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You in the market for scapegoats now, Seal? It appears that when people need a scapegoat, they always choose one of the smallest groups in the world; and since the Jews are small in number compared to those in other religions, they seem to be the favorite scapegoats. As far as seeing swastikas, do you happen to know who is responsible for this, Seal? Perhaps some NeoNazis or skinheads drove down from the Seattle area.Put up or shut up. If those quotes are taken out of context to change their meaning or intent, then put it up, otherwise shut the anti semetic pie hole with the "Jews have been outcasts" garbage that is straight out of some Islamist or neo Nazi rally.five or six out of context quotes, no matter by whom, prove nothing.
there was a time, when most of the world's scientists believed the sun revolved around the earth. the earth did not begin to revolve around the sun just because keppler and galileo said it did.
i find it a bit ironic, although certainly not entirely unexpected from a person of your caliber that, on a topic questioning the accuracy and context of some quotes you have produced, you would respond by taking one of my posts out of context and twist it to serve your ends.
here is exactly what i said..."why are jews always the outcasts, or so they allege, in every community to which they move..."
the "they" in the above does not refer to "some islamist or neo-nazi rally" but instead to organisations such as the World Jewish Congress and the Anti-Defamation League, to name a couple among many, who see swastikas in children's galoshes ads and nazi storm troopers in cloud formations.
bluster may serve briefly as a substitute for intelligence but it wears thin quickly. yours is become quite threadbare.
I'm still trying to figure out how those quotes are "out of context."
Does the anti-Israel brigade believe that each of them was followed by "April fools!"?
Again I say, put up or shut up: if those quotes were taken out of context, go ahead and show us. I just don't see how those individuals making those quotes could have meant it any different than the quotes represent.
Ha ha ha. Exactly. Did this Syrian Arab leader then go ahead and say, "well actually there is a Palestine, I didn't mean that"I'm still trying to figure out how those quotes are "out of context."
Does the anti-Israel brigade believe that each of them was followed by "April fools!"?
Your intent is to debunk them and you can't. They are available as is on various legitimate websites. Why is it hard for you to accept them as is?Again I say, put up or shut up: if those quotes were taken out of context, go ahead and show us. I just don't see how those individuals making those quotes could have meant it any different than the quotes represent.
How can I when I can't even locate the complete quote as I pointed out in a previous post.
Your intent is to debunk them and you can't. They are available as is on various legitimate websites. Why is it hard for you to accept them as is?Again I say, put up or shut up: if those quotes were taken out of context, go ahead and show us. I just don't see how those individuals making those quotes could have meant it any different than the quotes represent.
How can I when I can't even locate the complete quote as I pointed out in a previous post.
You came out of the gate with your first post in this thread, claiming the quotes must be wrong or out of context. So who's crying now? if you think you have a right to context look for it yourself. They seem to be pretty convincing to those who do not have a bias like you.Your intent is to debunk them and you can't. They are available as is on various legitimate websites. Why is it hard for you to accept them as is?How can I when I can't even locate the complete quote as I pointed out in a previous post.
My intent is not really to debunk them - but to state that trying to make a point by using quotes without context is senseless. The 3 I looked for can't even be found other than on anti-Palestinian propaganda sites so how can they be debunked/critiqued or agreed with?
You laugh at the need for context yet, you cry context when it's an anti-Israeli quote.
Context matters if you truly want to have a discussion. That's my opinion and I have a right to it
Sand's explanation of the birth of the "myth" of a Jewish people as a group with a common, ethnic origin has been summarized as follows: "[a]t a certain stage in the 19th century intellectuals of Jewish origin in Germany, influenced by the folk character of German nationalism, took upon themselves the task of inventing a people "retrospectively," out of a thirst to create a modern Jewish people. From historian Heinrich Graetz on, Jewish historians began to draw the history of Judaism as the history of a nation that had been a kingdom, became a wandering people and ultimately turned around and went back to its birthplace."[16]
In this, Sand writes, they were similar to other nationalist movements in Europe at the time that sought the reassurance of a Golden Age in their past to prove they have existed as a separate people since the beginnings of history. Jewish people found theirs in what he calls "the mythical Kingdom of David". Before this invention, he says, Jews thought of themselves as Jews because they shared a common religion, not a common ethnic background.[16]
You came out of the gate with your first post in this thread, claiming the quotes must be wrong or out of context. So who's crying now? if you think you have a right to context look for it yourself. They seem to be pretty convincing to those who do not have a bias like you.Your intent is to debunk them and you can't. They are available as is on various legitimate websites. Why is it hard for you to accept them as is?
My intent is not really to debunk them - but to state that trying to make a point by using quotes without context is senseless. The 3 I looked for can't even be found other than on anti-Palestinian propaganda sites so how can they be debunked/critiqued or agreed with?
You laugh at the need for context yet, you cry context when it's an anti-Israeli quote.
Context matters if you truly want to have a discussion. That's my opinion and I have a right to it
What you've got is a list of partial quotes without any context. What sort of source is Im Nin'alu
How is that different than the contextless anti-Israeli quotes we see about wiping out Palestinians?
The Palestinians exist here and now - what difference does it make how they came to be or how recent?
What is the arbritary date by which a people can become a people?
I'm still trying to figure out how those quotes are "out of context."
Does the anti-Israel brigade believe that each of them was followed by "April fools!"?
Off topic! Perhaps you didn't look properly and what you found didn't suit your prejudices?
Philip Khuri Hitti - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Hitti was educated at an American Presbyterian mission school at Suq al-Gharb and at the American University of Beirut. After graduating in 1908 he taught at the American University of Beirut before moving to Columbia University where he taught Semitic languages and got his PhD in 1915. After World War I he returned to American University of Beirut and taught there until 1926. In February 1926 he was offered a Chair at Princeton University which he held until he retired in 1954. He was both Professor of Semitic Literature and Chairman of the Department of Oriental Languages. After formal retirement he accepted a position at Harvard. He also taught in the summer schools at the University of Utah and George Washington University in Washington, D.C. He subsequently held a research position at the University of Minnesota. Philip Hitti almost single handedly created the discipline of Arabic Studies in the United States.
In 1944 before a U. S. House committee, Hitti gave testimony in support of the view that there was no historical justification for a Jewish homeland in Palestine. His testimony was reprinted in the Princeton Herald. In response, Albert Einstein and his friend and colleague Erich Kahler jointly replied in the same newspaper with their counter-arguments. Hitti then published a response and Einstein and Kahler concluded the debate in the Princeton Herald with their second response.[1] In 1945 Hitti served as an adviser to the Iraqi delegation at the San Francisco Conference which established the United Nations. In 1946, Hitti was the first Arab-American witness at the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry on Palestine. Bartley Crum, an American member of the committee, recalled that Hitti.. explained that there was actually no such entity as Palestine- never had been; it was historically part of Syria, and "the Sunday schools have done a great deal of harm to us because by smearing the walls of classrooms with maps of Palestine, they associate it with the Jews in the minds of the average American and Englishman"... He asserted that Zionism.. was an imposition on the Arabs of alien way of life which they resented and to which they would never submit.[2]
Hitti was a distant relative of Christa McAuliffe, a teacher-astronaut who was killed in the Space Shuttle Challenger disaster on January 28, 1986.[3] McAuliffe's mother was Hitti's niece.
Your intent is to debunk them and you can't. They are available as is on various legitimate websites. Why is it hard for you to accept them as is?Again I say, put up or shut up: if those quotes were taken out of context, go ahead and show us. I just don't see how those individuals making those quotes could have meant it any different than the quotes represent.
How can I when I can't even locate the complete quote as I pointed out in a previous post.
How does it change the meaning? He said there is no Palestinian people or entity ever. It's a Zionist invention. Aren't you the one that keeps telling us about this historic Palestinian people with all sorts of rights to land that the "Jews stole"? Here's one Arab historian that disagrees with you totally. No objections? Great. Ha ha ha ha.Off topic! Perhaps you didn't look properly and what you found didn't suit your prejudices?
Topic title: Myths, Hypotheses and Facts Concerning the Origin of Peoples
Philip Khuri Hitti - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Hitti was educated at an American Presbyterian mission school at Suq al-Gharb and at the American University of Beirut. After graduating in 1908 he taught at the American University of Beirut before moving to Columbia University where he taught Semitic languages and got his PhD in 1915. After World War I he returned to American University of Beirut and taught there until 1926. In February 1926 he was offered a Chair at Princeton University which he held until he retired in 1954. He was both Professor of Semitic Literature and Chairman of the Department of Oriental Languages. After formal retirement he accepted a position at Harvard. He also taught in the summer schools at the University of Utah and George Washington University in Washington, D.C. He subsequently held a research position at the University of Minnesota. Philip Hitti almost single handedly created the discipline of Arabic Studies in the United States.
In 1944 before a U. S. House committee, Hitti gave testimony in support of the view that there was no historical justification for a Jewish homeland in Palestine. His testimony was reprinted in the Princeton Herald. In response, Albert Einstein and his friend and colleague Erich Kahler jointly replied in the same newspaper with their counter-arguments. Hitti then published a response and Einstein and Kahler concluded the debate in the Princeton Herald with their second response.[1] In 1945 Hitti served as an adviser to the Iraqi delegation at the San Francisco Conference which established the United Nations. In 1946, Hitti was the first Arab-American witness at the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry on Palestine. Bartley Crum, an American member of the committee, recalled that Hitti.. explained that there was actually no such entity as Palestine- never had been; it was historically part of Syria, and "the Sunday schools have done a great deal of harm to us because by smearing the walls of classrooms with maps of Palestine, they associate it with the Jews in the minds of the average American and Englishman"... He asserted that Zionism.. was an imposition on the Arabs of alien way of life which they resented and to which they would never submit.[2]
Hitti was a distant relative of Christa McAuliffe, a teacher-astronaut who was killed in the Space Shuttle Challenger disaster on January 28, 1986.[3] McAuliffe's mother was Hitti's niece.
Why would I object to this?
I don't need to, you're doing a great job of it. Keep up the good work.Your intent is to debunk them and you can't. They are available as is on various legitimate websites. Why is it hard for you to accept them as is?How can I when I can't even locate the complete quote as I pointed out in a previous post.
feel free at anytime to offer your definition of "legitimate" and then, provide the sites where you got those quotes.
i can produce info from "legitimate" websites that says we have been placed on this planet from aliens from outer space.
You can't spin away Muhsein's statement.
Even you acknowledge that he said: "Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons. The establishment of a Palestinian state is a new tool to continue the fight against Israel and for Arab unity."
He admitted that the "Palestinian identity" was made up to fight against Israel.
Deal with it.
