NBC omits "under God"

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Well I'm not sure about that, but I am sure it was done intentionally, as did Obama. I have to question why, surely they know this is going to inflame a lot of people. And for what? You know what, I think it comes down to arrogance, an eliteist position of gov't over God. It's deliberately done with condescension and shows a lack of respect for any other view but thir own.

It has nothing to do with ‘elitism’ or ‘arrogance.’

And no one’s advocating ‘government over god,’ simply that the Establishment Clause be followed per the Framers’ intent: that there be no conjoining of church and State.

But that’s not what’s at issue, ironically – NBC and its parent company are private sector entities; they’re completely free to do what they please or not with regard to religion. Where’s the conservative dogma that private corporations should be free to do as they please?

It's like we don't care what you think, if you don't agree then you're wrong and should be ignored or at least discounted.

Actually, that sounds more conservative than anything else.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

The pledge is an oath to the country not god. The rights you enjoy are the rights of being an american.

So rights are derived from the state? Without the state, we would have no rights?

Without government, who is there to enforce any rights you have?

Me silly. We are all endowed by our creator with certain inalienable rights to LIFE, LIBERTY, and PROPERTY (AKA Persuit of happiness).

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on whats for dinner, liberty is a well armed lamb contesting that outcome. -Benjamin Franklin.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Where is your proof that the pledge was a real time performance? As far as I know, it was a prerecorded editted piece. This negates your argument entirely.

I worded my answer ambiguously, I apologize. They didn't edit it "accidentally" - but they didn't edit out "under god" because they hate Christians, they did it for time.

Yes, because that took a whole 0.33 seconds of air time and they needed to fit another three flags into the piece instead.

I backed up my comments with a letter NBC. Can you do the same?

Where in that letter did NBC say that they edited out "under god" because they hate Christians?

Unless I missed something, that doesn't back up your claims at all.

 

[Flopper]

During sunday's US Open golf tournament, NBC ran a segment where they showed kids reciting the pledge of allegiance, which was great. But they edited out the "under God" words, similar to what president Obama himself did awhile back in a speech I think. They got a lot of blowback from irrate viewers complaining about the omission, so they apologized saying it was not done to upset anyone.

Well I'm not sure about that, but I am sure it was done intentionally, as did Obama. I have to question why, surely they know this is going to inflame a lot of people. And for what? You know what, I think it comes down to arrogance, an eliteist position of gov't over God. It's deliberately done with condescension and shows a lack of respect for any other view but thir own. It's like we don't care what you think, if you don't agree then you're wrong and should be ignored or at least discounted.

If it was done intentionally, I doubt NBC would have apologized, which they did.

"In a statement during the broadcast, NBC commentator Dan Hicks said, "We began our coverage of this final round just about three hours ago and when we did it was our intent to begin the coverage of this U.S. Open Championship with a feature that captured the patriotism of our national championship being held in our nation's capital for the third time.
"Regrettably, a portion of the Pledge of Allegiance that was in that feature was edited out. It was not done to upset anyone and we'd like to apologize to those of you who were offended by it."

You righties know this has to be true because this came from Fox News. More much ado about nothing!
NBC Apologizes for Omitting 'Under God' From Pledge During U.S. Open Broadcast - FoxNews.com
Read more: NBC Apologizes for Omitting 'Under God' From Pledge During U.S. Open Broadcast - FoxNews.com

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

They left out 'indivisible' as well, so it looks like the mistake of the editor of the piece.

Judging by the response of some in this thread, it appears many have very thin skins and are easy to offend.

If you believe that this was a simple editing mistake, you have absolutely no idea of the people running NBC--for that matter television in general. These people openly admit there hostility for religion.

NBC is "run" by CEO Steven Burke, a Christian and a Republican.

Lets see what MSNBC's CEO has to say about what you just said

Phil Griffin:

Phil Griffin: ‘MSNBC Stands For Something …Is Really The Place To Go For Progressives’

OH SNAP

 

[saveliberty]

I worded my answer ambiguously, I apologize. They didn't edit it "accidentally" - but they didn't edit out "under god" because they hate Christians, they did it for time.

Yes, because that took a whole 0.33 seconds of air time and they needed to fit another three flags into the piece instead.

I backed up my comments with a letter NBC. Can you do the same?

Where in that letter did NBC say that they edited out "under god" because they hate Christians?

Unless I missed something, that doesn't back up your claims at all.

You did miss something. The editors wished to highlight patriotism at the price of sacrificing under God. They got called on it and admitted it was wrong. Your playing word games at this point and not very well.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Nowhere in that piece does anyone say it was done "on purpose".

Have you had any experience with video editing?

So they accidentally made the decision.

More accurately, they edited it to fit the time, not realizing the hysterics that would come from it, from rapid, obsessive politic-religious nutjobs.

The "NBC hates Christians" meme is pretty much the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Say 2 words for me "Under god"

how long did that take 1, 2, maybe 3 seconds? Way to save that time in a 3+ hour broadcast Your excuse is like your avatar shit.

 

[Woyzeck]

NBC admitted the editing was on purpose, by a small group of decisionmakers, and it was wrong.

Hrm? Link please.

In a letter it is sending to viewers who complained, NBC says the decision to edit the Pledge of Allegiance in a piece teeing off its U.S. Open Golf coverage was a "bad decision" made by a "small group of people," and that the controversy it created was justifiable.

From the letter:

Unfortunately, when producing the piece - which was intended to capitalize on the patriotism of having our national championship played in our nation's capital - a decision was made by a small group of people to edit portions of the Pledge of Allegiance. This was a bad decision.

NBC Says Cutting Pledge During U.S. Open Was Bad Decision - 2011-06-20 19:09:59 | Broadcasting & Cable

Quite interesting, and not surprising. Like Doc is saying, at worst they took it out for time, and doesn't indicate anything deserving of the outrage this thread has produced.

They also took out 'one nation', and 'indivisible'. But no one here seems upset enough to make that a legitimate issues.

 

[Sherry]

During sunday's US Open golf tournament, NBC ran a segment where they showed kids reciting the pledge of allegiance, which was great. But they edited out the "under God" words, similar to what president Obama himself did awhile back in a speech I think. They got a lot of blowback from irrate viewers complaining about the omission, so they apologized saying it was not done to upset anyone.

Well I'm not sure about that, but I am sure it was done intentionally, as did Obama. I have to question why, surely they know this is going to inflame a lot of people. And for what? You know what, I think it comes down to arrogance, an eliteist position of gov't over God. It's deliberately done with condescension and shows a lack of respect for any other view but thir own. It's like we don't care what you think, if you don't agree then you're wrong and should be ignored or at least discounted.

If it was done intentionally, I doubt NBC would have apologized, which they did.

"In a statement during the broadcast, NBC commentator Dan Hicks said, "We began our coverage of this final round just about three hours ago and when we did it was our intent to begin the coverage of this U.S. Open Championship with a feature that captured the patriotism of our national championship being held in our nation's capital for the third time.
"Regrettably, a portion of the Pledge of Allegiance that was in that feature was edited out. It was not done to upset anyone and we'd like to apologize to those of you who were offended by it."

You righties know this has to be true because this came from Fox News. More much ado about nothing!
NBC Apologizes for Omitting 'Under God' From Pledge During U.S. Open Broadcast - FoxNews.com
Read more: NBC Apologizes for Omitting 'Under God' From Pledge During U.S. Open Broadcast - FoxNews.com

Go ahead and give them the benefit of the doubt....but I just think it was smart PR on their part to make such a statement.

 

[Flopper]

The Pledge of Allegiance

The Pledge of Allegiance was written in August 1892 by the socialist minister Francis Bellamy (1855-1931). It was originally published in The Youth's Companion on September 8, 1892. Bellamy had hoped that the pledge would be used by citizens in any country.

In its original form it read:

"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

Don't forget the Bellamy salute

Well, Bellamy got his wish. The Nazis used it.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I worded my answer ambiguously, I apologize. They didn't edit it "accidentally" - but they didn't edit out "under god" because they hate Christians, they did it for time.

ROFL

You can't POSSIBLY have typed that with a straight face....

"I only came in your mouth because I didn't have TIME to pull out - HONEST"

 

[Dr Grump]

This goes under one of those non threads..

I don't sing our national anthem because it mentions god, too..

Each to their own I reckon...

 

[Flopper]

During sunday's US Open golf tournament, NBC ran a segment where they showed kids reciting the pledge of allegiance, which was great. But they edited out the "under God" words, similar to what president Obama himself did awhile back in a speech I think. They got a lot of blowback from irrate viewers complaining about the omission, so they apologized saying it was not done to upset anyone.

Well I'm not sure about that, but I am sure it was done intentionally, as did Obama. I have to question why, surely they know this is going to inflame a lot of people. And for what? You know what, I think it comes down to arrogance, an eliteist position of gov't over God. It's deliberately done with condescension and shows a lack of respect for any other view but thir own. It's like we don't care what you think, if you don't agree then you're wrong and should be ignored or at least discounted.

If it was done intentionally, I doubt NBC would have apologized, which they did.

"In a statement during the broadcast, NBC commentator Dan Hicks said, "We began our coverage of this final round just about three hours ago and when we did it was our intent to begin the coverage of this U.S. Open Championship with a feature that captured the patriotism of our national championship being held in our nation's capital for the third time.
"Regrettably, a portion of the Pledge of Allegiance that was in that feature was edited out. It was not done to upset anyone and we'd like to apologize to those of you who were offended by it."

You righties know this has to be true because this came from Fox News. More much ado about nothing!
NBC Apologizes for Omitting 'Under God' From Pledge During U.S. Open Broadcast - FoxNews.com
Read more: NBC Apologizes for Omitting 'Under God' From Pledge During U.S. Open Broadcast - FoxNews.com

Go ahead and give them the benefit of the doubt....but I just think it was smart PR on their part to make such a statement.

If they were trying to make a statement by omitting it, then why would they apologize. That doesn't make sense.

 

[Dr Grump]

Pledge of Allegiance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It was added by congress, with popular support. Nothing wrong there.

Doesn't make it right either...freedom from religion and all that.....

 

[Sherry]

If it was done intentionally, I doubt NBC would have apologized, which they did.

"In a statement during the broadcast, NBC commentator Dan Hicks said, "We began our coverage of this final round just about three hours ago and when we did it was our intent to begin the coverage of this U.S. Open Championship with a feature that captured the patriotism of our national championship being held in our nation's capital for the third time.
"Regrettably, a portion of the Pledge of Allegiance that was in that feature was edited out. It was not done to upset anyone and we'd like to apologize to those of you who were offended by it."

You righties know this has to be true because this came from Fox News. More much ado about nothing!
NBC Apologizes for Omitting 'Under God' From Pledge During U.S. Open Broadcast - FoxNews.com
Read more: NBC Apologizes for Omitting 'Under God' From Pledge During U.S. Open Broadcast - FoxNews.com

Go ahead and give them the benefit of the doubt....but I just think it was smart PR on their part to make such a statement.

If they were trying to make a statement by omitting it, then why would they apologize. That doesn't make sense.

To save face....now stop playing dumb.

 

[jillian]

So they accidentally made the decision.

More accurately, they edited it to fit the time, not realizing the hysterics that would come from it, from rapid, obsessive politic-religious nutjobs.

The "NBC hates Christians" meme is pretty much the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Say 2 words for me "Under god"

how long did that take 1, 2, maybe 3 seconds? Way to save that time in a 3+ hour broadcast Your excuse is like your avatar shit.

either way.. who cares? other than the religious right??

and honestly, i don't care what the religious right thinks.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

I worded my answer ambiguously, I apologize. They didn't edit it "accidentally" - but they didn't edit out "under god" because they hate Christians, they did it for time.

ROFL

You can't POSSIBLY have typed that with a straight face....

"I only came in your mouth because I didn't have TIME to pull out - HONEST"

Whether or not you understand the English language is of no consequence to me.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

If you believe that this was a simple editing mistake, you have absolutely no idea of the people running NBC--for that matter television in general. These people openly admit there hostility for religion.

NBC is "run" by CEO Steven Burke, a Christian and a Republican.

Lets see what MSNBC's CEO has to say about what you just said

Phil Griffin:

Phil Griffin: ‘MSNBC Stands For Something …Is Really The Place To Go For Progressives’

OH SNAP

Except this thread isn't about something that happened on MSNBC, it was something that happened on NBC.

The context of my post would probably clear things up a little, I'm responding to a very specific comment.

 

[Dr Grump]

So they accidentally made the decision.

More accurately, they edited it to fit the time, not realizing the hysterics that would come from it, from rapid, obsessive politic-religious nutjobs.

The "NBC hates Christians" meme is pretty much the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Say 2 words for me "Under god"

how long did that take 1, 2, maybe 3 seconds? Way to save that time in a 3+ hour broadcast Your excuse is like your avatar shit.

Now say Allah Akbar for me and let's say for shits and giggles it is added to the end of the pledge of allegience. Still want to say those two 'little' words?

 

[theDoctorisIn]

So they accidentally made the decision.

More accurately, they edited it to fit the time, not realizing the hysterics that would come from it, from rapid, obsessive politic-religious nutjobs.

The "NBC hates Christians" meme is pretty much the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Say 2 words for me "Under god"

how long did that take 1, 2, maybe 3 seconds? Way to save that time in a 3+ hour broadcast Your excuse is like your avatar shit.

I'm disappointed in you, Pilgrim. You're normally a fairly respectful poster, and we've had some good conversations - and now you're just being a asshole.

I'm not making "excuses" - why would I make excuses for something that I couldn't care less about? Even if they did do it on purpose, as part of their secret burning hatred of Christians, I still wouldn't care.

I have a really hard time with Conservatives and Christians and their sick need to be persecuted.

Anyone with a grip on reality would see that clip, and think "oh, that was edited a bit weird".

Then there's some of you that immediately jump to WORLDWIDE ANTI-CHRISTIAN CONSPIRACY by ALL THE LIBERALS IN THE WORLD.

And the fact that you don't think 2 or 3 seconds matters when you're editing video further re-enforces my idea that you have no idea what you're talking about here.