New Testament Contradictions

[JBeukema]

That's pure unadulterated horseshit.

But you already know that.

If you're referring to your posts, i concur

 

[AllieBaba]

So I assume you've run out of anything intelligent to say?

 

[JBeukema]

Coming from you, that is hilarious. Take your hypothesis and get out of here. Come back when you have a theory and a clue

 

[AllieBaba]

You never explained how the bible stating the earth was without form before the sun was created contradicted your statement that "science" has dictated the sun was created before the earth, and thus contradicts the bible's chronology.

You asking me to leave is simply conceding you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[JBeukema]

Time-traveling baby jesus!!!

 

[AllieBaba]

So what you're saying is you had no idea that's what the bible said. One page one.

Pretty much eliminates you as someone who can argue the veracity of allegedly scientific theory vs. the bible, huh?

 

[JBeukema]

You try and fail so hard. I's sad, really. Since you fail at paragraph one, I'll give you another chance. Was man made before or after the animals? And does god like incest?

 

[ABikerSailor]

God made Adam AFTER the animals. Might wanna read Genesis sometime.

 

[jeffrockit]

Nobody "hates" christianity, well ok, muslims, but the rest of us are just waiting for any bible sniffer to prove anything important from the bible. Myself, I see nothing true or factual in the bible. Maybe I have to learn self-hypnosis? Get a lobotomy? Stop smoking weed?

Oh a Pothead...that explains everything.

 

[TofuDog]

Didn't god put pot on earth? It's because He wanted us to be able to see the truth... and be cool and relaxed.

Allie, you're basing your whole life on a book that was written about 1500 years ago and is filled with made up stuff. Sounds pretty naïve on your part.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Exactly what was "made up" about the OT tofu brains?

 

[TofuDog]

Exactly what was "made up" about the OT tofu brains?

You name it. How about the dude who lived to be 900?

 

[Newby]

It's not. It's the same tired lies those who hate CHristianity and true democracy always use. WHat he wants is freedom of speech and true democracy for everyone EXCEPT the majority, EXCEPT CHristians, and EXCEPT those who don't agree with his own twisted view of science.

If you use the rules of science against macroevolution, you come up with nothing more provable than the bible.

But those who hate CHristians and CHristianity will not admit it. Nor will they admit that the separation of church a nd state exists to PROTECT our right to express ourselves as religious people, in public or in private, without fear of discrimination or repercussions.

I know that. That's why I want him to prove what he has said. I'm still waiting.

Still waiting.

 

[Terral]

Hi JBeukema:

There are no contradictions in God’s Living Word, but men create seeming contradictions through their own ignorance and inability to determine accurate ‘context.’

Who approached Jesus? (Matthew 8:5-7) The Centurion approached Jesus, beseeching help for a sick servant. (Luke 7:3 & 7:6-7) The Centurion did not approach Jesus. He sent friends and elders of the Jews.

The Centurion sent an assembly of men to implore Jesus to save his slave, but then met with Jesus face-to-face upon His arrival. Luke’s witness tells the story from the beginning, but Matthew’s account tells the story only from when Jesus arrived at the Centurion’s house. The important fact to remember about Luke is that he is a travel companion of Paul, who joins the crusade after Paul’s conversion in Acts 9. Luke is a scholar (like Paul) who translated Aramaic manuscripts into Greek for circulation in the known world. This means that Luke gathered a host of manuscripts from people like Peter, John and James (written in Aramaic) for translation into Greek from which the New Testament was called into being. Oftentimes poor fishermen and common people like Peter and John could not afford the new parchment and the price of a scholar, so they traded their old Aramaic manuscripts as barter; which is the source of Luke’s testimony in the Gospel of Luke and the Book of Acts. Therefore, Luke is writing from the perspective of a variety of witnesses, while telling his buddy Theophilus (Luke 1:3, Acts 1:1) the story of Jesus Christ and what really happened. The Four Gospels do NOT agree in every detail, because the witnesses are telling the stories from their own personal perspective ‘and’ without any attempts to reconcile anything at all; which would be a great sign of ‘collusion.’

Paul’s attendants heard the miraculous voice and stood speechless. Acts 9:7 Paul’s attendants did not hear* the voice and were prostrate. Acts 22:9 & 26:14

The two accounts tell the same exact story, but JBeukema has replaced the term “hear” with the word “understand.”

"And those who were with me saw the light, to be sure, but did not understand the voice of the One who was speaking to me.” Acts 22:9.

Everyone reading these words ‘can’ see the very same thing, but only ‘some’ of you understand what the heck I am talking about. :0)

Was she dead or just dying? (Matthew 9:18) He asked for help, saying his daughter was already dead. (Luke 8:41-42) Jairus approached Jesus for help, because his daughter was dying.

Here again we are reading the account of different witnesses from different perspectives. The Matthew witness overheard the synagogue official testifying that his daughter was dead, but Jesus Himself relays the information that she is only sleeping (Matt. 9:24). However, Luke’s witness is testifying from the overview perspective that the little girl was still alive apart from the knowledge of the original misconceptions of the man named Jairus. You should realize that a voting process is about to take place to start the Book of Acts where Peter and the others cast lots to replace Judas. He was standing among 120 souls, “of the men who have accompanied us ALL THE TIME that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us – beginning with the Baptism of John (Matt. 3:15-16) until the day that He was taken up from us” (Acts 1:9-11). These 120 souls were selected as ‘heads of households’ that included even more Jews they represented, which means you should realize that Jesus Christ had hundreds and hundreds of witnesses following Him around during His three-year ministry. Therefore, we should expect to see the eyewitness accounts to tell the same story, but the details will vary slightly from account to account; depending upon the ‘perspective’ of each witness himself. We cannot expect a witness hearing only the ‘end’ of a conversation to include details of events of thing he never heard or witnessed, as if everybody in the crowd can see and hear everything from the beginning to end these accounts.

When did the fig tree hear of its doom? (Matthew 21:17-19) Jesus cursed the fig tree after purging the temple. (Mark 11:14-15 & 20) He cursed it before the purging.

You assume there is only one fig tree on the path ‘to’ and ‘from’ Christ purging the Temple. Again, Mark is NOT one of the Twelve, and is yet another travel companion of Paul (like Luke), and is working from the testimony of others that numbered in the hundreds if not thousands.

Matthew 2:15, 19 & 21-23 The infant Christ was taken into Egypt. Luke 2:22 & 39 The infant Christ was NOT taken to Egypt.

Luke’s account excludes the Egyptian events, as the timeline includes Christ’s birth and events in the Temple taking place some twelve years later. Herod died between those two events ‘and’ Joseph moved his family back from Egypt within those twelve years. Critics point fingers at the Gospels when they agree in essence ‘and’ when they disagree in the details. Everyone here should wake up and realize that God’s Living Word is written to be interpreted in more than 2000 different ways, which allows men of faith, knowledge and wisdom to grow in ‘the truth,’ AND sons of disobedience are deluded (2Thes. 2:10-12) into seeing something else entirely. :0)

Matthew 5:1-2 Christ preached his first sermon on the mount. Luke 6:17 & 20 Christ preached his first sermon in the plain.

This is ridiculous. Christ “went off to the mountain to pray” in Luke 6:12 and is merely seeking ‘a level place’ to stand in Luke 6:17 in order to give His sermon ON THE MOUNT. If Christ is standing in the middle of a flat and level ‘plain,’ then there was no reason to look around for a level spot . . .

Has anyone ascended up to heaven? Elijah went up to heaven: "And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." 2 Kings 2:11 "No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, even the son of man." John 3:13

While I can explain every seeming contradiction in God’s Living Word, there is no guarantee at all that you are “willing to accept it” (Matt. 11:14); or even have the ability to believe one word of my testimony (1Cor. 2:14). First of all, Jesus Christ was “found in appearance AS A MAN” (Phil. 2:8) and is no mere ‘man’ at all. Jesus Christ is the Lord God of Genesis 2 who formed His “man” (Adam) from the dust of the ground using His own two hands. Jesus Christ is the same Lord God who testifies that the greatest born of women is none other than “John the Baptist” (Matt. 11:11) ‘and’ your stipulation above includes language “no MAN has ascended into heaven but ‘he’ that came down from heaven, even the ‘son of man.’” Jesus Christ is speaking in types and antitypes about HIS “son of God” (Luke 3:38), which just happens to be the ‘son of man’ representing this universe (heavens, heaven and earth) as the ‘man’ sent from God (John 1:6).

On the left you see Moses (Eve) Christ (Lord God) and Elijah (Adam) standing on the Mount of Transfiguration (Matt. 17:1-8) in the same exact way these ‘three witnesses’ stood together in the Garden back in Genesis 2. Every man/host in this universe (male and female) is a member of the “Body of Moses/Eve” with an angelic super-half being a member of Elijah’s/Adam’s Body in the ‘heavens.’ Eventually everything in the ‘heavens and earth’ will be summed up “IN” Christ Jesus (Eph. 1:9-10), when mortals (men) shall put on immortality (1Cor. 15:51-53) by the rejoining (marriage) of their lesser (men) and greater (angel) halves to obtain citizenship ‘in heaven.’ Phil. 3:20. God is handing “New Jerusalem” down from “heaven” (Rev. 21:1-3), which is the ‘highest heaven’ of 1Kings 8:27 ‘and’ “Heaven” from Genesis 1:1 (in red).

Figure 2 shows God restoring “His Son” (Christ = F+S+HS) in the almost infinite realm containing our Adamic Universe (like this), while God's Son (Christ) is also restoring His “son of God” (Adam) as this heavens, heaven and earth Adamic universe. However (this is the fun part), God is also summing up the Lord God (Christ) ‘and’ His ‘son of God’ (Adam) vertically, which explains the true identity of he “who is to come” (Matt. 11:14 again). This Adamic Universe (Earth) is the physical ‘body,’ and the Heaven (F+S+HS) is the ‘soul’ for Adam’s infinite ‘spirit’ that is being restored in God’s Infinite Realm; where Satan murdered the “son of God” in the first place. Therefore, the “son of God” (Adam) is the “Man of God” (Fig 2 ) “sent from God” (John 1:6) from the end of time itself; when Heaven and Earth become ‘one’ and the very same thing ("all in all" = far right). Therefore, the ‘prophet’ of Acts 3:22-23, to whom you are wise to pay heed to his every word, is none other than your father Adam who holds your angelic super-half in the palm of his hand. The ‘man’ that Jesus Christ is talking about ascending and descending is His “son of God” with whom “He” (the Lord God) is becoming ONE, as Heaven and Earth also become ONE throughout all the ages to come . . . In short: Jesus Christ is the Father + Son + Holy Spirit as the “Son of God/Man” and John the Baptist is the incarnation of your father “Adam” the only ‘son of God’ in this universe (my thread).

The Elijah mystery: (Malachi 4:5) Elijah must return before the final days of the world. (Matthew 11:12-14) Jesus said that John the Baptist was Elijah. (Matthew 17:12- 13) Jesus insists that Elijah has already come, and everyone understood him to mean John the Baptist. (Mark 9:13) Jesus insists that Elijah has already come. (John 1:21) John the Baptist maintained that he was not Elijah.

John the Baptist denies being Elijah, because even Elijah is a ‘skin’ (Gen. 3:21 = 2Kings 1:8 = Mark 1:6 = diagram) for your father Adam; like Abraham, Joshua, David, John the Baptist and the coming ‘prophet’ of Acts 3:22-23. Those to whom Adam ‘is’ sent must recognize him ‘first’ as the ‘prophet’ (spirit witness), before God Himself will open their eyes to see him as “David” the king ‘and’ as your father Adam. Since the people are ‘asking’ John questions about his true identity, then ‘they’ obviously DID NOT recognize him. The key for the ‘son of man’ coming in this godless world is that testimony about himself is not true (John 5:31-33), so he is forbidden BY GOD to testify about himself. The question becomes: If the ‘son of man’ is speaking to you right now, then how would you recognize him? :0)

Are we saved by works as well as faith? Ephesians 2:8-9 says no and James 2:24 says yes.

Paul is teaching “grace doctrine” to the members of Christ’s Body (Church #2), while James is teaching “kingdom doctrine” to the disciples of Christ’s Prophetic “Bride” (Church #1). Disciples from Peter’s Kingdom “Bride” are saved by obeying the “Gospel of the Kingdom” (Gospel #1), but the ‘brethren’ from Paul’s Mystery “Body of Christ” Church are saved by obeying his “Word of the Cross” gospel message (Gospel #2). Mr. JBeukema here does ‘not’ even begin to know the difference. Your Bible includes ‘three witnesses’ of Spirit (OT), water (Kingdom NT) and blood (Pauline Epistles) from this diagram (here). Part of the reason that ‘your’ Bible is filled to the gills with ‘seeming’ contradictions is because the ‘deluding influence’ has forced ‘many’ (Matt. 7:13-14) to ‘believe what is false’ (2Thes. 2:11 = ) all of your days on this earth . . .

GL,

Terral

 

[TofuDog]

Dude, sure you didn't leave anything out?

 

[JBeukema]

John the Baptist denies being Elijah, because even Elijah is a ‘skin’ (Gen. 3:21 = 2Kings 1:8 = Mark 1:6 = diagram) for your father Adam; like Abraham, Joshua, David, John the Baptist and the coming ‘prophet’ of Acts 3:22-23. Those to whom Adam ‘is’ sent must recognize him ‘first’ as the ‘prophet’ (spirit witness), before God Himself will open their eyes to see him as “David” the king ‘and’ as your father Adam. Since the people are ‘asking’ John questions about his true identity, then ‘they’ obviously DID NOT recognize him. The key for the ‘son of man’ coming in this godless world is that testimony about himself is not true (John 5:31-33), so he is forbidden BY GOD to testify about himself. The question becomes: If the ‘son of man’ is speaking to you right now, then how would you recognize him? :0)

Anybody who has tp put their own belives in that many quotations and qualify a statement so much is clearly delusional. If you god were real, you could give a straight answer without qualifying every other word.

You assume there is only one fig tree on the path ‘to’ and ‘from’ Christ purging the Temple.

He killed 2 trees for being out of season? Couldn't he just do the bread thing, but with figs?

Everyone here should wake up and realize that God’s Living Word is written to be interpreted in more than 2000 different ways

So, instead of telling one true story, there are countless 'interpretations' of the 'truth' of 'history' and the 'true' 'nature' or 'god' and 'his' 'son' and 'spirit'?!

Figure 2 shows God restoring “His Son” (Christ = F+S+HS) in the almost infinite realm containing our Adamic Universe (like this), while God's Son (Christ) is also restoring His “son of God” (Adam) as this heavens, heaven and earth Adamic universe. However (this is the fun part), God is also summing up the Lord God (Christ) ‘and’ His ‘son of God’ (Adam) vertically, which explains the true identity of he “who is to come” (Matt. 11:14 again). This Adamic Universe (Earth) is the physical ‘body,’ and the Heaven (F+S+HS) is the ‘soul’ for Adam’s infinite ‘spirit’ that is being restored in God’s Infinite Realm; where Satan murdered the “son of God” in the first place. Therefore, the “son of God” (Adam) is the “Man of God” (Fig 2 ) “sent from God” (John 1:6) from the end of time itself; when Heaven and Earth become ‘one’ and the very same thing ("all in all" = far right). Therefore, the ‘prophet’ of Acts 3:22-23, to whom you are wise to pay heed to his every word, is none other than your father Adam who holds your angelic super-half in the palm of his hand.

'who holds your angelic super-half in the palm of his hand. '
... this is more convoluted than the Kabbalah, and makes half as much sense

Paul is teaching “grace doctrine” to the members of Christ’s Body (Church #2), while James is teaching “kingdom doctrine”

If there is but one God, there can be but one doctrine, and One truth, and one Will of the Lord...

Disciples from Peter’s Kingdom “Bride” are saved by obeying the “Gospel of the Kingdom” (Gospel #1), but the ‘brethren’ from Paul’s Mystery “Body of Christ” Church are saved by obeying his “Word of the Cross” gospel message (Gospel #2).

And that's where you show your colors. This is not remotely biblical, but it heresy and the word of man. For jesus said that he was the only way to heave, and he taught salvation through believe- replacing grave through actions, which was the Moseic law.

Your Bible includes ‘three witnesses’ of Spirit (OT), water (Kingdom NT) and blood

>MY< bible?!

the &#8216;deluding influence&#8217; has forced &#8216;many&#8217; (Matt. 7:13-14) to &#8216;believe what is false&#8217;

So your incompetent God cannot illuminate the minds of men or protect his Word?

 

[Terral]

Hi JB:

Anybody who has tp put their own belives in that many quotations and qualify a statement so much is clearly delusional. If you god were real, you could give a straight answer without qualifying every other word.

Welcome to the party. They said John the Baptist had a demon . . . too. :0)

He killed 2 trees for being out of season? Couldn't he just do the bread thing, but with figs?

Christ is doing many things at once, but only for those with eyes from God to see. The entire life of Adam (930 years = Isa. 53 is about Adam 'and' Christ) is being condensed into just three years from His baptism in the Jordan (receiving the Holy Spirit = tree of life) to His crucifixion; where He repeats Adam's words heard coming through the wings of the cherubim (Gen. 3:21-24), saying, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" Matt 27:46. John the Baptist (Adam) gave Christ the Spirit of the 'tree of life' at the Jordan River (Matt. 3:15-17) to fulfill all righteousness, because only the Lord God could make the ultimate sacrifice on the cross for 'those who believe' (1Cor. 1:21). However, that payment will be a 'past event,' when the son of God returns as the 'prophet' of Acts 3:22-23 to begin the process of restoring 'all things' (Matt. 17:10-11).

So, instead of telling one true story, there are countless 'interpretations' of the 'truth' of 'history' and the 'true' 'nature' or 'god' and 'his' 'son' and 'spirit'?!

Your Bible is filled with seeming contradictions and my Bible has none.

... this is more convoluted than the Kabbalah, and makes half as much sense.

One of us is looking 'forward' to a Judgment and one of us is standing in the distant future looking backwards into an 'evil age' (Gal. 1:4) where this universe remains very much 'broken.' The fact that a man (male + female) + an angel = an immortal soul is common knowledge in 'heaven,' but this kind of information remains beyond the reach of mere mortal men. John the Baptist (Adam) was sent by God, so 'ALL might believe through him' (John 1:7). This is the kind of common 'heavenly' knowledge that John also spoke about - that men had difficulty believing . . .

If there is but one God, there can be but one doctrine, and One truth, and one Will of the Lord...

No. There is one God, but many different 'dispensations' (Vine's) of angels and men; through which God deals with earthly 'and' heavenly hosts in many different ways. Please forgive, but 'your' Bible is the one filled with many seeming contradictions . . .

And that's where you show your colors. This is not remotely biblical, but it heresy and the word of man.

That sounds funny coming from a guy who started a Bible Contradiction thread . . .

For jesus said that he was the only way to heave, and he taught salvation through believe- replacing grave through actions, which was the Moseic law.

Perhaps your statements would make more sense, if you try writing in complete sentences that 'can' be supported by Scripture. 2Tim. 2:15. Jesus Christ teaches obedience to the commandments for obtaining eternal life (Matt. 19:16-17), and says that Mosaic Law remains for Israel until heaven and earth pass away (Matt. 5:17-19). God is calling out members of the Prophetic Kingdom "Bride" (John 3:29 = Church #1 here) through obedience to the "Gospel of the Kingdom" (Matt. 4:23, 9:35 = Gospel #1 here), but I am very confident that JB has no idea of what that even means. :0)

So your incompetent God cannot illuminate the minds of men or protect his Word?

Of course He can, but the 'many' (Matt. 7:13-14) running around on earth today are prepared for utter destruction. You are the guy cuckoo saying that something is wrong with God's Living Word . . .

GL,

Terral

 

[ABikerSailor]

Exactly what was "made up" about the OT tofu brains?

You name it. How about the dude who lived to be 900?

Actually, according to the Torah, when God created man, he originally set things up so that humans would live 1000 years, which is why the people before the Mabul (Flood), lived that long. However, the Bible also states that the Sons of God mated with the daughters of man, and that is why God sent the Mabul (mobilized waters).

Incidentally, prior to the Mabul, mankind was forbidden to eat meat unless they made the equivalent of 250,000/yr. After the Mabul, the earth and mankind were so weakened that God told us that we could then eat meat anytime.

As far as the Flood? Well.......ever hear of the iridium layer? It was formed when (scientists think) a meteor struck off the coast of Mexico (in the Yucatan penninsula). Now, considering that in 2004 there was a tsunami caused by an earthquake that wiped out quite a few people, how much worse would it be if a meteor hit the ocean?

There's your Flood, proven with science.

 

[TofuDog]

"There's your Flood, proven with science." lol, you can't be serious. That meteorite hit about 65 million years ago. Anyways it wouldn't flood the earth for 40 days, maybe some really huge waves which, btw, woulda busted up Naoh's floating crap boat to pieces.

 

[AllieBaba]

Exactly what was "made up" about the OT tofu brains?

You name it. How about the dude who lived to be 900?

You have proof he didn't?