No One Has a Right to Health Care

[Ray From Cleveland]

Should all veterans have health care?

Yes they should. Why would you ask that?

If no one has a right to health care, does that mean "no one" or actually some Americans do have a right? So if some Americans do have a right to health care then who decides and decides on what basis?

It's not a right, it's a benefit for joining our military to fight for our country. It's no different than retirement plans or healthcare after retirement if you worked for a company that had those provisions.

So should all Americans get health care benefits for being an American?

Not for being an American. For serving our country, yes. It was promised to them when they signed up. It's one of several benefits we offer to our solders for giving a part of their life to us. We owe it to them.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Should all veterans have health care?

Yes they should. Why would you ask that?

If no one has a right to health care, does that mean "no one" or actually some Americans do have a right? So if some Americans do have a right to health care then who decides and decides on what basis?

We're the only industrialized nation in the world which doesn't provide total health care for all it's citizens. We're also the only one with a thousand insurance companies.

We now have flights to Cuba, Venezuela , Somalia , any paradise you wish

..
Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out

Esther La Vista, Dude

So if some Americans have a right to health care and some do not, who should decide and on what basis?

Who doesn't have a right to healthcare?

 

[francoHFW]

Because we have 11 million illegals, they work, pay taxes, and own homes, and a fence is stupid and won't work. Only a good SS/ID card will, dupes. Pubs love cheap, easily bullied labor, and distract the dupes with wall bs and laws that only harass illegals. Ay caramba.

And Democrats are selling out America for votes while at the same time, allowing our wages to remain stagnant because of these illegals. Then when Americans fall on hard times, they blame the Republicans and the rich people instead of themselves.

BS, dupe. Dems have been trying to get a good SS/ID card forever. And to get higher wages...Blaming them for this mess is amazing big lie stuff...

Higher wages only happens when unions threaten companies to overpay workers, government increases the minimum wage which is a tax on everybody, or supply and demand. The latter the most natural way for wages to increase.

Too much supply and not enough demand, prices lower. Too little supply and high demand, prices increase.

As long as Democrats keep bringing in these foreigners, there will never be a situation of too little supply, because we have an endless supply right on that southern border.

Higher wages happen when Pubs aren't obstructing fairness, dupe.

Pass the Lindsay Graham Immigration Bill with a good SS/ID card and END THIS PUB MESS.

I have a better idea: create a law that states anybody caught here illegally faces a minimum sentence of 5 years in prison. They will rush that border like there is a pile of money on the other side. No fence, no more money spent on additional border patrol, problem solved.

Pew in 2007 found that 94% of adult male illegals worked, 65% paid taxes, and 35% own homes. Thanks GOP! The truth is the GOP just uses this and racist hate as a wedge issue during elections but LOVES the cheap labor, dupe. You can't toss 11 million people- 80% of the country knows it- then there are the ignorant hater dupes.

 

[francoHFW]

145 IQ, Masters in History. You, masters in RW propaganda.

Your Masters are in food stamp scamming and getting HUD homes. Who are you trying to kid????

Retired teacher and businessman, brainwashed functional moron.

Yeah, you sure write like one.

I hate typing. On the other hand, I'm always right and never lie, or repeat them.Pubs and dupes never stop.

 

[Campbell]

republican compassion....iraq...5000 dead and 30,000 maimed for life. People that send the poor and minorities to war for profit surly do not care if you feel well. I cant wait for the revolution. Eat the rich.

Yeah...Bush and his god pulled that mess out of their asses. Ever notice how Republicans are good at starting wars but never go fight and die in them?

Most people in the military are Republican.

Horse shit.....that's just what they lead their CO's to believe. Their votes are something else.

I can understand career military being Republican.....they know who starts unnecessary wars.

It's a military thing, you would not understand...

Let's see numbnuts! I was in the army in 1957 and 1958, AAA ft. Bliss, TX and in Co. C, 5th Med Tank Btn 109th Armored Division until 1964. I was tank commander on an M-48 med patton tank when I was discharged. What makes you think you know things about others when you don't know much about anything?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And Democrats are selling out America for votes while at the same time, allowing our wages to remain stagnant because of these illegals. Then when Americans fall on hard times, they blame the Republicans and the rich people instead of themselves.

BS, dupe. Dems have been trying to get a good SS/ID card forever. And to get higher wages...Blaming them for this mess is amazing big lie stuff...

Higher wages only happens when unions threaten companies to overpay workers, government increases the minimum wage which is a tax on everybody, or supply and demand. The latter the most natural way for wages to increase.

Too much supply and not enough demand, prices lower. Too little supply and high demand, prices increase.

As long as Democrats keep bringing in these foreigners, there will never be a situation of too little supply, because we have an endless supply right on that southern border.

Higher wages happen when Pubs aren't obstructing fairness, dupe.

Pass the Lindsay Graham Immigration Bill with a good SS/ID card and END THIS PUB MESS.

I have a better idea: create a law that states anybody caught here illegally faces a minimum sentence of 5 years in prison. They will rush that border like there is a pile of money on the other side. No fence, no more money spent on additional border patrol, problem solved.

Pew in 2007 found that 94% of adult male illegals worked, 65% paid taxes, and 35% own homes. Thanks GOP! The truth is the GOP just uses this and racist hate as a wedge issue during elections but LOVES the cheap labor, dupe. You can't toss 11 million people- 80% of the country knows it- then there are the ignorant hater dupes.

You wouldn't have to toss anybody if they would pass such a law. They would all leave on their own.

 

[beagle9]

Yes they should. Why would you ask that?

If no one has a right to health care, does that mean "no one" or actually some Americans do have a right? So if some Americans do have a right to health care then who decides and decides on what basis?

We're the only industrialized nation in the world which doesn't provide total health care for all it's citizens. We're also the only one with a thousand insurance companies.

We now have flights to Cuba, Venezuela , Somalia , any paradise you wish

..
Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out

Esther La Vista, Dude

So if some Americans have a right to health care and some do not, who should decide and on what basis?

As an American you have a right to life, liberty, property and to pursue happiness.

Under the old Constitution (1787-1935) Taxpayers and producers had no responsibility to provide them to you. You were responsible for procuring the same.

But the Constitution now in effect, FDR's Socialist Manifesto , the government can compel the citizens to do what the government believes is right. No right to judicial review.


.

. How can anyone here or there, stake a claim upon or actually have a right to life, if the person or person's put off available healthcare because at that moment in time (let's say that the person might be in a transitional period of somekind in life), where as they may actually put off the very thing that would guarantee his or her life if it weren't avoided, and they did so all because of a lack of healthcare or a lack of money ? How does one have a right to life, but are stereotyped or profiled as some sort of trash or scum all because one might have to go around to the ER back door, instead of walking into the front door with an appointment ? What is the quality of healthcare in the waiting lines of the ER ? I know of people dying right there in the ER, because the ER didn't know the person or their condition when walk in... How did they have a right to life in such a situation ?

 

[dblack]

If no one has a right to health care, does that mean "no one" or actually some Americans do have a right? So if some Americans do have a right to health care then who decides and decides on what basis?

We're the only industrialized nation in the world which doesn't provide total health care for all it's citizens. We're also the only one with a thousand insurance companies.

We now have flights to Cuba, Venezuela , Somalia , any paradise you wish

..
Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out

Esther La Vista, Dude

So if some Americans have a right to health care and some do not, who should decide and on what basis?

As an American you have a right to life, liberty, property and to pursue happiness.

Under the old Constitution (1787-1935) Taxpayers and producers had no responsibility to provide them to you. You were responsible for procuring the same.

But the Constitution now in effect, FDR's Socialist Manifesto , the government can compel the citizens to do what the government believes is right. No right to judicial review.


.

. How can anyone here or there, stake a claim upon or actually have a right to life, if the person or person's put off available healthcare because at that moment in time (let's say that the person might be in a transitional period of somekind in life), and therefore they may actually put off the very thing that would guarantee his or her life if were avoided, and they did so all because of a lack of healthcare or a lack of money ? How does one have a right to life, but are stereotyped or profiled as some sort of trash or scum because you might have to go around to the ER back door, instead of walking into the front door with an appointment ?

I'm not exactly sure what you're saying here, but this seems to be the same mismatch in definitions running through the entire thread. From what I'm reading, those of your supporting a "right" to healthcare, simply have a different idea of what it means for something to be a right. When you say that someone has a right to X, you're saying that someone else (usually government) is obligated to ensure they are empowered to get, or do, X. Does that sound correct to you? Am I missing something?

 

[beagle9]

Because we have 11 million illegals, they work, pay taxes, and own homes, and a fence is stupid and won't work. Only a good SS/ID card will, dupes. Pubs love cheap, easily bullied labor, and distract the dupes with wall bs and laws that only harass illegals. Ay caramba.

And Democrats are selling out America for votes while at the same time, allowing our wages to remain stagnant because of these illegals. Then when Americans fall on hard times, they blame the Republicans and the rich people instead of themselves.

BS, dupe. Dems have been trying to get a good SS/ID card forever. And to get higher wages...Blaming them for this mess is amazing big lie stuff...

Higher wages only happens when unions threaten companies to overpay workers, government increases the minimum wage which is a tax on everybody, or supply and demand. The latter the most natural way for wages to increase.

Too much supply and not enough demand, prices lower. Too little supply and high demand, prices increase.

As long as Democrats keep bringing in these foreigners, there will never be a situation of too little supply, because we have an endless supply right on that southern border.

Higher wages happen when Pubs aren't obstructing fairness, dupe.

Pass the Lindsay Graham Immigration Bill with a good SS/ID card and END THIS PUB MESS.

I have a better idea: create a law that states anybody caught here illegally faces a minimum sentence of 5 years in prison. They will rush that border like there is a pile of money on the other side. No fence, no more money spent on additional border patrol, problem solved.

. The problem with that Ray, is that there are those who you think are great Americans, but were caught up in the undermining of this country because they were utilizing illegal labor in a way that was causing an unhealthy balance in the American workforce. Americans were actually being shunned by companies who want to run their businesses like the Old Southern Plantations. Sick situation that destroy's the forward progress of a nation, but butters the bread of the select few.

 

[regent]

In 1798 or so Jefferson began advocating a free Virginia public education program. What is interesting is that Jefferson encountered cries from the upper class, as to why should they have to pay for educating other people's children. This beginning battle for health care for all may be a rerun of those early school years.
Public Education began to win in the 1830's,

 

[BlueGin]

145 IQ, Masters in History. You, masters in RW propaganda.

Your Masters are in food stamp scamming and getting HUD homes. Who are you trying to kid????

Retired teacher and businessman, brainwashed functional moron.

Yeah, you sure write like one.

He writes more like a sock... Posting gibberish to keep post count up.

 

[beagle9]

We're the only industrialized nation in the world which doesn't provide total health care for all it's citizens. We're also the only one with a thousand insurance companies.

We now have flights to Cuba, Venezuela , Somalia , any paradise you wish

..
Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out

Esther La Vista, Dude

So if some Americans have a right to health care and some do not, who should decide and on what basis?

As an American you have a right to life, liberty, property and to pursue happiness.

Under the old Constitution (1787-1935) Taxpayers and producers had no responsibility to provide them to you. You were responsible for procuring the same.

But the Constitution now in effect, FDR's Socialist Manifesto , the government can compel the citizens to do what the government believes is right. No right to judicial review.


.

. How can anyone here or there, stake a claim upon or actually have a right to life, if the person or person's put off available healthcare because at that moment in time (let's say that the person might be in a transitional period of somekind in life), and therefore they may actually put off the very thing that would guarantee his or her life if were avoided, and they did so all because of a lack of healthcare or a lack of money ? How does one have a right to life, but are stereotyped or profiled as some sort of trash or scum because you might have to go around to the ER back door, instead of walking into the front door with an appointment ?

I'm not exactly sure what you're saying here, but this seems to be the same mismatch in definitions running through the entire thread. From what I'm reading, those of your supporting a "right" to healthcare, simply have a different idea of what it means for something to be a right. When you say that someone has a right to X, you're saying that someone else (usually government) is obligated to ensure they are empowered to get, or do, X. Does that sound correct to you? Am I missing something?

. Read it again, because I made a few word corrections... I have to proof read again, and then edit my post, but you people are fast... LOL

 

[Uncensored2008]

So name a power the national government had before the Constitution went into effect.

To raise and field an army.

Did you flunk American History?

 

[Uncensored2008]

He writes more like a sock... Posting gibberish to keep post count up.

Franco hater dupe bot? He is an artificial stupidity routine attached to a piece of malware that infected this site, initially released by ThinkProgress.

 

[beagle9]

Should all veterans have health care?

Yes they should. Why would you ask that?

If no one has a right to health care, does that mean "no one" or actually some Americans do have a right? So if some Americans do have a right to health care then who decides and decides on what basis?

It's not a right, it's a benefit for joining our military to fight for our country. It's no different than retirement plans or healthcare after retirement if you worked for a company that had those provisions.

So should all Americans get health care benefits for being an American?

Not for being an American. For serving our country, yes. It was promised to them when they signed up. It's one of several benefits we offer to our solders for giving a part of their life to us. We owe it to them.

. Anyone who works in this nation to make it great, is giving their lives for it... It includes all Americans along with the military as well.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

In 1798 or so Jefferson began advocating a free Virginia public education program. What is interesting is that Jefferson encountered cries from the upper class, as to why should they have to pay for educating other people's children. This beginning battle for health care for all may be a rerun of those early school years.
Public Education began to win in the 1830's,

The problem is if you want to know what public education was, dig up some clips from Spanky and Our Gang when they were in school. That's what school is supposed to be.

Today, schools have basketball courts that we pay for, football fields, school busses, free and discounted lunches, all teachers are college educated with a union that guarantees them a job regardless of their performance.

I don't think anybody ever pictured that schools like these should be funded by the taxpayers, speaking of which, over half of my property taxes go to support our local schools. That's a big chunk of change.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Anyone who works in this nation to make it great, is giving their lives for it... It includes all Americans along with the military as well.

Especially clerks at the DMV, Comrade.

 

[beagle9]

In 1798 or so Jefferson began advocating a free Virginia public education program. What is interesting is that Jefferson encountered cries from the upper class, as to why should they have to pay for educating other people's children. This beginning battle for health care for all may be a rerun of those early school years.
Public Education began to win in the 1830's,

The problem is if you want to know what public education was, dig up some clips from Spanky and Our Gang when they were in school. That's what school is supposed to be.

Today, schools have basketball courts that we pay for, football fields, school busses, free and discounted lunches, all teachers are college educated with a union that guarantees them a job regardless of their performance.

I don't think anybody ever pictured that schools like these should be funded by the taxpayers, speaking of which, over half of my property taxes go to support our local schools. That's a big chunk of change.

. Wow, you think we should still be like the 1930's Ray ?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Yes they should. Why would you ask that?

If no one has a right to health care, does that mean "no one" or actually some Americans do have a right? So if some Americans do have a right to health care then who decides and decides on what basis?

It's not a right, it's a benefit for joining our military to fight for our country. It's no different than retirement plans or healthcare after retirement if you worked for a company that had those provisions.

So should all Americans get health care benefits for being an American?

Not for being an American. For serving our country, yes. It was promised to them when they signed up. It's one of several benefits we offer to our solders for giving a part of their life to us. We owe it to them.

. Anyone who works in this nation to make it great, is giving their lives for it... It includes all Americans along with the military as well.

That's the problem, not everybody is working to make our nation great. Having an Obama phone that I pay for through my cell phone bill is not making this nation great. 45 million Americans on food stamps are not making this nation great. Welfare and HUD people are not making this nation great. 93 million Americans of working age that are no longer looking for work are not making this nation great.

Military people are special and they signed up for those benefits. I don't recall anybody giving me free healthcare when I was born here.

 

[beagle9]

Anyone who works in this nation to make it great, is giving their lives for it... It includes all Americans along with the military as well.

Especially clerks at the DMV, Comrade.

. Huh?