Needed: Universal privatization of schools

[Patrick2]

The US spends a lot more than most countries on education, and for paltry results. Years ago, we could "afford" an incompetent government school system, because we had no competition in the world. That world is gone - we compete with a unified europe and increasingly india and the PRC. We can no longer be held back by a failed system.

The current government school system is a hundred years old and way obsolete. The liberals have turned US schools into madrassas-lite with political indoctrination. They are bloated with administrators. They retain incompetent older teachers because of the seniority system. They are way overpaid. They've failed at their job.

A universal privatized system would bring the efficiencies of the market to a sector that badly needs it. The fossilized administrative structure would be a thing of the past. Teachers would have to make good or hit the bricks. Excellent teachers might earn far more than they do now. Schools would become accountable to their customers - parents. Students would no longer be guinea pigs for pedagogical gimmicks like "whole language".

Non-poor parents should pay their own education bills - there's no reason at all why working people should have to subsidize middle class parents in this area with their taxes.

 

[Oddball]

Absotively.

http://www.schoolandstate.org/home.htm

 

[JakeStarkey]

. . . over education. Nope, never going to happen. Though possibly we can make private education illegal to make sure Righty Extremist Facists and Supposed Christians won't be able to indoctrinate our children.

 

[Ravi]

Yeah....school is mandatory so make it mandatory to give our money to private corporations.

Fascists.

 

[Oddball]

You could always make it not mandatory, the same way it's not mandatory for you to go shop at Wal-Mart.

 

[Ravi]

I don't shop at Walmart. It's filled with fascist/commies like you.

 

[Patrick2]

Yeah....school is mandatory so make it mandatory to give our money to private corporations.

Fascists.

Yeah - a lot worse than giving it to arrogant government bureaucrats and incompetent time-serving drones posing as teachers.

 

[Oddball]

I don't shop at Walmart. It's filled with fascist/commies like you.

See what I mean?

Don't like being bossed around when it means doing something or supporting things you don't want to, do ya?

 

[Patrick2]

. . . over education. Nope, never going to happen. Though possibly we can make private education illegal to make sure Righty Extremist Facists and Supposed Christians won't be able to indoctrinate our children.

Leftwingers can just never get their heads around the idea of profit. The idea that there is a contradiction between profit and education is plain stupid. It is PRECISELY profit which motivates companies to do a good job - they are fired by parents and make no profits if they don't. And look at our current profitless system - THAT'S worked real well, right? Right.

 

[CitizenPained]

Other countries have amazing universities and secondary schools and are completely or mostly funded. I think it has more to do with our heavy admin costs than anything.

Also, we don't have universal curriculum. The money spent on curriculum development by each school district is bonkers.

 

[jillian]

The US spends a lot more than most countries on education, and for paltry results. Years ago, we could "afford" an incompetent government school system, because we had no competition in the world. That world is gone - we compete with a unified europe and increasingly india and the PRC. We can no longer be held back by a failed system.

The current government school system is a hundred years old and way obsolete. The liberals have turned US schools into madrassas-lite with political indoctrination. They are bloated with administrators. They retain incompetent older teachers because of the seniority system. They are way overpaid. They've failed at their job.

A universal privatized system would bring the efficiencies of the market to a sector that badly needs it. The fossilized administrative structure would be a thing of the past. Teachers would have to make good or hit the bricks. Excellent teachers might earn far more than they do now. Schools would become accountable to their customers - parents. Students would no longer be guinea pigs for pedagogical gimmicks like "whole language".

Non-poor parents should pay their own education bills - there's no reason at all why working people should have to subsidize middle class parents in this area with their taxes.

why? so only rich people can go to school??

schools are not businesses and shouldn't be run as businesses.

 

[CitizenPained]

How many of us had parents that could afford the $15-30k/year tuition bills?

 

[JakeStarkey]

. . . over education. Nope, never going to happen. Though possibly we can make private education illegal to make sure Righty Extremist Facists and Supposed Christians won't be able to indoctrinate our children.

Leftwingers can just never get their heads around the idea of profit. The idea that there is a contradiction between profit and education is plain stupid. It is PRECISELY profit which motivates companies to do a good job - they are fired by parents and make no profits if they don't. And look at our current profitless system - THAT'S worked real well, right? Right.

You are not a conservative at all, just a mindless fascistabot. Privatization, in competition wiht public education, has to meet parental expectation as well a profit needs. The comparisons, better ones, are the children in foster care, the elderly in private nursing homes, the mentally ill forced into private outpatient care, and the horror camps of our prisons.

You don't give a damn about the client or competition, you just want the $$$ and screw the product.

 

[Tank]

Other countries have amazing universities and secondary schools and are completely or mostly funded.

What other countries?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Try Finland, Tank.

 

[Patrick2]

The US spends a lot more than most countries on education, and for paltry results. Years ago, we could "afford" an incompetent government school system, because we had no competition in the world. That world is gone - we compete with a unified europe and increasingly india and the PRC. We can no longer be held back by a failed system.

The current government school system is a hundred years old and way obsolete. The liberals have turned US schools into madrassas-lite with political indoctrination. They are bloated with administrators. They retain incompetent older teachers because of the seniority system. They are way overpaid. They've failed at their job.

A universal privatized system would bring the efficiencies of the market to a sector that badly needs it. The fossilized administrative structure would be a thing of the past. Teachers would have to make good or hit the bricks. Excellent teachers might earn far more than they do now. Schools would become accountable to their customers - parents. Students would no longer be guinea pigs for pedagogical gimmicks like "whole language".

Non-poor parents should pay their own education bills - there's no reason at all why working people should have to subsidize middle class parents in this area with their taxes.

why? so only rich people can go to school??

schools are not businesses and shouldn't be run as businesses.

Nooooooooooo......... read more carefully, please. Middle class and rich people could and would pay their own bills. Poor people can get vouchers from the government. That schools are not run as businesses is EXACTLY what has caused the failure of K12 education in this country. They SHOULD be run as businesses - that would get all the crap out of the system: the incompetence, the politicization, the bloated administrations.

 

[Patrick2]

. . . over education. Nope, never going to happen. Though possibly we can make private education illegal to make sure Righty Extremist Facists and Supposed Christians won't be able to indoctrinate our children.

Leftwingers can just never get their heads around the idea of profit. The idea that there is a contradiction between profit and education is plain stupid. It is PRECISELY profit which motivates companies to do a good job - they are fired by parents and make no profits if they don't. And look at our current profitless system - THAT'S worked real well, right? Right.

You are not a conservative at all, just a mindless fascistabot.

Why do you resort to insults? Is it because you have no facts or arguments?

Privatization, in competition wiht public education

Stop right there - I said a >>UNIVERSAL<< privatized system.

has to meet parental expectation as well a profit needs. The comparisons, better ones, are the children in foster care, the elderly in private nursing homes, the mentally ill forced into private outpatient care, and the horror camps of our prisons.

I have NO idea what you're talking about - the apt comparison is any commercial entity: stores, banks, auto mechanics - if they don't do a good job, you fire them and go down the street to their competitor, and they KNOW you can do that. There's no "going down the street" with the effective government school monopoly - and they know that, too. Hence, their miserable efforts.

You don't give a damn about the client or competition, you just want the $$$ and screw the product.

You don't know me - how could you possibly know what I want?

 

[Oddball]

Try Finland, Tank.

What's the population base in Finland, Mr. Fake?

 

[Oddball]

The US spends a lot more than most countries on education, and for paltry results. Years ago, we could "afford" an incompetent government school system, because we had no competition in the world. That world is gone - we compete with a unified europe and increasingly india and the PRC. We can no longer be held back by a failed system.

The current government school system is a hundred years old and way obsolete. The liberals have turned US schools into madrassas-lite with political indoctrination. They are bloated with administrators. They retain incompetent older teachers because of the seniority system. They are way overpaid. They've failed at their job.

A universal privatized system would bring the efficiencies of the market to a sector that badly needs it. The fossilized administrative structure would be a thing of the past. Teachers would have to make good or hit the bricks. Excellent teachers might earn far more than they do now. Schools would become accountable to their customers - parents. Students would no longer be guinea pigs for pedagogical gimmicks like "whole language".

Non-poor parents should pay their own education bills - there's no reason at all why working people should have to subsidize middle class parents in this area with their taxes.

why? so only rich people can go to school??

No more or less than only rich people feed, house and clothe their children.

Doesn't playing the class envy card ever get old?

schools are not businesses and shouldn't be run as businesses.

They aren't and that's why the shitty ones never go out of business.

A situation that would be remedied under a fee-for-service model.

Moreover, the parents would have some *ahem* skin in the game, insofar as seeing to it that they got educational value for their dollar.

 

[Patrick2]

Moreover, the parents would have some *ahem* skin in the game, insofar as seeing to it that they got educational value for their dollar.

That's a key point. When parents have to PAY, even the ones now who appear not to care about the systemic reasons for their children's poor education will probably sit up and pay attention.