New light on the nature of Apollo's light

[Days]

Stars send out their light via a tried and true method: radiation. The light is carried in the star's rays; aka, electromagnetic waves. Our own sun's rays have not changed in nature for an awful long time, but we have only recently begun to understand what those rays consist of and how they act upon materials and humans in the void of space. Slowly, the new understanding is leaking into the media, and if you read carefully, you are beginning to realize that the sun has its own kind of "weather" which consists of surface storms (sun spots) that flare in explosions of light. Flares are unique occurrences, they are different from radiation sent forth by the magnetic explosions of a coronal mass ejection. A CME has heavy ions of energetic protons and it seems to lumber along at speeds of one to four million miles per hour. A flare OTOH, has energetic electrons, and travels at the speed of light, being an explosion of light, it is purely sunlight by composition. So for starters, when you read about major and minor flares that took place during the Apollo missions, realize that the "major" flares were more likely CME's ... while the "minor" flares were actually flares. The CME's might have taken a day and a half up to 3 days to reach the earth and moon, while the flares arrived in ten minutes, the same as all sunlight does.

What we are learning today is that both the CMEs and the flares contain deadly radiation poisoning, that even a single solar flare could kill you, and that while you might survive one and even two if you are lucky, you would never survive three in a row, and the five that happened during Apollo 17's flight at solar maximum, would have meant certain death; never mind the four "major" flares that also took place during those two weeks they pretended to be visiting the moon.

The energetic particles contained in solar flares are also caught up in the earth's magnetosphere, where the electrons tend to travel towards the poles and produce the aurora lights in the northern and southern skies. But the protons remained stuck in bands of radiation and die a slow death of five to ten years before losing their charge. Hence, flying through the Van Allen belts at solar maximum is another sure fire way to receive a large dose of radiation... and energetic particles carry a much higher charge than the man made radiation we dole out for x-rays. Energetic electrons are ten times the electron volt administered by our x-ray machines, while energetic protons are 100-1000 times higher in charge. Hence, flying through the Van Allen belts at solar maximum is a deadly affair all its own, because those protons are brand new and they are buzzing at 1000 times the electron volt charge of man made x-rays. All four of Apollo 17's "major" flares would have been caught up in the Van Allen belts and awaiting their return to earth; and lets nor forget that one of the centuries biggest CMEs happened just prior to Apollo 17 launch, so it was captured in the radiation belts and pouring into that flight as well.... supposedly.

In reality, none of the Apollo flights received any radiation at all. The dosimeters all read one REM or even less than one REM for every single Apollo mission. IOW, they were all near earth orbits in the same protective range that the space station maintains; roughly 200 miles up. Manned flight has never gone beyond that range. Neither are we able to do so. A thin layer of gold does not protect against radiation poisoning on earth, let alone the energetic radiation poisoning of the sun's rays. Manned flight to the moon or Mars is nationalistic propaganda, not honest science. Radiation shielding requires a very dense element, remember, you are trying to block a sub-atomic particle, and those dense elements like gold and lead are also the heaviest elements we work with; meanwhile, space craft is made of super light materials on account of fuel and payload and overcoming the earth's gravity. So, blocking energetic particles in space is a non-starter. The entire capsule would need something like six feet thick gold to fully protect it's occupants... and forget about windows because radiation poisoning would flood in through those and kill everyone inside.

The days of pretending that energetic particles are innocuous radiation poisoning are far in our technological past. We've known better for a long, long time in terms of sun science. The biggest thing being studied by science today is the sun. Google sun science and you will immediately realize that we are studying it at every level of the electromagnetic wave spectrum. Today we know what those sun spots are, they are nuclear fission chain reaction explosions, and they are kicking out energetic particles that are extremely deadly to living flesh. Flares are just bigger explosions in a chain of explosions that carries on for hours on end. Even a small sun spot is an ongoing chain reaction nuclear explosion the size of planet earth... try to wrap your head around the scale of radiation poisoning being emitted by our sun's weather. That's what space beyond the earth's magnetosphere is filled with. None of the Apollo missions ever ventured into that deadly space.

 

[daveman]

Well, except for all the ones that did.

 

[editec]

Soooooooooooooooooo...the moon landings were fakes?

Okey-doke.

 

[Days]

I wrote a post on energetic particles. Why did you bother to reply? You obviously have nothing to say.

 

[Days]

Sooooooooooooo, you had a question? or not?

 

[Ernie S.]

Sooooooooooooo, you had a question? or not?

I have a question:

How long have you been off your meds?

 

[Days]

Why do total non-intellectuals, who have no idea what these topics consist of, let alone, grasp the arguments at hand, run around a forum such as this, posting insults and negative reputation and name calling and all kinds of flaming at the posters who have something to say?

8th grade behavior.

So, you know nothing of the science of sun studies for the past 10 years, when it has truly exploded. A short post on sun flares and what they consist of, blows your mind. Either you are some hick from the back woods or some other senile address and throwing tantrums on a political site is the best you can come up with or you really are some 8th grader some where.

So, ernie, let me recommend a forum for you to find out how much you have no idea what the sciences are looking at these days. Check out some serious forums like "Thunderbolts" and learn why electromagnetic waves really require some kind of aether to travel through a vacuum. Or let's be honest, you couldn't even read the posts, could you?

 

[eots]

Would not surprise me if the photos were faked for the perfect propaganda shots and perhaps to keep secret some of the technology used but i do believe the goal of putting men on the moon was achieved..it seems in the middle of a cold war if the ussr would of cried foul

 

[Days]

The Apollo missions didn't have radiation cooling. This was the 1960's. You know what they called cabin cooling? Compressed air... and while that makes for a nice environment in low earth orbit, it isn't enough to cool down a 250 degree space craft; which is what you get when you take a 3 inch thick aluminum can into 24 hour sunlight. But they had "shake and bake"; rolling the craft 180 degrees, which supposedly cooled off the underside. and you have sheep who still believe that works. In reality, it doesn't matter how much you roll the craft, it produces no cooling, there's no heat exchange with space, there's no molecules to produce heat exchange. If they had really left low earth orbit, the crafts would have heated to 250 degrees in a matter of 1-3 hours, and since water boils at 220 degrees, they would have died in 1-3 hours from heat strokes... and their carcasses would have cooked while their craft flew outward in a space odyssey.

That's how badly Richard Nixon hoaxed the nation.

Stanley Kubric (who did 2001 A Space Odyssey) did the Apollo movies that were broadcast from the moon (heh heh) on the exact same equipment that was used to transmit to and from the Clark Orbit. Remember, this was analog television, the same stuff that turned to fuzz when you drove a couple hundred miles outside the local broadcasting in each city, it had very definite range limitations. In 1964 we managed to launch the first successful satellite in the Clark Orbit, utilizing 85 foot diameter microwave dishes. In 1965, Apollo ordered up two more of those same 85 foot dishes (you need two of them - one to broadcast up to the satellite and one to retrieve from the satellite) but around 15 of the 25 foot dishes needed to communicate with low earth orbit. Clark orbit is 22,000 miles out, not quite 1/10th the distance to the moon. Meanwhile Apollo dragged out their five and six foot dishes on the moon surface with no power whatsoever, not even an amp hooked up, and broadcast all the way to earth. Sure they did. and Buzz broadcast his first step onto the moon through a fixed two foot dish on the roof of the LEM; they never even bothered to point it at the earth, not that they could have, but the idea of doing that had to come up and I'm sure they wanted to draw as little attention to a low amp two foot dish broadcasting from the moon as possible. The truth is, they had enough problems sorting the signal out that was using the 85 foot dishes and the Clark Orbit satellite. the 25 foot dishes had no problem communicating with the low earth orbit, where Apollo missions were, so the missions were a success. The hoax of going to the moon were scientific blunders on an incredible scale. But Americans are still stupid enough and ignorant enough to completely swallow the hoaxes. Guys like ernie with no mind at all, will argue til they are blue in the face as if space flight was as easy as Star Wars. Ever notice that the space craft in Star Wars all had wings, as if there was an atmosphere in space and you fly there the same way as you do a jet in our skies? That was our mentality, that's why the astronauts were originally jet pilots.

Today, we transmit from Mars, utilizing digital encoding riding on light shot out from a LASER. We still don't have enough bandwidth to send television, just still shots. When you return to 1960 era technology, you go back to the same early technology of the first days of television. What they were calling computers in those days, wouldn't fetch one buck in a store today as a calculator. When you see mission control and everyone staring at screens; what was on those screens? We tend to project today's technology onto those screens, but they had not one millionth the technology that our computers utilize today. Analog signals broke apart over distance; it is as simple as this; the electromagnetic wave spreads out as a wave, even if you use a parabolic dish, it will still spread out over a great distance and hence dissipate (aka lose signal strength). A low amp analog signal shot out of a two foot dish in 1969 might travel a couple hundreds miles before it breaks apart. Since the equipment on earth could only reach the Clark orbit, you've got a 200,000 mile dead space separation, at the very least. Ludicrous. And yet, Americans will argue until they are blue in the face, that the signal made it to earth.

never mind the astronauts would have died from the heat before the radiation finished them off.

 

[eots]

the apollo missions didn't have radiation cooling. This was the 1960's. You know what they called cabin cooling? Compressed air... And while that makes for a nice environment in low earth orbit, it isn't enough to cool down a 250 degree space craft; which is what you get when you take a 3 inch thick aluminum can into 24 hour sunlight. But they had "shake and bake"; rolling the craft 180 degrees, which supposedly cooled off the underside. And you have sheep who still believe that works. In reality, it doesn't matter how much you roll the craft, it produces no cooling, there's no heat exchange with space, there's no molecules to produce heat exchange. If they had really left low earth orbit, the crafts would have heated to 250 degrees in a matter of 1-3 hours, and since water boils at 220 degrees, they would have died in 1-3 hours from heat strokes... And their carcasses would have cooked while their craft flew outward in a space odyssey.

That's how badly richard nixon hoaxed the nation.

Stanley kubric (who did 2001 a space odyssey) did the apollo movies that were broadcast from the moon (heh heh) on the exact same equipment that was used to transmit to and from the clark orbit. Remember, this was analog television, the same stuff that turned to fuzz when you drove a couple hundred miles outside the local broadcasting in each city, it had very definite range limitations. In 1964 we managed to launch the first successful satellite in the clark orbit, utilizing 85 foot diameter microwave dishes. In 1965, apollo ordered up two more of those same 85 foot dishes (you need two of them - one to broadcast up to the satellite and one to retrieve from the satellite) but around 15 of the 25 foot dishes needed to communicate with low earth orbit. Clark orbit is 22,000 miles out, not quite 1/10th the distance to the moon. Meanwhile apollo dragged out their five and six foot dishes on the moon surface with no power whatsoever, not even an amp hooked up, and broadcast all the way to earth. Sure they did. And buzz broadcast his first step onto the moon through a fixed two foot dish on the roof of the lem; they never even bothered to point it at the earth, not that they could have, but the idea of doing that had to come up and i'm sure they wanted to draw as little attention to a low amp two foot dish broadcasting from the moon as possible. The truth is, they had enough problems sorting the signal out that was using the 85 foot dishes and the clark orbit satellite. The 25 foot dishes had no problem communicating with the low earth orbit, where apollo missions were, so the missions were a success. The hoax of going to the moon were scientific blunders on an incredible scale. But americans are still stupid enough and ignorant enough to completely swallow the hoaxes. Guys like ernie with no mind at all, will argue til they are blue in the face as if space flight was as easy as star wars. Ever notice that the space craft in star wars all had wings, as if there was an atmosphere in space and you fly there the same way as you do a jet in our skies? That was our mentality, that's why the astronauts were originally jet pilots.

Today, we transmit from mars, utilizing digital encoding riding on light shot out from a laser. We still don't have enough bandwidth to send television, just still shots. When you return to 1960 era technology, you go back to the same early technology of the first days of television. What they were calling computers in those days, wouldn't fetch one buck in a store today as a calculator. When you see mission control and everyone staring at screens; what was on those screens? We tend to project today's technology onto those screens, but they had not one millionth the technology that our computers utilize today. Analog signals broke apart over distance; it is as simple as this; the electromagnetic wave spreads out as a wave, even if you use a parabolic dish, it will still spread out over a great distance and hence dissipate (aka lose signal strength). A low amp analog signal shot out of a two foot dish in 1969 might travel a couple hundreds miles before it breaks apart. Since the equipment on earth could only reach the clark orbit, you've got a 200,000 mile dead space separation, at the very least. ludicrous. And yet, americans will argue until they are blue in the face, that the signal made it to earth.

Never mind the astronauts would have died from the heat before the radiation finished them off.

unless of course they had some help from those little guys at roswell

 

[Days]

major flares had hundreds of REM. (A Rad is the basic measurement of radiation; REM = Rad Equivalent Man... it refers to a dose of radiation resulting in one Rad deposited over the entire surface of a man or instrument or dog or whatever gets the dosage).

Van Allen belts for one hour would deliver anywhere from 70 REM to hundreds of REM, depending on your luck.

minor flares could be as low as 20 REM but could go over 100 REM, again depending on your luck. Remember, if there is a solar storm (sun spots) it is non stop radiation; the flares are concentrations to be sure, but they last for a couple of seconds, meanwhile the storm rages for hours, dosage is non-stop. When an energetic particle makes contact with aluminum it turns into an x-ray... which delivers the radiation poisoning. Apollo water supply was stored in metal containers, which means it got double dosage, hence, the men got their radiation poisoning direct and then got a double dosage from the water. So, figure a triple dosage of radiation was acting upon or poured into the men. every trip would have been lethal, except every trip would have cooked them to death faster than the radiation could have gotten to them.

and the moon is radioactive.

Kodak light sensitive film used on all the moon missions was blurred by 5 REM, totally destroyed by 25 REM. The film went up and came down, and the pictures were stunning... hence, they never left low earth orbit. Apollo dosimeters all read one REM or less for the entire mission... not one mission ever left low earth orbit.

 

[daveman]

The anomalies in the Apollo footage have already proven that the missions were faked in a studio. Here's one of the most obvious ones.

Do a YouTube search on "Apollo 15 flag, facing air resistance; proving the fraud of alleged manned moon landings.".

Watch how the flag moves without being touched when the astronaut trots by it. Air made it move.

Sorry I didn't provide a hotlink. I haven't made enough posts to be able to do that yet. I can give you this though.
/watch?v=Gn6MTrin5eU

Dood. You've been here almost three years and you only have 8 posts?

Oooookay.

Anyway, your video doesn't prove what you think ti does. The fabric of the flag is subject to inertia and gravity. Those are the forces moving it around.

Look at the dust kicked up by the astronauts' boots. It doesn't billow, as it would in atmosphere. It gets kicked, travels in a ballistic arc, and without losing speed (as it would in atmosphere), falls back down to the surface. Some of it travels in a very flat trajectory, close to the surface, and goes at least three feet. That's not going to happen at one gravity and one atmosphere.

So, they were on the moon. Period.

 

[Days]

Why do people argue idiotic things that make no sense? Any study of the Arizona sand quickly discovers it hitting the atmosphere and returning to earth. There are no high arcing perfect circles as should have happened on the moon. But you post exactly the opposite of the truth. So, you are entrenched in arguing these talking points mindlessly, without investing any thought process. Why do that? Do you just argue for the sake of argument? They tossed a lot of stuff around on the moon mission transmissions, everything traveled the same as it does on earth, nothing traveled six times as far, no jumps went six times ah high, lots of fabric items caught air, and especially the sand from the rover wheels acted exactly as it does on earth. The packing and dispersal of the sand was Arizona sand, not moon dust. No dust was touched by touchdowns, and not even one inch deep craters were formed by the thrust of the rocket engines. And yet, you mindlessly post a total Lie, just so you can argue and fight about it. I keep hoping to run into some intellectuals with depth and personality. Not barking dogs. So far, it has been a lot of barking. Maybe that's why this "Dood" (the correct spelling is Dude) has only posted 8 times in three years. Maybe he's not interested in getting barked at by idiots.

 

[Ernie S.]

Why do total non-intellectuals, who have no idea what these topics consist of, let alone, grasp the arguments at hand, run around a forum such as this, posting insults and negative reputation and name calling and all kinds of flaming at the posters who have something to say?

8th grade behavior.

So, you know nothing of the science of sun studies for the past 10 years, when it has truly exploded. A short post on sun flares and what they consist of, blows your mind. Either you are some hick from the back woods or some other senile address and throwing tantrums on a political site is the best you can come up with or you really are some 8th grader some where.

So, ernie, let me recommend a forum for you to find out how much you have no idea what the sciences are looking at these days. Check out some serious forums like "Thunderbolts" and learn why electromagnetic waves really require some kind of aether to travel through a vacuum. Or let's be honest, you couldn't even read the posts, could you?

First of all, YOU, calling ME a non-intellectual is downright comical. I've never claimed to be one, but shit man! At least I don't buy every conspiracy theory that pops up.
My friggin granddaughter probably has 40 IQ points on you.

I rarely do conspiracy theories and just stopped by this thread because of its asinine title.

Your idea of a serious forum is thunderbolts.info????

 

[Wroberson]

If you haven't seen the smoking gun, you shouldn't be posting. Everyone can debunk the flag moving, but they can't answer what was going on when they were using a stencil in the only window to make the oval Earth look round from 135000 miles or 1/2 way to the moon.

They can't answer how something was able to move in between the camera lens and the window when minutes before they explained that the camera was pressed up against the window glass.

They can't explain why, from 1/2 way to the moon when the camera eye was opened up, it shows the crew in what looks to be low Earth orbit.

You guys just haven't seen the right video evidence. And you won't see it here either, but you'll see the first item, just not the money shot. The version i got has the director, ordering Armstrong to "speak". The current version has been edited and now the director says "talk". I maybe have selective hearing, and my eyes were playing tricks on me. It is so worth seeing.

moonmovie.com

There's also a correlation between the Shining and the moon landing. That Kubrick directed it while he was making 2001. Appreantly he was trying to tell us about the hoax in the Shining as if he was swore to secracy but had to tell someone. You might be able to find it on youtube.

 

[konradv]

The anomalies in the Apollo footage have already proven that the missions were faked in a studio. Here's one of the most obvious ones.

Do a YouTube search on "Apollo 15 flag, facing air resistance; proving the fraud of alleged manned moon landings.".

Watch how the flag moves without being touched when the astronaut trots by it. Air made it move.

Sorry I didn't provide a hotlink. I haven't made enough posts to be able to do that yet. I can give you this though.
/watch?v=Gn6MTrin5eU

The flag was moving because the astronaut had just finished placing it. The conspiracy theorists only show that part, but not the extended footage which shows the movement stopping and never starting up again, which would be expected, if there were actually any wind.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RMmUtVtvIA]Apollo 11 Raising the Flag on the Moon in HD - YouTube[/ame]

Check it out. No movement once they stop futzing with the flag.

 

[konradv]

The flag was moving because the astronaut had just finished placing it.

You're looking at the wrong footage. Here's the link to the footage I'm referring to.
/watch?v=Gn6MTrin5eU

You can also do a YouTube search on, "Apollo 15 flag, facing air resistance; proving the fraud of alleged manned moon landings.".

Watch it at the 2:35 time mark. The flag is still. The astronaut trots by it without touching it. It starts to move. Air made it move.

This video shows that the flag started moving before he got close enough to touch it.
/watch?v=oFMpmjEv9o0


Here's another important flag video.
/watch?v=I7yc2rVOs00

It shows that the Apollo flag moved differently from a flag in a vacuum.

Here's a link to more hoax proof.
spurstalk (dot) com/forums/showthread (dot) php?t=144487

When I can post hotlinks, I'm going to post that info here.

Your links aren't accessible, but they'll have to be really good to match these guys. Good luck, you'll need it.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMBCfuKs9i8]Mythbusters Moon flag waving hoax - YouTube[/ame]

 

[konradv]

Here they debunking more of the moon landing objections.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wym04J_3Ls0]Mythbusters Moon Landing photo hoax 1 - YouTube[/ame]

You can bounce light off mirrors left on the moon. How do you explain how they got there?

 

[daveman]

The flag was moving because the astronaut had just finished placing it.

You're looking at the wrong footage. Here's the link to the footage I'm referring to.
/watch?v=Gn6MTrin5eU

You can also do a YouTube search on, "Apollo 15 flag, facing air resistance; proving the fraud of alleged manned moon landings.".

Watch it at the 2:35 time mark. The flag is still. The astronaut trots by it without touching it. It starts to move. Air made it move.

This video shows that the flag started moving before he got close enough to touch it.
/watch?v=oFMpmjEv9o0


Here's another important flag video.
/watch?v=I7yc2rVOs00

It shows that the Apollo flag moved differently from a flag in a vacuum.

Here's a link to more hoax proof.
spurstalk (dot) com/forums/showthread (dot) php?t=144487

When I can post hotlinks, I'm going to post that info here.

Two posters have brought up valid points about the movement of the dust kicked by the astronauts' boots.

Please address this.

 

[konradv]

MythBusters was discredited a long time ago.

/watch?v=I7yc2rVOs00
/watch?v=r5ajIVmGiQE
/watch?v=23BIb_PMJ4M
aulis (dot) com/mythbusters (dot) htm

Your links aren't accessible

I won't be able to post hotlinks until I've made fifteen posts. Until then, you'll have to copy and paste them. Sorry, but that's all I can do for now.

Simply making that declaration doesn't prove anything. You're going to have to show where they went wrong. Quit making excuses about not being able to provide hotlinks and make it so. Chop, chop.