No...Trump didn't break the law with Ukraine funds...so stop drooling, left wingers

[RealDave]

No....Trump didn't break the law, but it is now obvious that democrat party activists work in the GAO...releasing this the same day Trump signs the huge Trade deal with Mexico and Canada...

GAO: Trump violated the Impoundment Control Act in hold on Ukraine aid

Read the whole report, however, and one finds the glaring issue with this conclusion, which is that the administration didn’t have an obligation to release the funds on any specific date in the fiscal year. All they needed to do was to make sure the money got spent by the last day of the budget cycle:

For fiscal year 2019, Congress appropriated $250 million for the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative (USAI). Pub. L. No. 115-245, § 9013, 132 Stat. at 3044–45. The funds were available “to provide assistance, including training; equipment; lethal assistance; logistics support, supplies and services; sustainment; and intelligence support to the military and national security forces of Ukraine.” Id. § 9013, 132 Stat. at 3044. The appropriation made the funds available for obligation through September 30, 2019.
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GAO rebukes the Trump administration for issuing a series of orders making the funds temporarily unavailable without any explanations for why. Had the administration not spent the funds at all, it would have been required to send a “special message” to Congress within 15 days of that decision to allow for both chambers to take action on it. The GAO also argues that those decisions have to be based on “programmatic” issues rather than policy decisions, which they mean temporary issues with the programs and processes themselves rather than policy opposition to them. That, however, is not found in the text of the ICA; in fact, it doesn’t place any effective limitation on the reason for such rescissions, emphasis mine:
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The very text of the ICA envisions such rescissions taken for reasons of “fiscal policy or other reasons,” and has no explicit limitation on reasons being “programmatic.” It even explicitly recognizes the legitimacy of canceling “authorized projects,” which is the opposite of the GAO’s definition of “programmatic.” The ICA does require the president/administration to notify Congress of those decisions, but only when the money won’t be spent within the fiscal year.

And the key......

In this case, the money did get spent within the budget year. The aid may not have gone out as quickly as Congress intended or as the administration first planned, but as long as it got spent, there’s no violation.

You forgot the part where he demanded the President of te Ukraine to announce an investigation of his political rival to get that aids.

That is a crime.

IMPOTUS FOREVER!!!!

 

[RealDave]

Now they are going after Nick Malvany lol
JC Democrats get over it you lost 2016

Nick who admitted Trump did it?

 

[Muhammed]

No....Trump didn't break the law, but it is now obvious that democrat party activists work in the GAO...releasing this the same day Trump signs the huge Trade deal with Mexico and Canada...

GAO: Trump violated the Impoundment Control Act in hold on Ukraine aid

Read the whole report, however, and one finds the glaring issue with this conclusion, which is that the administration didn’t have an obligation to release the funds on any specific date in the fiscal year. All they needed to do was to make sure the money got spent by the last day of the budget cycle:

For fiscal year 2019, Congress appropriated $250 million for the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative (USAI). Pub. L. No. 115-245, § 9013, 132 Stat. at 3044–45. The funds were available “to provide assistance, including training; equipment; lethal assistance; logistics support, supplies and services; sustainment; and intelligence support to the military and national security forces of Ukraine.” Id. § 9013, 132 Stat. at 3044. The appropriation made the funds available for obligation through September 30, 2019.
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GAO rebukes the Trump administration for issuing a series of orders making the funds temporarily unavailable without any explanations for why. Had the administration not spent the funds at all, it would have been required to send a “special message” to Congress within 15 days of that decision to allow for both chambers to take action on it. The GAO also argues that those decisions have to be based on “programmatic” issues rather than policy decisions, which they mean temporary issues with the programs and processes themselves rather than policy opposition to them. That, however, is not found in the text of the ICA; in fact, it doesn’t place any effective limitation on the reason for such rescissions, emphasis mine:
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The very text of the ICA envisions such rescissions taken for reasons of “fiscal policy or other reasons,” and has no explicit limitation on reasons being “programmatic.” It even explicitly recognizes the legitimacy of canceling “authorized projects,” which is the opposite of the GAO’s definition of “programmatic.” The ICA does require the president/administration to notify Congress of those decisions, but only when the money won’t be spent within the fiscal year.

And the key......

In this case, the money did get spent within the budget year. The aid may not have gone out as quickly as Congress intended or as the administration first planned, but as long as it got spent, there’s no violation.

Meh, that's not really the most relevant issue.

It all boils down to the fact that as Commander in Chief, Trump has the ultimate authority to deny arms exports and military assistance to any country he wants.

It's 100% the president's decision to make.

 

[edthecynic]

Trump released funds for Ukraine on September 11, 2019. End of issue.

The money was NOT released in Sept 2019 which is why Congress had to pass an extension into fiscal 2020 for the money to be sent to Ukraine.
This has already been proven to you in this very thread, but like the worthless lying scum POS you are, you just continue to lie!

CNN says you are a fucking liar.

"
In a phone call on September 11, Ohio Sen. Rob Portman made one last pitch to the President, telling him that with the end of the fiscal year fast approaching, if he didn't act soon there wouldn't be time to get the money out the door, according to six sources familiar with the call.
Trump put up his usual defenses with Portman, claiming the US was getting a poor deal in Ukraine and that European allies weren't doing their fair share to help the embattled former Soviet republic, the sources said.
But in a move that surprised officials from Washington to Kiev, after months of holding up the money the President finally relented. That evening after his call with Portman, Trump released the funds."

Events behind Trump's decision to release Ukraine money remain a mystery - CNNPolitics

If it was true that the money was released on Sept 11, 2019, then there would have been no need for Congress to grant an extension which passed on Sept 26, 2019. CNN is just reporting the lies told to them by Tramp and Portman.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

If it was true that the money was released on Sept 11, 2019, then there would have been no need for Congress to grant an extension which passed on Sept 26, 2019. CNN is just reporting the lies told to them by Tramp and Portman.

Go ask Nita Lowey why she put in an extension for funds to Ukraine.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Meh, that's not really the most relevant issue.

It all boils down to the fact that as Commander in Chief, Trump has the ultimate authority to deny arms exports and military assistance to any country he wants.

It's 100% the president's decision to make.

That's the decision Barack Obama made when the Russians were overrunning the Crimea....no funding for Ukrainian defense!

Who is Vlad Putin's friend? Barack Obama is!

 

[edthecynic]

If it was true that the money was released on Sept 11, 2019, then there would have been no need for Congress to grant an extension which passed on Sept 26, 2019. CNN is just reporting the lies told to them by Tramp and Portman.

Go ask Nita Lowey why she put in an extension for funds to Ukraine.

The same reason the GOP controlled Senate passed the bill on Sept 26, 2019, because the money hadn't been released yet in spite of Tramp lying about it being released Sept 11, 2019.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

The same reason the GOP controlled Senate passed the bill on Sept 26, 2019, because the money hadn't been released yet in spite of Tramp lying about it being released Sept 11, 2019.

Is that so? Why isn't the Pelosi circus making this part of their charges then?

You just are so stupid and uninformed.

 

[edthecynic]

The same reason the GOP controlled Senate passed the bill on Sept 26, 2019, because the money hadn't been released yet in spite of Tramp lying about it being released Sept 11, 2019.

Is that so? Why isn't the Pelosi circus making this part of their charges then?

You just are so stupid and uninformed.

The GAO had not made its ruling that Tramp violated the Impoundment Control Act of 1974 yet. However she did include in the evidence that members of Tramp's regime resigned over fears that Tramp's actions violated the Impoundment Act proving Tramp knew what he was doing was probably against the law.

 

[Muhammed]

Meh, that's not really the most relevant issue.

It all boils down to the fact that as Commander in Chief, Trump has the ultimate authority to deny arms exports and military assistance to any country he wants.

It's 100% the presidents decision to make.

That's the decision Barack Obama made when the Russians were overrunning the Crimea....no funding for Ukrainian defense!

Who is Vlad Putin's friend? Barack Obama is!

Yes, as CiNC, it was entirely Obama's decision to suck Putin's cock. No statutory law required Obama to suck Putin's cock, he did that by his own volition.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

The GAO had not made its ruling that Tramp violated the Impoundment Control Act of 1974 yet. However she did include in the evidence that members of Tramp's regime resigned over fears that Tramp's actions violated the Impoundment Act proving Tramp knew what he was doing was probably against the law.

That's your unproved contention, anyway.

 

[Muhammed]

The same reason the GOP controlled Senate passed the bill on Sept 26, 2019, because the money hadn't been released yet in spite of Tramp lying about it being released Sept 11, 2019.

Is that so? Why isn't the Pelosi circus making this part of their charges then?

You just are so stupid and uninformed.

The GAO had not made its ruling that Tramp violated the Impoundment Control Act of 1974 yet. However she did include in the evidence that members of Tramp's regime resigned over fears that Tramp's actions violated the Impoundment Act proving Tramp knew what he was doing was probably against the law.

What you are not comprehending is the FACT that president Trump is the fucking Commander in Chief. Therefore he is the ultimate legal authority regarding decisions, at any whim, to deny any arms sales or military assistance to any foreign power for any reason.

Why are you too fucking stupid to comprehend that fact?

Look up the Arms Control Export Act, you fucking idiot.

There is nothing in it that says Joe Biden or any other so-called ''political rival" is immune from investigation.


If running for political office automatically made you immune to any investigation, let alone prosecution, then every murderer and rapist in the world would run for office.

Things that make you go hmmmm?

 

[edthecynic]

What you are not comprehending is the FACT that president Trump is the fucking Commander in Chief. Therefore he is the ultimate legal authority regarding decisions, at any whim, to deny any arms sales or military assistance to any foreign power for any reason.

Except the Impoundment act REQUIRES him to report that "reason" to Congress FIRST, which he did not do! Thus he broke the law, PERIOD FULL STOP!

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

I suppose we are supposed to ignore whatever Joe Biden does because he is running for president.

 

[Muhammed]

What you are not comprehending is the FACT that president Trump is the fucking Commander in Chief. Therefore he is the ultimate legal authority regarding decisions, at any whim, to deny any arms sales or military assistance to any foreign power for any reason.

Except the Impoundment act REQUIRES him to report that "reason" to Congress FIRST, which he did not do! Thus he broke the law, PERIOD FULL STOP!

Bullshit. Congress cannot usurp Executive Authority. The Democrats can certainly pretend to try, but it isn't going to happen, bitch. Their ridiculous partisan laughable dog and pony show witch hunt does not have the votes.

PERIOD FULL STOP.

P.S

Suck on that, ignorant scumbag.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

The same reason the GOP controlled Senate passed the bill on Sept 26, 2019, because the money hadn't been released yet in spite of Tramp lying about it being released Sept 11, 2019.

Is that so? Why isn't the Pelosi circus making this part of their charges then?

You just are so stupid and uninformed.

The GAO had not made its ruling that Tramp violated the Impoundment Control Act of 1974 yet. However she did include in the evidence that members of Tramp's regime resigned over fears that Tramp's actions violated the Impoundment Act proving Tramp knew what he was doing was probably against the law.

Again, even if true, not a high crime of misdemeanor.

 

[edthecynic]

What you are not comprehending is the FACT that president Trump is the fucking Commander in Chief. Therefore he is the ultimate legal authority regarding decisions, at any whim, to deny any arms sales or military assistance to any foreign power for any reason.

Except the Impoundment act REQUIRES him to report that "reason" to Congress FIRST, which he did not do! Thus he broke the law, PERIOD FULL STOP!

Bullshit. Congress cannot usurp Executive Authority. The Democrats can certainly pretend to try, but it isn't going to happen, bitch. Their ridiculous partisan laughable dog and pony show witch hunt does not have the votes.

PERIOD FULL STOP.

P.S

Suck on that, ignorant scumbag.

The CONSTITUTION limits executive authority, the VERY purpose of the Constitution as the Right make a habit of reminding us!
Suck on that you American Constitution-hating Russian Troll!

 

[edthecynic]

The same reason the GOP controlled Senate passed the bill on Sept 26, 2019, because the money hadn't been released yet in spite of Tramp lying about it being released Sept 11, 2019.

Is that so? Why isn't the Pelosi circus making this part of their charges then?

You just are so stupid and uninformed.

The GAO had not made its ruling that Tramp violated the Impoundment Control Act of 1974 yet. However she did include in the evidence that members of Tramp's regime resigned over fears that Tramp's actions violated the Impoundment Act proving Tramp knew what he was doing was probably against the law.

Again, even if true, not a high crime of misdemeanor.

It IS true and it IS a misdemeanor.

 

[Muhammed]

What you are not comprehending is the FACT that president Trump is the fucking Commander in Chief. Therefore he is the ultimate legal authority regarding decisions, at any whim, to deny any arms sales or military assistance to any foreign power for any reason.

Except the Impoundment act REQUIRES him to report that "reason" to Congress FIRST, which he did not do! Thus he broke the law, PERIOD FULL STOP!

Bullshit. Congress cannot usurp Executive Authority. The Democrats can certainly pretend to try, but it isn't going to happen, bitch. Their ridiculous partisan laughable dog and pony show witch hunt does not have the votes.

PERIOD FULL STOP.

P.S

Suck on that, ignorant scumbag.

The CONSTITUTION limits executive authority, the VERY purpose of the Constitution as the Right make a habit of reminding us!
Suck on that you American Constitution-hating Russian Troll!

What clause of the US constitution says that Donald Trump must allow military aid to Ukraine?

You cannot cite that clause because it simply does not exist, you fucking imbecile.

 

[edthecynic]

What you are not comprehending is the FACT that president Trump is the fucking Commander in Chief. Therefore he is the ultimate legal authority regarding decisions, at any whim, to deny any arms sales or military assistance to any foreign power for any reason.

Except the Impoundment act REQUIRES him to report that "reason" to Congress FIRST, which he did not do! Thus he broke the law, PERIOD FULL STOP!

Bullshit. Congress cannot usurp Executive Authority. The Democrats can certainly pretend to try, but it isn't going to happen, bitch. Their ridiculous partisan laughable dog and pony show witch hunt does not have the votes.

PERIOD FULL STOP.

P.S

Suck on that, ignorant scumbag.

The CONSTITUTION limits executive authority, the VERY purpose of the Constitution as the Right make a habit of reminding us!
Suck on that you American Constitution-hating Russian Troll!

What clause of the US constitution says that Donald Trump must allow military aid to Ukraine?

You cannot cite that clause because it simply does not exist, you fucking imbecile.

The Constitution says the president must follow the laws of the land, and Congress by law controls spending, which the Right habitually reminds us.