New Zealand: First They Took Their Guns.....Now They're Removing Jesus From Their Lives

[anynameyouwish]

Good the sooner Christians realize there are other religions, the better.

Penny I'm curious: are you married to a Muslim? Or have you just been indoctrinated that deeply into liberal orthodoxy?

Because you seriously ought to think about whether it would be better for you to live in a conservative Christian community or a conservative Muslim one.

You ever really pondered that, Penny?

I support Separation of Church and State just like Thomas Jefferson as well as most of the founders.

You realize it's not even in the Constitution. What "separation of Church and State" means is that there is no State religion, which I very much support. It does not mean that individual citizens cannot express their religious beliefs, even at public functions if they so choose.

Do you not understand the separation of church and state, means in the government offices no reference to any specific religion should be mentioned, or even to a God in my opinion. Yes its in the Constitution , freedom of religion.

I do not want to be ruled by any zealot religion from Evangelicals, the many numerous Christian sects, or Islam zealots. The Evangelicals and Fundamentalists are the worst of the Christians Sects.

20 Commandments of Mohammad the founder of Islam
1. Thou shall Rape, Marry, and Divorce Pre-pubescent Girls. Koran 65:4
2. Thou shall have Sex Slaves and Work Slaves. Koran 4:3, 4:24, 5:89, 33:50, 58:3, 70:30
3. Thou shall Beat Sex Slaves, Work Slaves, and Wives. Koran 4:34
4. Thou shall have 4 Muslim male witnesses to prove rape. Koran 24:13
5. Thou shall Kill those who insult Islam or Mohammed. Koran 33:57
6. Thou shall Crucify and Amputate non-Muslims. Koran 8:12, 47:4
7. Thou shall Kill non-Muslims to guarantee receiving 72 virgins in heaven. Koran 9:111
8. Thou shall Kill anyone who leaves Islam. Koran 2:217, 4:89
9. Thou shall Behead non-Muslims. Koran 8:12, 47:4
10. Thou shall Kill AND be Killed for Islamic Allah. Koran 9:5
11. Thou shall Terrorize non-Muslims. Koran 8:12, 8:60
12. Thou shall Steal and Rob from non-Muslims. Koran Chapter 8 (Booty/Spoils of War)
13. Thou shall Lie to Strengthen Islam. Koran 3:28, 16:106
14. Thou shall Fight non-Muslim even if you don't want to. Koran 2:216
15. Thou shall not take non-Muslims as friends. Koran 5:51
16. Thou shall Call non-Muslims Pigs and Apes. Koran 5:60, 7:166, 16:106
17. Thou shall Treat non-Muslims as the vilest creatures deserving no mercy. Koran 98:6
18. Thou shall Treat non-Muslims as sworn enemies. Koran 4:101
19. Thou shall Kill non-Muslims for not converting to Islam. Koran 9:29
20. Thou shall Extort non-Muslims to keep Islam strong. Koran 9:29.

One can certainly make a case that ISLAM is WORSE than christianity but
that doesn't make christianity GOOD!

one could easily (and it has been done so I won't bother now) pull passages from the bible that are just as vile

proslavery
killing unbelievers
women submit to husbands

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

The Left Wingers want you to submit to the government.
The Jihadists want you to submit to Islam.
Maybe the reason why the Left and the Islamist admire each other so much is because they are both "submission" philosophies.

you forgot rightwingers (on purpose?)

who want you to be forced to bow to their god

so
why did you ignore the christians who ALSO have a "submission" policy?

do you have an agenda?

are you biased?

Christians are not a problem.

 

[pismoe]

The Left Wingers want you to submit to the government.
The Jihadists want you to submit to Islam.
Maybe the reason why the Left and the Islamist admire each other so much is because they are both "submission" philosophies.

you forgot rightwingers (on purpose?)

who want you to be forced to bow to their god

so
why did you ignore the christians who ALSO have a "submission" policy?

do you have an agenda?

are you biased?

--------------------------------------- there is NO Enforcement or FORCED Bowing to a Christian God in the USA or most of the Western World . Course in 'islam' they will Enforce by lashes , cutting off of hands , beheadings , stonings and teaching 'gays' to fly plus stonings AnyN !!

 

[Rustic]

Good the sooner Christians realize there are other religions, the better.

Lol
Christianity is not a religion, it’s a faith...
You fucking retard

This was a no mans land when Euros came across the pond and it is one again now.
Artifacts prove that the first people here were the Scandinavians, not the Asians aka Eskimos who came across the frozen Steppes and later clashed with the S.American Spainards who intermarried with each other and the blacks brought over by Spain. And of course a little later the French. Spain was killing the heck out of the new occupying others long before other Europeans came here. Also brought in most of the slaves.

History is not a bad thing to learn but it is also not good in the land of denial.
Truth is very inconvienant in a land of fables and lies.

Lol
The original slave owners on this continent where my ancestors, American Indians....

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

One thing in this thread (and most other threads) seems obvious, those against Christianity too often seem to usually be the same ones applauding the demise of the USA and the Constitution, but all FOR open borders, Socialism etc etc etc.

Guess they had it "too good" and yearn for less.....or....they are the "Domestic Enemy" we've all heard of?

 

[Rustic]

Penny I'm curious: are you married to a Muslim? Or have you just been indoctrinated that deeply into liberal orthodoxy?

Because you seriously ought to think about whether it would be better for you to live in a conservative Christian community or a conservative Muslim one.

You ever really pondered that, Penny?

I support Separation of Church and State just like Thomas Jefferson as well as most of the founders.

You realize it's not even in the Constitution. What "separation of Church and State" means is that there is no State religion, which I very much support. It does not mean that individual citizens cannot express their religious beliefs, even at public functions if they so choose.

Do you not understand the separation of church and state, means in the government offices no reference to any specific religion should be mentioned, or even to a God in my opinion. Yes its in the Constitution , freedom of religion.

I do not want to be ruled by any zealot religion from Evangelicals, the many numerous Christian sects, or Islam zealots. The Evangelicals and Fundamentalists are the worst of the Christians Sects.

20 Commandments of Mohammad the founder of Islam
1. Thou shall Rape, Marry, and Divorce Pre-pubescent Girls. Koran 65:4
2. Thou shall have Sex Slaves and Work Slaves. Koran 4:3, 4:24, 5:89, 33:50, 58:3, 70:30
3. Thou shall Beat Sex Slaves, Work Slaves, and Wives. Koran 4:34
4. Thou shall have 4 Muslim male witnesses to prove rape. Koran 24:13
5. Thou shall Kill those who insult Islam or Mohammed. Koran 33:57
6. Thou shall Crucify and Amputate non-Muslims. Koran 8:12, 47:4
7. Thou shall Kill non-Muslims to guarantee receiving 72 virgins in heaven. Koran 9:111
8. Thou shall Kill anyone who leaves Islam. Koran 2:217, 4:89
9. Thou shall Behead non-Muslims. Koran 8:12, 47:4
10. Thou shall Kill AND be Killed for Islamic Allah. Koran 9:5
11. Thou shall Terrorize non-Muslims. Koran 8:12, 8:60
12. Thou shall Steal and Rob from non-Muslims. Koran Chapter 8 (Booty/Spoils of War)
13. Thou shall Lie to Strengthen Islam. Koran 3:28, 16:106
14. Thou shall Fight non-Muslim even if you don't want to. Koran 2:216
15. Thou shall not take non-Muslims as friends. Koran 5:51
16. Thou shall Call non-Muslims Pigs and Apes. Koran 5:60, 7:166, 16:106
17. Thou shall Treat non-Muslims as the vilest creatures deserving no mercy. Koran 98:6
18. Thou shall Treat non-Muslims as sworn enemies. Koran 4:101
19. Thou shall Kill non-Muslims for not converting to Islam. Koran 9:29
20. Thou shall Extort non-Muslims to keep Islam strong. Koran 9:29.

One can certainly make a case that ISLAM is WORSE than christianity but
that doesn't make christianity GOOD!

one could easily (and it has been done so I won't bother now) pull passages from the bible that are just as vile

proslavery
killing unbelievers
women submit to husbands

Lol
Show us where Jesus said such things?
Compare Jesus to Mohammed… You can’t get any more different

 

[pismoe]

One thing in this thread (and most other threads) seems obvious, those against Christianity too often seem to usually be the same ones applauding the demise of the USA and the Constitution, but all FOR open borders, Socialism etc etc etc.

Guess they had it "too good" and yearn for less.....or....they are the "Domestic Enemy" we've all heard of?

------------------------------------------------ yep , ALL are 'fifth columnists' and USA Government is importing more of them everyday Basic .

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

20 Commandments of Mohammad the founder of Islam
1. Thou shall Rape, Marry, and Divorce Pre-pubescent Girls. Koran 65:4
2. Thou shall have Sex Slaves and Work Slaves. Koran 4:3, 4:24, 5:89, 33:50, 58:3, 70:30
3. Thou shall Beat Sex Slaves, Work Slaves, and Wives. Koran 4:34
4. Thou shall have 4 Muslim male witnesses to prove rape. Koran 24:13
5. Thou shall Kill those who insult Islam or Mohammed. Koran 33:57
6. Thou shall Crucify and Amputate non-Muslims. Koran 8:12, 47:4
7. Thou shall Kill non-Muslims to guarantee receiving 72 virgins in heaven. Koran 9:111
8. Thou shall Kill anyone who leaves Islam. Koran 2:217, 4:89
9. Thou shall Behead non-Muslims. Koran 8:12, 47:4
10. Thou shall Kill AND be Killed for Islamic Allah. Koran 9:5
11. Thou shall Terrorize non-Muslims. Koran 8:12, 8:60
12. Thou shall Steal and Rob from non-Muslims. Koran Chapter 8 (Booty/Spoils of War)
13. Thou shall Lie to Strengthen Islam. Koran 3:28, 16:106
14. Thou shall Fight non-Muslim even if you don't want to. Koran 2:216
15. Thou shall not take non-Muslims as friends. Koran 5:51
16. Thou shall Call non-Muslims Pigs and Apes. Koran 5:60, 7:166, 16:106
17. Thou shall Treat non-Muslims as the vilest creatures deserving no mercy. Koran 98:6
18. Thou shall Treat non-Muslims as sworn enemies. Koran 4:101
19. Thou shall Kill non-Muslims for not converting to Islam. Koran 9:29
20. Thou shall Extort non-Muslims to keep Islam strong. Koran 9:29.

Show us where Jesus said such things?
Compare Jesus to Mohammed… You can’t get any more different

From the Quran....

• [Quran 2:228] The divorced women shall wait for three menstruations (before marrying another man). It is not lawful for them to conceal what GOD creates in their wombs if they believe in GOD and the Last Day. (In case of pregnancy,) the husband's wishes shall supersede the wife's wishes if he wants to remarry her. The women have rights, as well as obligations, equitably. Thus, the man's wishes prevail (in case of pregnancy). GOD is Almighty, Most Wise.
• [Quran 65:4-5] As for the women who have reached menopause, if you have any doubts, their interim shall be three months. As for those who do not menstruate, and discover that they are pregnant, their interim ends upon giving birth. Anyone who reverences GOD, He makes everything easy for him. This is GOD's command that He sends down to you. Anyone who reverences GOD, He remits his sins and rewards him generously.

So clearly the Quran states that MEN (not women) have total control over their pregnancy .
65:4-5 "seems" to imply that the "taking" of women for the purpose of impregnating, is "made easy for them". Hmmmm.....what does that mean?

 

[whoisit]

Good the sooner Christians realize there are other religions, the better.

Penny I'm curious: are you married to a Muslim? Or have you just been indoctrinated that deeply into liberal orthodoxy?

Because you seriously ought to think about whether it would be better for you to live in a conservative Christian community or a conservative Muslim one.

You ever really pondered that, Penny?

I support Separation of Church and State just like Thomas Jefferson as well as most of the founders.

You realize it's not even in the Constitution. What "separation of Church and State" means is that there is no State religion, which I very much support. It does not mean that individual citizens cannot express their religious beliefs, even at public functions if they so choose.

Do you not understand the separation of church and state, means in the government offices no reference to any specific religion should be mentioned, or even to a God in my opinion. Yes its in the Constitution , freedom of religion.

I do not want to be ruled by any zealot religion from Evangelicals, the many numerous Christian sects, or Islam zealots. The Evangelicals and Fundamentalists are the worst of the Christians Sects.

20 Commandments of Mohammad the founder of Islam
1. Thou shall Rape, Marry, and Divorce Pre-pubescent Girls. Koran 65:4
2. Thou shall have Sex Slaves and Work Slaves. Koran 4:3, 4:24, 5:89, 33:50, 58:3, 70:30
3. Thou shall Beat Sex Slaves, Work Slaves, and Wives. Koran 4:34
4. Thou shall have 4 Muslim male witnesses to prove rape. Koran 24:13
5. Thou shall Kill those who insult Islam or Mohammed. Koran 33:57
6. Thou shall Crucify and Amputate non-Muslims. Koran 8:12, 47:4
7. Thou shall Kill non-Muslims to guarantee receiving 72 virgins in heaven. Koran 9:111
8. Thou shall Kill anyone who leaves Islam. Koran 2:217, 4:89
9. Thou shall Behead non-Muslims. Koran 8:12, 47:4
10. Thou shall Kill AND be Killed for Islamic Allah. Koran 9:5
11. Thou shall Terrorize non-Muslims. Koran 8:12, 8:60
12. Thou shall Steal and Rob from non-Muslims. Koran Chapter 8 (Booty/Spoils of War)
13. Thou shall Lie to Strengthen Islam. Koran 3:28, 16:106
14. Thou shall Fight non-Muslim even if you don't want to. Koran 2:216
15. Thou shall not take non-Muslims as friends. Koran 5:51
16. Thou shall Call non-Muslims Pigs and Apes. Koran 5:60, 7:166, 16:106
17. Thou shall Treat non-Muslims as the vilest creatures deserving no mercy. Koran 98:6
18. Thou shall Treat non-Muslims as sworn enemies. Koran 4:101
19. Thou shall Kill non-Muslims for not converting to Islam. Koran 9:29
20. Thou shall Extort non-Muslims to keep Islam strong. Koran 9:29.

Although this is true the New Testament is full of the same kind of prejudice and violence. But after a 4000 years they left it or put it in hiding. So maybe in another few thousand years Islam will change too?
Then we have the Catholic Crusaders and Inquisition.
The only religion that calls fro peace is The New Testament and maybe Hindu? Not sure.
All mankind is not kind.
First born man was a murderer,Cain. I just say my prayers and hope fro the best.

 

[Rustic]

Penny I'm curious: are you married to a Muslim? Or have you just been indoctrinated that deeply into liberal orthodoxy?

Because you seriously ought to think about whether it would be better for you to live in a conservative Christian community or a conservative Muslim one.

You ever really pondered that, Penny?

I support Separation of Church and State just like Thomas Jefferson as well as most of the founders.

You realize it's not even in the Constitution. What "separation of Church and State" means is that there is no State religion, which I very much support. It does not mean that individual citizens cannot express their religious beliefs, even at public functions if they so choose.

Do you not understand the separation of church and state, means in the government offices no reference to any specific religion should be mentioned, or even to a God in my opinion. Yes its in the Constitution , freedom of religion.

I do not want to be ruled by any zealot religion from Evangelicals, the many numerous Christian sects, or Islam zealots. The Evangelicals and Fundamentalists are the worst of the Christians Sects.

20 Commandments of Mohammad the founder of Islam
1. Thou shall Rape, Marry, and Divorce Pre-pubescent Girls. Koran 65:4
2. Thou shall have Sex Slaves and Work Slaves. Koran 4:3, 4:24, 5:89, 33:50, 58:3, 70:30
3. Thou shall Beat Sex Slaves, Work Slaves, and Wives. Koran 4:34
4. Thou shall have 4 Muslim male witnesses to prove rape. Koran 24:13
5. Thou shall Kill those who insult Islam or Mohammed. Koran 33:57
6. Thou shall Crucify and Amputate non-Muslims. Koran 8:12, 47:4
7. Thou shall Kill non-Muslims to guarantee receiving 72 virgins in heaven. Koran 9:111
8. Thou shall Kill anyone who leaves Islam. Koran 2:217, 4:89
9. Thou shall Behead non-Muslims. Koran 8:12, 47:4
10. Thou shall Kill AND be Killed for Islamic Allah. Koran 9:5
11. Thou shall Terrorize non-Muslims. Koran 8:12, 8:60
12. Thou shall Steal and Rob from non-Muslims. Koran Chapter 8 (Booty/Spoils of War)
13. Thou shall Lie to Strengthen Islam. Koran 3:28, 16:106
14. Thou shall Fight non-Muslim even if you don't want to. Koran 2:216
15. Thou shall not take non-Muslims as friends. Koran 5:51
16. Thou shall Call non-Muslims Pigs and Apes. Koran 5:60, 7:166, 16:106
17. Thou shall Treat non-Muslims as the vilest creatures deserving no mercy. Koran 98:6
18. Thou shall Treat non-Muslims as sworn enemies. Koran 4:101
19. Thou shall Kill non-Muslims for not converting to Islam. Koran 9:29
20. Thou shall Extort non-Muslims to keep Islam strong. Koran 9:29.

Although this is true the New Testament is full of the same kind of prejudice and violence. But after a 4000 years they left it or put it in hiding. So maybe in another few thousand years Islam will change too?
Then we have the Catholic Crusaders and Inquisition.
The only religion that calls fro peace is The New Testament and maybe Hindu? Not sure.
All mankind is not kind.
First born man was a murderer,Cain. I just say my prayers and hope fro the best.

The Catholics church represent Catholics and only the Catholic Church, they have Nothing to do with Christianity.
Answer the question, where does Jesus demand any violence or bad behavior at all?

 

[whoisit]

Penny I'm curious: are you married to a Muslim? Or have you just been indoctrinated that deeply into liberal orthodoxy?

Because you seriously ought to think about whether it would be better for you to live in a conservative Christian community or a conservative Muslim one.

You ever really pondered that, Penny?

I support Separation of Church and State just like Thomas Jefferson as well as most of the founders.

You realize it's not even in the Constitution. What "separation of Church and State" means is that there is no State religion, which I very much support. It does not mean that individual citizens cannot express their religious beliefs, even at public functions if they so choose.

Do you not understand the separation of church and state, means in the government offices no reference to any specific religion should be mentioned, or even to a God in my opinion. Yes its in the Constitution , freedom of religion.

I do not want to be ruled by any zealot religion from Evangelicals, the many numerous Christian sects, or Islam zealots. The Evangelicals and Fundamentalists are the worst of the Christians Sects.

20 Commandments of Mohammad the founder of Islam
1. Thou shall Rape, Marry, and Divorce Pre-pubescent Girls. Koran 65:4
2. Thou shall have Sex Slaves and Work Slaves. Koran 4:3, 4:24, 5:89, 33:50, 58:3, 70:30
3. Thou shall Beat Sex Slaves, Work Slaves, and Wives. Koran 4:34
4. Thou shall have 4 Muslim male witnesses to prove rape. Koran 24:13
5. Thou shall Kill those who insult Islam or Mohammed. Koran 33:57
6. Thou shall Crucify and Amputate non-Muslims. Koran 8:12, 47:4
7. Thou shall Kill non-Muslims to guarantee receiving 72 virgins in heaven. Koran 9:111
8. Thou shall Kill anyone who leaves Islam. Koran 2:217, 4:89
9. Thou shall Behead non-Muslims. Koran 8:12, 47:4
10. Thou shall Kill AND be Killed for Islamic Allah. Koran 9:5
11. Thou shall Terrorize non-Muslims. Koran 8:12, 8:60
12. Thou shall Steal and Rob from non-Muslims. Koran Chapter 8 (Booty/Spoils of War)
13. Thou shall Lie to Strengthen Islam. Koran 3:28, 16:106
14. Thou shall Fight non-Muslim even if you don't want to. Koran 2:216
15. Thou shall not take non-Muslims as friends. Koran 5:51
16. Thou shall Call non-Muslims Pigs and Apes. Koran 5:60, 7:166, 16:106
17. Thou shall Treat non-Muslims as the vilest creatures deserving no mercy. Koran 98:6
18. Thou shall Treat non-Muslims as sworn enemies. Koran 4:101
19. Thou shall Kill non-Muslims for not converting to Islam. Koran 9:29
20. Thou shall Extort non-Muslims to keep Islam strong. Koran 9:29.

One can certainly make a case that ISLAM is WORSE than christianity but
that doesn't make christianity GOOD!

one could easily (and it has been done so I won't bother now) pull passages from the bible that are just as vile

proslavery
killing unbelievers
women submit to husbands

Show us ONE quote in The New Testament that calls for violence, forced submission, forced marriage, beating, honor killing or abuse of women, you can't because there isn't one.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Awwww. How sad! Christians don't get special mention in their secular government's convocation.

Will they survive this heavy hand of oppression?

About 48% of the nation is Christian, by far the largest of any religious group in New Zealand.
Those references to Jesus were removed by one person without any consultation and is a slap in the face to nearly half the nation.

"Another demonstrator, Carmel Morgan, said Mallard should have consulted with New Zealanders or announced a referendum before changing the prayer.

"This is a land of democracy, this is a land of freedom, you know, we want to be a first world country... he took that choice away from us."

It looks like you are a fan of dictatorships and authoritarian rule. Most leftist pricks are.

 

[anynameyouwish]

I support Separation of Church and State just like Thomas Jefferson as well as most of the founders.

You realize it's not even in the Constitution. What "separation of Church and State" means is that there is no State religion, which I very much support. It does not mean that individual citizens cannot express their religious beliefs, even at public functions if they so choose.

Do you not understand the separation of church and state, means in the government offices no reference to any specific religion should be mentioned, or even to a God in my opinion. Yes its in the Constitution , freedom of religion.

I do not want to be ruled by any zealot religion from Evangelicals, the many numerous Christian sects, or Islam zealots. The Evangelicals and Fundamentalists are the worst of the Christians Sects.

20 Commandments of Mohammad the founder of Islam
1. Thou shall Rape, Marry, and Divorce Pre-pubescent Girls. Koran 65:4
2. Thou shall have Sex Slaves and Work Slaves. Koran 4:3, 4:24, 5:89, 33:50, 58:3, 70:30
3. Thou shall Beat Sex Slaves, Work Slaves, and Wives. Koran 4:34
4. Thou shall have 4 Muslim male witnesses to prove rape. Koran 24:13
5. Thou shall Kill those who insult Islam or Mohammed. Koran 33:57
6. Thou shall Crucify and Amputate non-Muslims. Koran 8:12, 47:4
7. Thou shall Kill non-Muslims to guarantee receiving 72 virgins in heaven. Koran 9:111
8. Thou shall Kill anyone who leaves Islam. Koran 2:217, 4:89
9. Thou shall Behead non-Muslims. Koran 8:12, 47:4
10. Thou shall Kill AND be Killed for Islamic Allah. Koran 9:5
11. Thou shall Terrorize non-Muslims. Koran 8:12, 8:60
12. Thou shall Steal and Rob from non-Muslims. Koran Chapter 8 (Booty/Spoils of War)
13. Thou shall Lie to Strengthen Islam. Koran 3:28, 16:106
14. Thou shall Fight non-Muslim even if you don't want to. Koran 2:216
15. Thou shall not take non-Muslims as friends. Koran 5:51
16. Thou shall Call non-Muslims Pigs and Apes. Koran 5:60, 7:166, 16:106
17. Thou shall Treat non-Muslims as the vilest creatures deserving no mercy. Koran 98:6
18. Thou shall Treat non-Muslims as sworn enemies. Koran 4:101
19. Thou shall Kill non-Muslims for not converting to Islam. Koran 9:29
20. Thou shall Extort non-Muslims to keep Islam strong. Koran 9:29.

One can certainly make a case that ISLAM is WORSE than christianity but
that doesn't make christianity GOOD!

one could easily (and it has been done so I won't bother now) pull passages from the bible that are just as vile

proslavery
killing unbelievers
women submit to husbands

Lol
Show us where Jesus said such things?
Compare Jesus to Mohammed… You can’t get any more different

if we are only comparing JESUS to MOHAMMED then I agree with you.

But the OP was OBVIOUSLY referencing the KORAN and the COMMANDMENTS?

Jesus didn't compose the 10 christian commandments,

God (supposedly) did.

I'll accept that jesus was MUCH better than mohammed but i contend that the god of the bible wasn't much better than the god of the koran.

 

[whoisit]

Penny I'm curious: are you married to a Muslim? Or have you just been indoctrinated that deeply into liberal orthodoxy?

Because you seriously ought to think about whether it would be better for you to live in a conservative Christian community or a conservative Muslim one.

You ever really pondered that, Penny?

I support Separation of Church and State just like Thomas Jefferson as well as most of the founders.

You realize it's not even in the Constitution. What "separation of Church and State" means is that there is no State religion, which I very much support. It does not mean that individual citizens cannot express their religious beliefs, even at public functions if they so choose.

Do you not understand the separation of church and state, means in the government offices no reference to any specific religion should be mentioned, or even to a God in my opinion. Yes its in the Constitution , freedom of religion.

I do not want to be ruled by any zealot religion from Evangelicals, the many numerous Christian sects, or Islam zealots. The Evangelicals and Fundamentalists are the worst of the Christians Sects.

20 Commandments of Mohammad the founder of Islam
1. Thou shall Rape, Marry, and Divorce Pre-pubescent Girls. Koran 65:4
2. Thou shall have Sex Slaves and Work Slaves. Koran 4:3, 4:24, 5:89, 33:50, 58:3, 70:30
3. Thou shall Beat Sex Slaves, Work Slaves, and Wives. Koran 4:34
4. Thou shall have 4 Muslim male witnesses to prove rape. Koran 24:13
5. Thou shall Kill those who insult Islam or Mohammed. Koran 33:57
6. Thou shall Crucify and Amputate non-Muslims. Koran 8:12, 47:4
7. Thou shall Kill non-Muslims to guarantee receiving 72 virgins in heaven. Koran 9:111
8. Thou shall Kill anyone who leaves Islam. Koran 2:217, 4:89
9. Thou shall Behead non-Muslims. Koran 8:12, 47:4
10. Thou shall Kill AND be Killed for Islamic Allah. Koran 9:5
11. Thou shall Terrorize non-Muslims. Koran 8:12, 8:60
12. Thou shall Steal and Rob from non-Muslims. Koran Chapter 8 (Booty/Spoils of War)
13. Thou shall Lie to Strengthen Islam. Koran 3:28, 16:106
14. Thou shall Fight non-Muslim even if you don't want to. Koran 2:216
15. Thou shall not take non-Muslims as friends. Koran 5:51
16. Thou shall Call non-Muslims Pigs and Apes. Koran 5:60, 7:166, 16:106
17. Thou shall Treat non-Muslims as the vilest creatures deserving no mercy. Koran 98:6
18. Thou shall Treat non-Muslims as sworn enemies. Koran 4:101
19. Thou shall Kill non-Muslims for not converting to Islam. Koran 9:29
20. Thou shall Extort non-Muslims to keep Islam strong. Koran 9:29.

One can certainly make a case that ISLAM is WORSE than christianity but
that doesn't make christianity GOOD!

one could easily (and it has been done so I won't bother now) pull passages from the bible that are just as vile

proslavery
killing unbelievers
women submit to husbands

Looks like you know absolutely nothing about Christianity,
like most Christians who profess but don't study.

 

[anynameyouwish]

I support Separation of Church and State just like Thomas Jefferson as well as most of the founders.

You realize it's not even in the Constitution. What "separation of Church and State" means is that there is no State religion, which I very much support. It does not mean that individual citizens cannot express their religious beliefs, even at public functions if they so choose.

Do you not understand the separation of church and state, means in the government offices no reference to any specific religion should be mentioned, or even to a God in my opinion. Yes its in the Constitution , freedom of religion.

I do not want to be ruled by any zealot religion from Evangelicals, the many numerous Christian sects, or Islam zealots. The Evangelicals and Fundamentalists are the worst of the Christians Sects.

20 Commandments of Mohammad the founder of Islam
1. Thou shall Rape, Marry, and Divorce Pre-pubescent Girls. Koran 65:4
2. Thou shall have Sex Slaves and Work Slaves. Koran 4:3, 4:24, 5:89, 33:50, 58:3, 70:30
3. Thou shall Beat Sex Slaves, Work Slaves, and Wives. Koran 4:34
4. Thou shall have 4 Muslim male witnesses to prove rape. Koran 24:13
5. Thou shall Kill those who insult Islam or Mohammed. Koran 33:57
6. Thou shall Crucify and Amputate non-Muslims. Koran 8:12, 47:4
7. Thou shall Kill non-Muslims to guarantee receiving 72 virgins in heaven. Koran 9:111
8. Thou shall Kill anyone who leaves Islam. Koran 2:217, 4:89
9. Thou shall Behead non-Muslims. Koran 8:12, 47:4
10. Thou shall Kill AND be Killed for Islamic Allah. Koran 9:5
11. Thou shall Terrorize non-Muslims. Koran 8:12, 8:60
12. Thou shall Steal and Rob from non-Muslims. Koran Chapter 8 (Booty/Spoils of War)
13. Thou shall Lie to Strengthen Islam. Koran 3:28, 16:106
14. Thou shall Fight non-Muslim even if you don't want to. Koran 2:216
15. Thou shall not take non-Muslims as friends. Koran 5:51
16. Thou shall Call non-Muslims Pigs and Apes. Koran 5:60, 7:166, 16:106
17. Thou shall Treat non-Muslims as the vilest creatures deserving no mercy. Koran 98:6
18. Thou shall Treat non-Muslims as sworn enemies. Koran 4:101
19. Thou shall Kill non-Muslims for not converting to Islam. Koran 9:29
20. Thou shall Extort non-Muslims to keep Islam strong. Koran 9:29.

One can certainly make a case that ISLAM is WORSE than christianity but
that doesn't make christianity GOOD!

one could easily (and it has been done so I won't bother now) pull passages from the bible that are just as vile

proslavery
killing unbelievers
women submit to husbands

Show us ONE quote in The New Testament that calls for violence, forced submission, forced marriage, beating, honor killing or abuse of women, you can't because there isn't one.

I don't go ONLY by the NT. I use the same bible as fundamentalists; the OT.

THAT kind of stuff is all through the OT.

As long as evangelicals quote the OT I shall quote it, too.

 

[mudwhistle]

Yup......it's started.

New Zealand Christians Outraged as Govt Removes All References to Jesus From Parliamentary Prayer
03-30-2019
Steve Warren



Just barely two weeks following the mosque shootings in Christchurch, New Zealand, the government has decided to remove all references to Jesus Christ from its parliamentary prayer.

The move by Speaker of the House Trevor Mallard has angered the country's Christian population. Mallard made the decision in order to drop references to Jesus in order to make the prayer "more inclusive" for all parliamentarians.

The Guardian reports a reference to "Almighty God" remains, but it is not a specific reference to a Christian God.

Earlier this week, around 1,000 people protested just outside of the parliament building in Wellington. The group wanted Jesus name reinstated in the prayer because Christianity is part of the nation's history.

Ross Smith, the organizer of the event, told Radio NZ the country has a Christian heritage that should not be erased.

"It's a legacy. The principals and the values that are in this nation are based on our Christian-Judea roots. Removing the name would destroy those roots," he said.

"He needs a good kick in his pants, and he needs to actually be removed because this is a Christian nation," protester Rieki Teutscher told Radio NZ. We don't share his atheism."

Another demonstrator, Carmel Morgan, said Mallard should have consulted with New Zealanders or announced a referendum before changing the prayer.

"This is a land of democracy, this is a land of freedom, you know, we want to be a first world country... he took that choice away from us."

Other New Zealand politicians also voiced their concern over the change made by the speaker without consulting the entire parliament.

Well, the decision as to what should be changed should be made by parliamentarians and not the speaker – that's our position, I don't mind telling you publicly," deputy prime minister Winston Peters told RadioNZ.

"If you're going to make a change let's have parliament decide – not one person," Peters added.

Mallard said he had consulted other politicians and the majority he spoke to were in favor of a secular prayer.

One week after a white supremacist gunman opened fire inside two mosques, killing 50 people, the entire country observed a Muslim call to prayer. The event was televised nationwide. New Zealand Christians Outraged as Govt Removes All References to Jesus From Parliamentary Prayer​

Apparently New Zealand is a SECULAR country/government. They NEVER had a formal religion. And they kept a vague reference to "god" (as in any god) in the prayer. The removal of jesus was merely to make the prayer more inclusive for ALL New Zealanders .

----------------------------------------- the purpose of the removal of the name was purposely done as a Poke in the EYE to Christians AnyN .

The purpose of KEEPING jesus is 2 fold;

1. a slap in the face of every NONchristian.

2. to justify christian sharia law

How did "Turn the other cheek" become "Rub it in their faces"????

Christianity is not based on laws that were created hundreds of years after the death of Christ.
Your problem is you believe all of the anti-Christian propaganda generated by the media at the direction of Communists and Islamic Fundamentalists.

 

[Rustic]

You realize it's not even in the Constitution. What "separation of Church and State" means is that there is no State religion, which I very much support. It does not mean that individual citizens cannot express their religious beliefs, even at public functions if they so choose.

Do you not understand the separation of church and state, means in the government offices no reference to any specific religion should be mentioned, or even to a God in my opinion. Yes its in the Constitution , freedom of religion.

I do not want to be ruled by any zealot religion from Evangelicals, the many numerous Christian sects, or Islam zealots. The Evangelicals and Fundamentalists are the worst of the Christians Sects.

20 Commandments of Mohammad the founder of Islam
1. Thou shall Rape, Marry, and Divorce Pre-pubescent Girls. Koran 65:4
2. Thou shall have Sex Slaves and Work Slaves. Koran 4:3, 4:24, 5:89, 33:50, 58:3, 70:30
3. Thou shall Beat Sex Slaves, Work Slaves, and Wives. Koran 4:34
4. Thou shall have 4 Muslim male witnesses to prove rape. Koran 24:13
5. Thou shall Kill those who insult Islam or Mohammed. Koran 33:57
6. Thou shall Crucify and Amputate non-Muslims. Koran 8:12, 47:4
7. Thou shall Kill non-Muslims to guarantee receiving 72 virgins in heaven. Koran 9:111
8. Thou shall Kill anyone who leaves Islam. Koran 2:217, 4:89
9. Thou shall Behead non-Muslims. Koran 8:12, 47:4
10. Thou shall Kill AND be Killed for Islamic Allah. Koran 9:5
11. Thou shall Terrorize non-Muslims. Koran 8:12, 8:60
12. Thou shall Steal and Rob from non-Muslims. Koran Chapter 8 (Booty/Spoils of War)
13. Thou shall Lie to Strengthen Islam. Koran 3:28, 16:106
14. Thou shall Fight non-Muslim even if you don't want to. Koran 2:216
15. Thou shall not take non-Muslims as friends. Koran 5:51
16. Thou shall Call non-Muslims Pigs and Apes. Koran 5:60, 7:166, 16:106
17. Thou shall Treat non-Muslims as the vilest creatures deserving no mercy. Koran 98:6
18. Thou shall Treat non-Muslims as sworn enemies. Koran 4:101
19. Thou shall Kill non-Muslims for not converting to Islam. Koran 9:29
20. Thou shall Extort non-Muslims to keep Islam strong. Koran 9:29.

One can certainly make a case that ISLAM is WORSE than christianity but
that doesn't make christianity GOOD!

one could easily (and it has been done so I won't bother now) pull passages from the bible that are just as vile

proslavery
killing unbelievers
women submit to husbands

Lol
Show us where Jesus said such things?
Compare Jesus to Mohammed… You can’t get any more different

if we are only comparing JESUS to MOHAMMED then I agree with you.

But the OP was OBVIOUSLY referencing the KORAN and the COMMANDMENTS?

Jesus didn't compose the 10 christian commandments,

God (supposedly) did.

I'll accept that jesus was MUCH better than mohammed but i contend that the god of the bible wasn't much better than the god of the koran.

Mohammed is God to Muslims...

Islam Is the most violent fucking cult the world has ever seen… Christianity is a faith not a religion

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

I don't go ONLY by the NT. I use the same bible as fundamentalists; the OT.

It THAT kind of stuff is all through the OT.

As long as evangelicals quote the OT I shall quote it, too.

I'm no biblical scholar but the entire New Testament was all about Jesus and his teachings creating a new covenant with God (formalized and sealed by his death on the cross) rejecting the eye for an eye ethos of the Old Testament.

So you can quote the OT, because you think it drags Christianity down to the level of fundamentalist Islam and creates some sort of parity between the two religions, all you like. Your ignorance of the issue dooms your attempts to failure and exposes you as a know nothing.

There is a reason why gays are stoned to death in Islam but not in Christian nations.

 

[whoisit]

Yup......it's started.

New Zealand Christians Outraged as Govt Removes All References to Jesus From Parliamentary Prayer
03-30-2019
Steve Warren



Just barely two weeks following the mosque shootings in Christchurch, New Zealand, the government has decided to remove all references to Jesus Christ from its parliamentary prayer.

The move by Speaker of the House Trevor Mallard has angered the country's Christian population. Mallard made the decision in order to drop references to Jesus in order to make the prayer "more inclusive" for all parliamentarians.

The Guardian reports a reference to "Almighty God" remains, but it is not a specific reference to a Christian God.

Earlier this week, around 1,000 people protested just outside of the parliament building in Wellington. The group wanted Jesus name reinstated in the prayer because Christianity is part of the nation's history.

Ross Smith, the organizer of the event, told Radio NZ the country has a Christian heritage that should not be erased.

"It's a legacy. The principals and the values that are in this nation are based on our Christian-Judea roots. Removing the name would destroy those roots," he said.

"He needs a good kick in his pants, and he needs to actually be removed because this is a Christian nation," protester Rieki Teutscher told Radio NZ. We don't share his atheism."

Another demonstrator, Carmel Morgan, said Mallard should have consulted with New Zealanders or announced a referendum before changing the prayer.

"This is a land of democracy, this is a land of freedom, you know, we want to be a first world country... he took that choice away from us."

Other New Zealand politicians also voiced their concern over the change made by the speaker without consulting the entire parliament.

Well, the decision as to what should be changed should be made by parliamentarians and not the speaker – that's our position, I don't mind telling you publicly," deputy prime minister Winston Peters told RadioNZ.

"If you're going to make a change let's have parliament decide – not one person," Peters added.

Mallard said he had consulted other politicians and the majority he spoke to were in favor of a secular prayer.

One week after a white supremacist gunman opened fire inside two mosques, killing 50 people, the entire country observed a Muslim call to prayer. The event was televised nationwide. New Zealand Christians Outraged as Govt Removes All References to Jesus From Parliamentary Prayer​

Apparently New Zealand is a SECULAR country/government. They NEVER had a formal religion. And they kept a vague reference to "god" (as in any god) in the prayer. The removal of jesus was merely to make the prayer more inclusive for ALL New Zealanders .

----------------------------------------- the purpose of the removal of the name was purposely done as a Poke in the EYE to Christians AnyN .

The purpose of KEEPING jesus is 2 fold;

1. a slap in the face of every NONchristian.

2. to justify christian sharia law

How did "Turn the other cheek" become "Rub it in their faces"????

Christianity is not based on laws that were created hundreds of years after the death of Christ.
Your problem is you believe all of the anti-Christian propaganda generated by the media at the direction of Communists and Islamic Fundamentalists.

Proof Islam was created by the Jesuits, nobody will take the time to learn of the subjects the are so quick to debate though.
For those who do it is frustrating and impossible to have a sensible conversation with the majority of people who involve themselves in any religious or political debates.

I AM NOT a member of this or any other church so no bias here.

 

[Penelope]

Good the sooner Christians realize there are other religions, the better.

Penny I'm curious: are you married to a Muslim? Or have you just been indoctrinated that deeply into liberal orthodoxy?

Because you seriously ought to think about whether it would be better for you to live in a conservative Christian community or a conservative Muslim one.

You ever really pondered that, Penny?

I support Separation of Church and State just like Thomas Jefferson as well as most of the founders.

Muslims are receiving special privileges and protections provided by all levels of government.

Too bad the Founding Fathers could not foresee what we are experiencing with the growing poisonous expansion of Islam.

If they had they would have seen the need for separation of mosque and state.

Actually its the Jews who want to run things in the US. Also the true Torah Jews are the real Jews and most Christians sects are nothing like them, except perhaps the Evangelicals(most of them just pretend to be to get money aka the TV preachers )

I don't think the Jews have anything to do with wanting to run everything. I haven't seen them trying to shoulder their way into the personal lives of other Americans. I think that the Evangelicals are pure poison, though. I think that the evangelicals want to establish a theocracy run by their garbage clergy. They are dangerous.

Not the religious jews, but the Zionist ones. AIPAC comes to mind as wall as American Jewish Congress, the Zionist Organization of America, the Israel Policy Forum, the American Jewish Committee (Israel lobby in the United States - Wikipedia) as well

Christians United for Israel are mainly Evangelicals, and turn a blind eye to their discrimination and genocide.

We did not become a Judeo-Christian nation until Israel self proclaimed themselves a state. Every Potus has to go the "wall" and pledge allegiance to Israel.