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That doesn’t account for the other states in the top tier.
You can’t automatically assume their lower gun violence rate is due to their gun control laws. There are other factors. Less poverty, smaller cities, more homogeneous demographics. Correlation of two pieces of data doesn’t automatically mean causation.
Even in the United States the gun violence numbers and gun control laws don’t line up in any predictable way. Cities with stricter gun control laws still have sky high gun crime rates. The criminals still don’t have much difficulty finding guns when they really want them.
Actually there is something there. In suicides, women attempt it more often, but men succeed more often. Men are much more likely to use a gun and gun is pretty good at killing. If you could limit access to a weapon doing a vulnerable moment, it might prevent that suicide.
Yeah, the reason the other states have high violent crime rates is the democrat party controlled cities and their policies…..
1) The democrats have handicapped the police in those cities.
2) The democrats and their policies release known, violent, repeat gun offenders over and over again…it is these individuals, not normal gun owners who are driving the violent crime rates…….
I’m not talking about suicide or other countries. I’m talking about the US. Every country is different in this regard. In the US it is guns and unlike some other methods it is immediate and irrevocable. Given that getting to the point of attempting it can often be impulsive things like a brief wait period before purchasing a handgun or the ability to temporarily remove guns from someone at risk for suicide makes sense.Nope…….you then have to explain how South Korea Japan, China, and many European countries and Canada have higher suicide rates than we do…….South Korea and Japan with extreme gun control.
I agree that what drives crime rates and gun violence is complicated ( too bad those who harp on race and crime don’t also recognize this) and I agree correlation isn’t necessarily causation. But one piece of data is consistent. In comparable countries to ours, that have stricter gun laws, crimes, violence and deaths related to guns are considerably lower.You can’t automatically assume their lower gun violence rate is due to their gun control laws. There are other factors. Less poverty, smaller cities, more homogeneous demographics. Correlation of two pieces of data doesn’t automatically mean causation.
Even in the United States the gun violence numbers and gun control laws don’t line up in any predictable way. Cities with stricter gun control laws still have sky high gun crime rates. The criminals still don’t have much difficulty finding guns when they really want them.
Uh huh.
I’m not talking about suicide or other countries. I’m talking about the US. Every country is different in this regard. In the US it is guns and unlike some other methods it is immediate and irrevocable. Given that getting to the point of attempting it can often be impulsive things like a brief wait period before purchasing a handgun or the ability to temporarily remove guns from someone at risk for suicide makes sense.
Uh huh.
I’m not talking about suicide or other countries. I’m talking about the US. Every country is different in this regard. In the US it is guns and unlike some other methods it is immediate and irrevocable. Given that getting to the point of attempting it can often be impulsive things like a brief wait period before purchasing a handgun or the ability to temporarily remove guns from someone at risk for suicide makes sense.
I agree that what drives crime rates and gun violence is complicated ( too bad those who harp on race and crime don’t also recognize this) and I agree correlation isn’t necessarily causation. But one piece of data is consistent. In comparable countries to ours, that have stricter gun laws, crimes, violence and deaths related to guns are considerably lower.
Is it fact it is harder to get a gun and penalties harsher? Is a different national relationship to guns? ie a tool, a responsibility, not a “right”? Other?
I agree that what drives crime rates and gun violence is complicated ( too bad those who harp on race and crime don’t also recognize this) and I agree correlation isn’t necessarily causation. But one piece of data is consistent. In comparable countries to ours, that have stricter gun laws, crimes, violence and deaths related to guns are considerably lower.
Is it fact it is harder to get a gun and penalties harsher? Is a different national relationship to guns? ie a tool, a responsibility, not a “right”? Other?
Why? Farmer's kids have been operating motor vehicles as long as there have been motor vehicles. Kids operate off road vehicles all the time, usually without problems.I sometimes wonder about the wisdom of that.
And what's the comparison for gun ownership? Ten thousand to one? Twenty thousand to one? More? What's the number comparing criminals in New Zealand to the USA? Ten thousand to one? More?Rate of Gun murders in the US > 5x rate of gun murders in New Zealand
math is hard for gun porn consumers Derp Derp Derp
It essentially did. Gun ownership is entirely at the mercy of the police. Only someone they judge worthy who has an essential need can get licensed to possess a gun. Even then almost all firearms are banned. The requirements for a competitive shooter are almost impossible to meet with just some of them being: sponsored by a recognized and official competition shooting club. Attending six matches in twelve months, attending twelve club events in twelve months and on and on. Subjects of the New Zealand government have no right to possess or use weapons at all, not even for self-defense. Armed security guards are even banned.This is a lie.
New Zealand did not ‘ban’ guns.
Why do you want to prevent suicide? It's the ultimate personal decision. It's almost always an overreaction, a permanent solution to a temporary problem. But what business of yours is it if someone else decides to end his or her life?Actually there is something there. In suicides, women attempt it more often, but men succeed more often. Men are much more likely to use a gun and gun is pretty good at killing. If you could limit access to a weapon doing a vulnerable moment, it might prevent that suicide.
Most irrational anti-gunners don't give a shit about victims of gun violence.Why do you want to prevent suicide? It's the ultimate personal decision. It's almost always an overreaction, a permanent solution to a temporary problem. But what business of yours is it if someone else decides to end his or her life?
A completely valid question."if guns are outlawed, how am i gonna shoot liberals?"
sign i saw yesterday...terrible!
