Non Religious countries do better

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    I have in many forums and polls read that Atheists are looked upon as the worst thing ever. I will argue here that living in a democratic country with many atheists is actually a good thing.

    Here are the richest countries in the world in GDP (gross domestic product) per person for 2011:

    Country US$
    1 Luxembourg 122,272
    2 Qatar 97,967
    3 Norway 96,591
    4 Switzerland 84,983
    5 Australia 66,984
    6 United Arab Emirates 66,625
    7 Denmark 63,003
    8 Sweden 61,098
    9 Netherlands 51,410
    10 Canada 51,147
    11 Singapore 50,714
    12 Austria 50,504
    13 Finland 50,090
    14 Ireland 48,517
    15 United States 48,147
    16 Belgium 48,110
    17 Kuwait 46,461
    18 Japan 45,774
    19 Germany 44,558
    20 France 44,401


    1. Out of the top 20 countries in the list above, 14 belong to the top 25 atheists countries in the world.

    Here are the top 4 non religious countries in the world:

    1. Sweden - up to 85% atheists - Sweden is leading the world in aid to "poor" countries when looking at giving aid in percent of GDP, Sweden is ranked number one in the world in IT technology, has the most women in the equivalent to the Unites States congress plus many other positive ranks.

    2. Denmark - 80% atheist or agnostics. Basically has the same numbers as Sweden with the most aid to poor countries in percentage of GDP. Leader in "happiest country" in the world.

    3. Norway - 72% Atheists or agnostics. Once again Norway is really similar to Sweden and Denmark in all the stats about freedom, technology and that the people
    are satisfied with their life.

    4. Finland - Has the highest school results of the western world in test results for math, reading (The test is called PISA)

    Other countries in the top 25 most atheistic countries include:

    Japan 65% atheists - Good economy histrionically and has created many high tech things

    South Korea - 52% Atheists This country is growing and growing and will soon have the same GDP per capita as most western nations

    Switzerland - One of the richest and best countries to live in the world.

    Poorest countries in the world: All of these except Nepal is over 98% religious meaning less than 2% atheists or agnostics:

    164 Timor-Leste 649
    165 Nepal 644
    166 Gambia, The 620
    167 Guinea-Bissau 585
    168 Rwanda 585
    169 Afghanistan 575
    170 Mozambique 551
    171 Tanzania 550
    172 Togo 511
    173 Central African Republic 483
    174 Eritrea 473
    175 Uganda 453
    176 Guinea 438
    177 Madagascar 428
    178 Niger 428
    179 Ethiopia 351
    180 Malawi 350
    181 Sierra Leone 347
    182 Liberia 258
    183 Congo, Democratic Republic of the 211
    184 Burundi


    You can also look at the most religious christian countries:

    Honduras - Over 90% religious - Has the most murders in the world
    El Salvador - Over 90% religious - Same problems as Honduras

    In Europe the worst performing countries economically as of 2012 are - Greece, Spain, Portugal, Ireland - Guess what these have in common when it comes to religion..They
    are very religious.

    The best performing countries in Europe are - Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, Netherlands - Take a wild guess if the have more atheist. They are all in the top 25 most atheists countries.

    Some interesting facts:

    This shows the most "happy" countries in the world in which Denmark (80% atheists) is on top. The religious countries are way down below. Of the top 10, 7 are in top 25 most atheistic countries.

    1. Denmark
    2. Switzerland
    3. Austria
    4. Iceland
    5. The Bahamas
    6. Finland
    7 Sweden
    8. Bhutan
    9. Brunei
    10. Canada

    Participants in the various studies were asked questions related to happiness and satisfaction with life. The meta-analysis is based on the findings of over 100 different studies around the world, which questioned 80,000 people worldwide. For this study data has also been analyzed in relation to health, wealth and access to education.


    Press Freedom Index 2010- All top countries are from top 25 most atheistic countries except Ireland. USA is in place 22.
    1 Finland
    - Iceland
    - Norway
    - Netherlands
    - Sweden
    - Switzerland
    7 Austria
    8 New Zealand
    9 Estonia
    - Ireland
    11 Denmark
    - Japan

    Least corrupt countries in the world from Transparency International. The most Atheistic countries on top (9 out of these 10 countries are on top 25 most atheistic)

    1. New Zealand
    1. Denmark
    1. Finland
    4. Sweden
    5. Singapore
    6. Norway
    7. Netherlands
    8. Australia
    8. Switzerland
    10. Canada

    Global Information Technology report 2011. Most advanced with IT Technology (8 out of top 10 are most atheistic in the world):

    1. Sweden
    Singapore
    Finland
    Switzerland
    United States
    Taiwan, China
    Denmark
    Canada
    Norway
    Korea, Rep.
    10. Netherlands

    Most generous countries when it comes to giving aid to poor countries (percent of GDP) - 8 out of top 10 are the most Atheistic :

    Sweden – 1.12%
    Norway – 1.06%
    Luxembourg – 1.04%
    Denmark – 0.88%
    Netherlands – 0.82%
    Belgium – 0.55%
    Finland – 0.54%
    Ireland – 0.54%
    United Kingdom – 0.52%
    France- 0.47%

    To sum it up....Atheistic countries in general give more aid to poor countries, have more press freedom, more advanced in technology, have more women in top government positions, are less corrupt and are wealthy.....

    My main point is that the facts show that being more non-religious is not that bad which all the statistic show. I wonder how the economy and everything else would be in the USA if they for example would have a non-religious number as for example Sweden. At least it is an interesting question.....
     
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    What was the dominate religion in those nations before the rise of Atheism?


    I bet that would produce some very interesting results. Note: A good portion of those countries are not in the WEST. A little History about Singapore or Japan may help explain something about the drop in religious beliefs in some nations
     
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    Are your aid statistics donations by citizens or the governments of these nations?
     
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    To provide an alternative perspective, the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development also lists countries by the amount of money they give as a percentage of their gross national income. The list includes international giving through official channels that qualify as Official Development Assistance, and national charitable giving. This list is as follows:

    As percent of a county's GDP (Gross Domestic Product):

    Sweden – 1.12%
    Norway – 1.06%
    Luxembourg – 1.04%
    Denmark – 0.88%
    Netherlands – 0.82%
    Belgium – 0.55%
    Finland – 0.54%
    Ireland – 0.54%
    United Kingdom – 0.52%
    France- 0.47%
    Spain – 0.46%
    Switzerland – 0.45%
    Germany – 0.35%
    Canada – 0.30%
    Austria – 0.30%
    Australia – 0.29%
    New Zealand – 0.28%
    Portugal – 0.23%
    United States – 0.21%
    Greece – 0.19%
    Japan – 0.18%
    Italy – 0.16%
    South Korea – 0.10%


    In the Republican debates they argue that USA gives to much aid but they give much less than other rich countries. Remember that USA is placed 15 when counting the wealth of a country (GDP per capita)
     
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    I'm wondering where the US ranks in giving by individuals are compared to the other Atheist nations you list.
     
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    FuelRod..I don't know that statistics. Here is another interesting fact:

    Most Religious US states:

    Mississippi: 59 percent are very religious
    Utah: 57 percent
    Alabama: 56 percent
    Louisiana: 54 percent

    Least Religious:

    Maine: 25 percent
    Vermont: 23 percent are very religious
    New Hampshire: 23 percent
    Massachusetts: 28 percent

    Mississippi, Alabama, and Louisiana are among the poorest with low high school graduation rates and Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire and Massachusetts are among the wealthiest and among the top when it comes to high school graduation rates.
     
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    Your figures are fairly ludicrous.

    And I guess atheism is why the Soviet Union was such a succes?
     
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    If you want to play the which religion or NON religion is gbetter for the economy game?

    Try comparing prdominately historically Protestant nations v Catholic nations game sometime.

    Using that misleading METRIC you'll discover that PROTS are more productive than CATHOLICS too.

    I don't suppose you've ever heard the phrase:

    coorelation doesn't necessarily mean cuasation.
     
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    Freedom you dummies. It has nothing to do with religion.
     
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    It's a crock! Non religious countries do better is a complete and total piece of leftist BS.

    Qatar and Kuwait are both islamic theocracies so they are hardly non religous. I won't look up all the listed countries to see if they shit stink too so let's just take Denmark. The claim is 83% atheist. Really. No proof for that so let's look at the facts.

    Denmark has an OFFICIAL religion written right into their Constitution. They are Evangelical Lutheran. Other religions are TOLERATED but Demark itself appears to be very religious indeed. What percentage of the population is Evangelical Lutheran? 80.7%. Islam is the second largest religion at 3.6%.

    Although religious freedom is guaranteed, the state-supported Evangelical Lutheran Church has a membership of 80.7% of the population. Several other Christian denominations, as well as other major religions, find adherents in Denmark. Islam is now the second-largest religion in Denmark, with the number of Muslims in Denmark estimated at 3.6% of the population.

    If the Happiest Country in the world is this religious, maybe we should amend our Constitution to establish Christianity as the official state supported religion. Rather than 83% atheist, Demark seems to be just over 83% VERY religious.

    Denmark
     

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