Needed: Universal privatization of schools

[Big Fitz]

You are merely a dribble on the trousers of America. Pathetic little man, so afraid to give back in return for all the opportunity you have had as an American. Shameful, utterly shameful.

You perfectly illustrate the difference between a street thug and a socialist political hack: The mugger will only steal from me once and won't wag his finger at me about how greedy I am, to want to keep what belongs to me.


Fuck you, looter.

Every time you acknowledge his existence a fairy votes democrat.

 

[CitizenPained]

I'm still wondering who here could afford private education.

Because if you had 'universal privatization' (which sounds like an oxymoron), that's what would happen.

Look at New York during admissions season. Every rich parent is freaking out in March and wondering if their five year old will get into the kindergarten of choice.

 

[Patrick2]

I'm still wondering who here could afford private education.

The rich could pay. The middle class would rather use the money for the Hawaii vacation - tough. As I said, the government would give the poor vouchers.

Because if you had 'universal privatization' (which sounds like an oxymoron), that's what would happen.

How is it an oxymoron? It means: government goes out of the education business except for the vouchers.

Look at New York during admissions season. Every rich parent is freaking out in March and wondering if their five year old will get into the kindergarten of choice.

The current boutique system of private schools has almost nothing to do with the nature or operation of a universal privatized system.

 

[CitizenPained]

If the voucher is worth 10k and the school costs 20k, what does that mean? What if all the good schools were more expensive?

If any 'voucher' is good for any 'school', that's not going to change much. Many states and metro areas already have school choice. No voucher needed.

 

[Patrick2]

If the voucher is worth 10k and the school costs 20k, what does that mean? What if all the good schools were more expensive?

If any 'voucher' is good for any 'school', that's not going to change much. Many states and metro areas already have school choice. No voucher needed.

Vouchers should be given in an amount that meets the current market price of any average school.

The current so-called school choice has nothing to do with a universal privatized system. Quit trying to shoe-horn what I said into aspects of the current failed system.

 

[CitizenPained]

I'm not. All I'm saying is that the rich schools will end up being the better ones (that's the market) and the poor and lower middle class will lose out.

I went to private school and then to a great high school. My son goes to private school on scholarship. There's no fucking way I would have made it through the teen years without having an awesome education to fall back on.

 

[Patrick2]

I'm not. All I'm saying is that the rich schools will end up being the better ones (that's the market) and the poor and lower middle class will lose out.

They won't "lose out" - that everyone can't go to a perfect school is not a valid objection. And the schools they go to will be FARRRRR superior to the government schools. ONCE AGAIN, the poor will get vouchers sufficient for average schools.

went to private school and then to a great high school. My son goes to private school on scholarship. There's no fucking way I would have made it through the teen years without having an awesome education to fall back on.

I went to GHETTO K12 schools. I worked hard after high school to catch up from that experience, and hold three degrees: BS physics, MS astronomy, MS computer science.

 

[CitizenPained]

Oh, I lived in the poor part o town. I just lucked out at how nerdy I naturally was.

 

[psikeyhackr]

I went to GHETTO K12 schools. I worked hard after high school to catch up from that experience, and hold three degrees: BS physics, MS astronomy, MS computer science.

Well those computers can change the entire educational paradigm.

In fact that was proven in 1987 at Vero Beach Fl high school.

Bennett <- Link

The funny thing about that is that the teachers did not object because they did not want to be bothered with the BAD students. So we have the technology to deliver good education everywhere on the cheap. But what would that do to the socio-economic class structure?

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PS - Funny how the physicists don't demand accurate data on the distributions of steel in skyscrapers.

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[JakeStarkey]

If the voucher is worth 10k and the school costs 20k, what does that mean? What if all the good schools were more expensive?

If any 'voucher' is good for any 'school', that's not going to change much. Many states and metro areas already have school choice. No voucher needed.

Patrick's voucher system for education is no more sensible or American than Ryan's voucher for elder care in the medical system.

 

[Patrick2]

If the voucher is worth 10k and the school costs 20k, what does that mean? What if all the good schools were more expensive?

If any 'voucher' is good for any 'school', that's not going to change much. Many states and metro areas already have school choice. No voucher needed.

Patrick's voucher system for education is no more sensible or American than Ryan's voucher for elder care in the medical system.

Facts? Arguments? You apparently don't have any.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The counter argument is logical and clear. If the vouchers are not indexed to actually pricing but simply GDP or inflation, then the vouchers may well not be sufficient at a critical time in a person's life.

Here, this will help cheer you up,.

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[Patrick2]

The counter argument is logical and clear. If the vouchers are not indexed to actually pricing but simply GDP or inflation, then the vouchers may well not be sufficient at a critical time in a person's life.

I ALREADY SAID that the proposed vouchers would be fixed at the average market price.

Try to keep up.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The average market price is not actual pricing of services. Variations will exist, for which you can't compensate. Please pay attention.

So, basically, you advocate single payer through government, with servicing by competing health care cartels.

 

[CitizenPained]

The counter argument is logical and clear. If the vouchers are not indexed to actually pricing but simply GDP or inflation, then the vouchers may well not be sufficient at a critical time in a person's life.

I ALREADY SAID that the proposed vouchers would be fixed at the average market price.

Try to keep up.

Jake is keeping up just fine. Not sure if you've been employed in the school system or not, but schools are notorious for cutting $$ corners.

 

[CitizenPained]

I could ALMOST support a national basic education program that all schools were required to implement and every student had to complete in order to graduate. Raise the graduation age to 19. If you can't hack it in five years, gettout.

And then they could compete on 'extras', like art, dance, sports, religion, whatever. So everyone gets the same 'three Rs' and and the there's school choice for the things that kids 'need' for their personalities/talents/whatever.

And all schools would have to take in ESL and special needs.

 

[Patrick2]

The average market price is not actual pricing of services. Variations will exist, for which you can't compensate.

Whaaaaaaatttttt?????? You're incoherent. If poor people are given average price vouchers, they'll find educational services, since they have enough money for half the schools.

So, basically, you advocate single payer through government, with servicing by competing health care cartels.

Health care??? Uh, you're apparently confused about what thread you're in.

 

[Patrick2]

The counter argument is logical and clear. If the vouchers are not indexed to actually pricing but simply GDP or inflation, then the vouchers may well not be sufficient at a critical time in a person's life.

I ALREADY SAID that the proposed vouchers would be fixed at the average market price.

Try to keep up.

Jake is keeping up just fine. Not sure if you've been employed in the school system or not, but schools are notorious for cutting $$ corners.

No Jake is confused. In california, government school teachers make out like bandits while producing some of the poorest results in the US.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The average market price is not actual pricing of services. Variations will exist, for which you can't compensate.

Whaaaaaaatttttt?????? You're incoherent. If poor people are given average price vouchers, they'll find educational services, since they have enough money for half the schools.

So, basically, you advocate single payer through government, with servicing by competing education cartels.

Health care??? Uh, you're apparently confused about what thread you're in.

See. I helped you out. Now let's talk about education, not health care. Why don't you simply pay across the board costs for education? You can't and you won't. The average pricing you are talking about does not exist, but if it did, you would be sentencing all poor children to poor education. Too many exceptions to that exist even today for that to ever be accepted.

Nope. Stupid idea. Won't work. Not one of the 1000 points of light, Patrick.

 

[CitizenPained]

I ALREADY SAID that the proposed vouchers would be fixed at the average market price.

Try to keep up.

Jake is keeping up just fine. Not sure if you've been employed in the school system or not, but schools are notorious for cutting $$ corners.

No Jake is confused. In california, government school teachers make out like bandits while producing some of the poorest results in the US.

yes. a starting salary of 37k is BANK in salinas, CA -- a city where the murder rate is 4x the national average.