NBC omits "under God"

[jillian]

During sunday's US Open golf tournament, NBC ran a segment where they showed kids reciting the pledge of allegiance, which was great. But they edited out the "under God" words, similar to what president Obama himself did awhile back in a speech I think. They got a lot of blowback from irrate viewers complaining about the omission, so they apologized saying it was not done to upset anyone.

Well I'm not sure about that, but I am sure it was done intentionally, as did Obama. I have to question why, surely they know this is going to inflame a lot of people. And for what? You know what, I think it comes down to arrogance, an eliteist position of gov't over God. It's deliberately done with condescension and shows a lack of respect for any other view but thir own. It's like we don't care what you think, if you don't agree then you're wrong and should be ignored or at least discounted.

i don't recall the president doing that. what i do recall is him not putting his hand over his heart during the national anthem (something i've never done, but there ya go).

as for the words "under G-d", they were never in the pledge until the McCarthy Era because that's how the commie hunters wanted to weed out commies.

I wouldn't lose a lot of sleep over it either way.

 

[Uncensored2008]

NBC is free to air what it wants too. Or is it your position to force NBC to air the "Under God, indivisable.." verse/line.

It's my position that what NBC broadcasts falls under the heading of "party propaganda" rather than news, thus invalidating the FCC license they hold.

But this was a sports show, so not relevant to that. NBC are a bunch of morons - and shot themselves in the foot -- AGAIN...

 

[Wiseacre]

During sunday's US Open golf tournament, NBC ran a segment where they showed kids reciting the pledge of allegiance, which was great. But they edited out the "under God" words, similar to what president Obama himself did awhile back in a speech I think. They got a lot of blowback from irrate viewers complaining about the omission, so they apologized saying it was not done to upset anyone.

Well I'm not sure about that, but I am sure it was done intentionally, as did Obama. I have to question why, surely they know this is going to inflame a lot of people. And for what? You know what, I think it comes down to arrogance, an eliteist position of gov't over God. It's deliberately done with condescension and shows a lack of respect for any other view but thir own. It's like we don't care what you think, if you don't agree then you're wrong and should be ignored or at least discounted.

i don't recall the president doing that. what i do recall is him not putting his hand over his heart during the national anthem (something i've never done, but there ya go).

as for the words "under G-d", they were never in the pledge until the McCarthy Era because that's how the commie hunters wanted to weed out commies.

I wouldn't lose a lot of sleep over it either way.

Below was the incident I had in mind, got it wrong specifically but not generally. Is it a big deal, the NBC thing or this? In the overall scope of things we have to deal with today, probably not. I don't care if Obama is religious or not, although I will say I don't like the hypocrisy of it, saying one thing and being another. But don't be editing the Pledge, or misquoting the Declaration on purpose to make a poliical point. And don't be telling me is was a mistake, these people know damn well what the words are and they should get it right or not say it at all.


Back in Sept 2010:

File this under the pseudo-Christian column. President Obama concluded his speech at this week’s Congressional Hispanic Caucus Institute gala with,

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, endowed with certain inalienable rights, life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

The U.S. Declaration of Independence reads,

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

 

[RDD_1210]

I like it. Separation of Church and State. But then again, I don't really care if you leave it in. One way or another it means nothing.

I don't think it's really about separation of church and state, it's about retraining most Americans to believe their basic human rights come from the gov't. It's the progressive liberal pov, we gave you those rights and we can take 'em away.

Even if you do not believe in God, your basic rights are not derived from the gov't, they are your birthright.

The pledge is an oath to the country not god. The rights you enjoy are the rights of being an american.

 

[Synthaholic]

During sunday's US Open golf tournament, NBC ran a segment where they showed kids reciting the pledge of allegiance, which was great. But they edited out the "under God" words, similar to what president Obama himself did awhile back in a speech I think. They got a lot of blowback from irrate viewers complaining about the omission, so they apologized saying it was not done to upset anyone.

Well I'm not sure about that, but I am sure it was done intentionally, as did Obama. I have to question why, surely they know this is going to inflame a lot of people. And for what? You know what, I think it comes down to arrogance, an eliteist position of gov't over God. It's deliberately done with condescension and shows a lack of respect for any other view but thir own. It's like we don't care what you think, if you don't agree then you're wrong and should be ignored or at least discounted.

Who gives a shit?

 

[Uncensored2008]

The pledge is an oath to the country not god. The rights you enjoy are the rights of being an american.

So rights are derived from the state? Without the state, we would have no rights?

 

[Bfgrn]

The Pledge of Allegiance

The Pledge of Allegiance was written in August 1892 by the socialist minister Francis Bellamy (1855-1931). It was originally published in The Youth's Companion on September 8, 1892. Bellamy had hoped that the pledge would be used by citizens in any country.

In its original form it read:

"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

Don't forget the Bellamy salute

 

[RDD_1210]

The pledge is an oath to the country not god. The rights you enjoy are the rights of being an american.

So rights are derived from the state? Without the state, we would have no rights?

Without government, who is there to enforce any rights you have?

 

[saveliberty]

They also left out indivisible. Does this mean NBC is promoting secession?

No, it is an editor that cut a little more than needed. How can you ‘accidently’ edit something out if you were not editing it at all. They had to have been purposefully editing something at that point and I doubt it was indivisible. I do wonder what they were trying to accomplish though. I cannot seem to think that anyone would knowingly do this as it gains them nothing and WILL be noticed. Apparently, there are millions of people out there that have nothing to do.

You can accidentally edit something out, because that bit with the pledge they ran didn't just assemble (i.e., edit) itself magically. Someone (an editor) had to put all the video, and the audio. The intro had a lot of shots of stuff to include, as well as the patriotic music, the pledge and the narration for the golf tournament intro. Not to mention, they were splitting up the pledge for other stuff in between. There's a solider giving some shout or order where the missing part of the pledge should be. Editing this stuff ain't easy.

I should think more people would be angry over indivisible getting edited out accidentally. But I guess some people are okay with us being divisible.

NBC admitted the editing was on purpose, by a small group of decisionmakers, and it was wrong.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

They left out 'indivisible' as well, so it looks like the mistake of the editor of the piece.

Judging by the response of some in this thread, it appears many have very thin skins and are easy to offend.

If you believe that this was a simple editing mistake, you have absolutely no idea of the people running NBC--for that matter television in general. These people openly admit there hostility for religion.

NBC is "run" by CEO Steven Burke, a Christian and a Republican.

 

[Woyzeck]

No, it is an editor that cut a little more than needed. How can you ‘accidently’ edit something out if you were not editing it at all. They had to have been purposefully editing something at that point and I doubt it was indivisible. I do wonder what they were trying to accomplish though. I cannot seem to think that anyone would knowingly do this as it gains them nothing and WILL be noticed. Apparently, there are millions of people out there that have nothing to do.

You can accidentally edit something out, because that bit with the pledge they ran didn't just assemble (i.e., edit) itself magically. Someone (an editor) had to put all the video, and the audio. The intro had a lot of shots of stuff to include, as well as the patriotic music, the pledge and the narration for the golf tournament intro. Not to mention, they were splitting up the pledge for other stuff in between. There's a solider giving some shout or order where the missing part of the pledge should be. Editing this stuff ain't easy.

I should think more people would be angry over indivisible getting edited out accidentally. But I guess some people are okay with us being divisible.

NBC admitted the editing was on purpose, by a small group of decisionmakers, and it was wrong.

Hrm? Link please.

 

[saveliberty]

You can accidentally edit something out, because that bit with the pledge they ran didn't just assemble (i.e., edit) itself magically. Someone (an editor) had to put all the video, and the audio. The intro had a lot of shots of stuff to include, as well as the patriotic music, the pledge and the narration for the golf tournament intro. Not to mention, they were splitting up the pledge for other stuff in between. There's a solider giving some shout or order where the missing part of the pledge should be. Editing this stuff ain't easy.

I should think more people would be angry over indivisible getting edited out accidentally. But I guess some people are okay with us being divisible.

NBC admitted the editing was on purpose, by a small group of decisionmakers, and it was wrong.

Hrm? Link please.

In a letter it is sending to viewers who complained, NBC says the decision to edit the Pledge of Allegiance in a piece teeing off its U.S. Open Golf coverage was a "bad decision" made by a "small group of people," and that the controversy it created was justifiable.

From the letter:

Unfortunately, when producing the piece - which was intended to capitalize on the patriotism of having our national championship played in our nation's capital - a decision was made by a small group of people to edit portions of the Pledge of Allegiance. This was a bad decision.

NBC Says Cutting Pledge During U.S. Open Was Bad Decision - 2011-06-20 19:09:59 | Broadcasting & Cable

 

[theDoctorisIn]

NBC admitted the editing was on purpose, by a small group of decisionmakers, and it was wrong.

Hrm? Link please.

In a letter it is sending to viewers who complained, NBC says the decision to edit the Pledge of Allegiance in a piece teeing off its U.S. Open Golf coverage was a "bad decision" made by a "small group of people," and that the controversy it created was justifiable.

From the letter:

Unfortunately, when producing the piece - which was intended to capitalize on the patriotism of having our national championship played in our nation's capital - a decision was made by a small group of people to edit portions of the Pledge of Allegiance. This was a bad decision.

NBC Says Cutting Pledge During U.S. Open Was Bad Decision - 2011-06-20 19:09:59 | Broadcasting & Cable

Nowhere in that piece does anyone say it was done "on purpose".

Have you had any experience with video editing?

 

[saveliberty]

Hrm? Link please.

In a letter it is sending to viewers who complained, NBC says the decision to edit the Pledge of Allegiance in a piece teeing off its U.S. Open Golf coverage was a "bad decision" made by a "small group of people," and that the controversy it created was justifiable.

From the letter:

Unfortunately, when producing the piece - which was intended to capitalize on the patriotism of having our national championship played in our nation's capital - a decision was made by a small group of people to edit portions of the Pledge of Allegiance. This was a bad decision.

NBC Says Cutting Pledge During U.S. Open Was Bad Decision - 2011-06-20 19:09:59 | Broadcasting & Cable

Nowhere in that piece does anyone say it was done "on purpose".

Have you had any experience with video editing?

Where is your proof that the pledge was a real time performance? As far as I know, it was a prerecorded editted piece. This negates your argument entirely.

 

[Sherry]

Hrm? Link please.

In a letter it is sending to viewers who complained, NBC says the decision to edit the Pledge of Allegiance in a piece teeing off its U.S. Open Golf coverage was a "bad decision" made by a "small group of people," and that the controversy it created was justifiable.

From the letter:

Unfortunately, when producing the piece - which was intended to capitalize on the patriotism of having our national championship played in our nation's capital - a decision was made by a small group of people to edit portions of the Pledge of Allegiance. This was a bad decision.

NBC Says Cutting Pledge During U.S. Open Was Bad Decision - 2011-06-20 19:09:59 | Broadcasting & Cable

Nowhere in that piece does anyone say it was done "on purpose".

Have you had any experience with video editing?

So they accidentally made the decision.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

In a letter it is sending to viewers who complained, NBC says the decision to edit the Pledge of Allegiance in a piece teeing off its U.S. Open Golf coverage was a "bad decision" made by a "small group of people," and that the controversy it created was justifiable.

From the letter:

Unfortunately, when producing the piece - which was intended to capitalize on the patriotism of having our national championship played in our nation's capital - a decision was made by a small group of people to edit portions of the Pledge of Allegiance. This was a bad decision.

NBC Says Cutting Pledge During U.S. Open Was Bad Decision - 2011-06-20 19:09:59 | Broadcasting & Cable

Nowhere in that piece does anyone say it was done "on purpose".

Have you had any experience with video editing?

So they accidentally made the decision.

More accurately, they edited it to fit the time, not realizing the hysterics that would come from it, from rapid, obsessive politic-religious nutjobs.

The "NBC hates Christians" meme is pretty much the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

 

[saveliberty]

"In a montage of students reciting the pledge, intercut with images of flags, soldiers and monuments from nearby Washington that aired early Sunday afternoon (June 19), omitted was the phrase "under God" (as well as "one nation" and "indivisible")." - from article above

Care to explain how they video editted the above in real time? It was prerecorded. Also, just stop and think about the time lapse between an opening ceremony like this and tee off times for the match. Clearly done ahead of time.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

In a letter it is sending to viewers who complained, NBC says the decision to edit the Pledge of Allegiance in a piece teeing off its U.S. Open Golf coverage was a "bad decision" made by a "small group of people," and that the controversy it created was justifiable.

From the letter:

Unfortunately, when producing the piece - which was intended to capitalize on the patriotism of having our national championship played in our nation's capital - a decision was made by a small group of people to edit portions of the Pledge of Allegiance. This was a bad decision.

NBC Says Cutting Pledge During U.S. Open Was Bad Decision - 2011-06-20 19:09:59 | Broadcasting & Cable

Nowhere in that piece does anyone say it was done "on purpose".

Have you had any experience with video editing?

Where is your proof that the pledge was a real time performance? As far as I know, it was a prerecorded editted piece. This negates your argument entirely.

I worded my answer ambiguously, I apologize. They didn't edit it "accidentally" - but they didn't edit out "under god" because they hate Christians, they did it for time.

 

[saveliberty]

Nowhere in that piece does anyone say it was done "on purpose".

Have you had any experience with video editing?

Where is your proof that the pledge was a real time performance? As far as I know, it was a prerecorded editted piece. This negates your argument entirely.

I worded my answer ambiguously, I apologize. They didn't edit it "accidentally" - but they didn't edit out "under god" because they hate Christians, they did it for time.

Yes, because that took a whole 0.33 seconds of air time and they needed to fit another three flags into the piece instead.

I backed up my comments with a letter NBC. Can you do the same?

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

I like it. Separation of Church and State. But then again, I don't really care if you leave it in. One way or another it means nothing.

I don't think it's really about separation of church and state, it's about retraining most Americans to believe their basic human rights come from the gov't. It's the progressive liberal pov, we gave you those rights and we can take 'em away.

Even if you do not believe in God, your basic rights are not derived from the gov't, they are your birthright.

we are born with rights grandted by GOD, not the government. The constition is there to PREVENT the federal government from infringing on those rights by telling it what it can NOT do.

And if your an athiest think of it this way. You have rights granted by virtue of being a human, not by virtue of being an american and the constition is there to limit the federal govt from infringing on those rights.