger 428
179 Ethiopia 351
180 Malawi 350
181 Sierra Leone 347
182 Liberia 258
183 Congo, Democratic Republic of the 211
184 Burundi


You can also look at the most religious christian countries:

Honduras - Over 90% religious - Has the most murders in the world
El Salvador - Over 90% religious - Same problems as Honduras

In Europe the worst performing countries economically as of 2012 are - Greece, Spain, Portugal, Ireland - Guess what these have in common when it comes to religion..They
are very religious.

The best performing countries in Europe are - Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, Netherlands - Take a wild guess if the have more atheist. They are all in the top 25 most atheists countries.

Some interesting facts:

This shows the most "happy" countries in the world in which Denmark (80% atheists) is on top. The religious countries are way down below. Of the top 10, 7 are in top 25 most atheistic countries.

1. Denmark
2. Switzerland
3. Austria
4. Iceland
5. The Bahamas
6. Finland
7 Sweden
8. Bhutan
9. Brunei
10. Canada

Participants in the various studies were asked questions related to happiness and satisfaction with life. The meta-analysis is based on the findings of over 100 different studies around the world, which questioned 80,000 people worldwide. For this study data has also been analyzed in relation to health, wealth and access to education.

Press Freedom Index 2010- All top countries are from top 25 most atheistic countries except Ireland. USA is in place 22.
1 Finland
- Iceland
- Norway
- Netherlands
- Sweden
- Switzerland
7 Austria
8 New Zealand
9 Estonia
- Ireland
11 Denmark
- Japan

Least corrupt countries in the world from Transparency International. The most Atheistic countries on top (9 out of these 10 countries are on top 25 most atheistic)

1. New Zealand
1. Denmark
1. Finland
4. Sweden
5. Singapore
6. Norway
7. Netherlands
8. Australia
8. Switzerland
10. Canada

Global Information Technology report 2011. Most advanced with IT Technology (8 out of top 10 are most atheistic in the world):

1. Sweden
Singapore
Finland
Switzerland
United States
Taiwan, China
Denmark
Canada
Norway
Korea, Rep.
10. Netherlands

Most generous countries when it comes to giving aid to poor countries (percent of GDP) - 8 out of top 10 are the most Atheistic :

Sweden – 1.12%
Norway – 1.06%
Luxembourg – 1.04%
Denmark – 0.88%
Netherlands – 0.82%
Belgium – 0.55%
Finland – 0.54%
Ireland – 0.54%
United Kingdom – 0.52%
France- 0.47%

To sum it up....Atheistic countries in general give more aid to poor countries, have more press freedom, more advanced in technology, have more women in top government positions, are less corrupt and are wealthy.....

My main point is that the facts show that being more non-religious is not that bad which all the statistic show. I wonder how the economy and everything else would be in the USA if they for example would have a non-religious number as for example Sweden. At least it is an interesting question.....

Your figures are fairly ludicrous.

And I guess atheism is why the Soviet Union was such a succes?

 

[editec]

If you want to play the which religion or NON religion is gbetter for the economy game?

Try comparing prdominately historically Protestant nations v Catholic nations game sometime.

Using that misleading METRIC you'll discover that PROTS are more productive than CATHOLICS too.

I don't suppose you've ever heard the phrase:

coorelation doesn't necessarily mean cuasation.​

 

[whitehall]

Freedom you dummies. It has nothing to do with religion.

 

[Katzndogz]

It's a crock! Non religious countries do better is a complete and total piece of leftist BS.

Qatar and Kuwait are both islamic theocracies so they are hardly non religous. I won't look up all the listed countries to see if they shit stink too so let's just take Denmark. The claim is 83% atheist. Really. No proof for that so let's look at the facts.

Denmark has an OFFICIAL religion written right into their Constitution. They are Evangelical Lutheran. Other religions are TOLERATED but Demark itself appears to be very religious indeed. What percentage of the population is Evangelical Lutheran? 80.7%. Islam is the second largest religion at 3.6%.

Although religious freedom is guaranteed, the state-supported Evangelical Lutheran Church has a membership of 80.7% of the population. Several other Christian denominations, as well as other major religions, find adherents in Denmark. Islam is now the second-largest religion in Denmark, with the number of Muslims in Denmark estimated at 3.6% of the population.

If the Happiest Country in the world is this religious, maybe we should amend our Constitution to establish Christianity as the official state supported religion. Rather than 83% atheist, Demark seems to be just over 83% VERY religious.

Denmark

 

[Katzndogz]

I just had to look up one other. Luxemborg. Is Luxemborg really athiest?

Well No.

It is, in fact, 87% Roman Catholic. The balance being Christians of other practices with non believers too small to count.

What is the religion in Luxembourg

I hate liberal lies. They just can't tell the truth. The most successful countries are those with a strong religious belief system. Didn't that list include Japan? The Japanese remain divided between Shinto and Buddhism. Or don't these count as religions.

Before anyone believes a liberal pile, look it up.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

I don't suppose you've ever heard the phrase:

coorelation doesn't necessarily mean cuasation.

Agreed. Except it's correlation does not imply causation.

You're comparing wildly varying economic policies juxtaposed into religious affiliation. Economics do not deal in religion on a national bases. As GDP, in today's international economic climate, is a result of trade variations between other nations mainly. Unless the countries are autarkic. Which none of those are at this point or have been in any recent times.

 

[Peach]

I don't suppose you've ever heard the phrase:

coorelation doesn't necessarily mean cuasation.

Agreed. Except it's correlation does not imply causation.

You're comparing wildly varying economic policies juxtaposed into religious affiliation. Economics do not deal in religion on a national bases. As GDP, in today's international economic climate, is a result of trade variations between other nations mainly. Unless the countries are autarkic. Which none of those are at this point or have been in any recent times.

Good point, and leftist does not equal "atheist"; I know one atheist, very right wing American.

 

[Gadawg73]

Most all the atheists I know are Republican.

Religion and party affiliation mean nothing.
Most of the Republicans I know despise Rick Santorum and the religous right.

 

[California Girl]

Ireland one of the wealthiest countries? Is that before or after they received a massive bailout from the EU?

Clearly, that is one fucked up list.

 

[Peach]

Ireland one of the wealthiest countries? Is that before or after they received a massive bailout from the EU?

Clearly, that is one fucked up list.

And the states listed as NON religious appears to be a fabrication.

 

[Katzndogz]

Ireland one of the wealthiest countries? Is that before or after they received a massive bailout from the EU?

Clearly, that is one fucked up list.

It came off the Huffington Post, what do you expect?

 

[Unkotare]

Other countries in the top 25 most atheistic countries include:

Japan 65% atheists - Good economy histrionically and has created many high tech things

South Korea - 52% Atheists This country is growing and growing and will soon have the same GDP per capita as most western nations....

Misleading, and highly dubious categorization.