My Oh My...

[The Rabbi]

Newsflash: Every single President since FDR has been a "war time" President.

Non sequitur. If I want a history lesson, you'll be the first guy I'll ask.

And newsflash, nobody cares about the past. We're talking present here. He was supposed to be the one who ended war. He made that clear. So, such a contradiction will not go unnoticed. Being in a long list of wartime presidents does not erase the irony of Obama's words. He wanted to buck the trend, but became part of it.

No one takes campaign promises seriously, and no one actually thought Obama was going to "end war".

Pretending that Obama exists in a vacuum - that we've never had a President before him - is a really stupid way to frame an argument. No matter how much you don't "care" about it, the past is completely relevant here.

So. . . . then. . . .

The Nobel peace prize was for what? His good looks?

Fine, I'll agree. As long as he give the award back. He's a war mongering globalist, just like the rest of them.

I'm not on the Nobel committee, so I can't say for what the Prize was awarded.

But yes, he is a war-mongering globalist, just like all the rest.

You can't say because you're an ignoramus. They cite their reasons. The real reason is because Obama wasnt George Bush.
The Nobel Peace Prize for 2009 to President Barack Obama - Press Release

 

[LoneLaugher]

Newsflash: Every single President since FDR has been a "war time" President.

Non sequitur. If I want a history lesson, you'll be the first guy I'll ask.

And newsflash, nobody cares about the past. We're talking present here. He was supposed to be the one who ended war. He made that clear. So, such a contradiction will not go unnoticed. Being in a long list of wartime presidents does not erase the irony of Obama's words. He wanted to buck the trend, but became part of it.

You began the thread with a discussion of history. Are you feeling well?

 

[LoneLaugher]

It just now hit me that in a roundabout way, Doc, you are defending him.

I guess you could look at it that way, but it's more of an aversion to bullshit than anything like support.

I don't agree with what he's doing in terms of Iraq, Syria and ISIS at all.

Of course you don't. Thank you for making my point. So, what do we do, sit home and hope ISIS doesn't cross the sea and hurt us? That kind of thinking and complacency cost the lives of 3000 people on 9/11. The fire will continue to burn until someone puts it out. Asking the Free Syrian Army to fight them is like giving a fire extinguisher to a child. The child will run from the fire in fear. In previous engagements with ISIS, that's exactly what the Free Syrian Army has done, they laid down their arms and surrendered at the very sight of them.

You are free to disagree, but I am also free to say that ISIS is a threat to the world, and someone has to stop them.

Why aren't you supporting Obama, then?

You can't have it both ways.

I do, in this respect. It was a great feat to unite the Arab world against ISIS. I back this action fully. But I can't help but note the irony of his statements. That, however does not mean I don't, or won't support him if he takes the right steps in this war.

So are you saying you support him now?

No, I think I'm being pretty clear in stating that I don't support him, nor do I support intervening (yet again) in the Middle East.

I do have to say that starting a thread to attack Obama on an issue that you actually agree with him on takes a level of cognitive dissonance that I didn't expect from you.

Seriously? You didn't expect it from him?

Of course you did.

 

[MisterBeale]

Newsflash: Every single President since FDR has been a "war time" President.

Non sequitur. If I want a history lesson, you'll be the first guy I'll ask.

And newsflash, nobody cares about the past. We're talking present here. He was supposed to be the one who ended war. He made that clear. So, such a contradiction will not go unnoticed. Being in a long list of wartime presidents does not erase the irony of Obama's words. He wanted to buck the trend, but became part of it.

No one takes campaign promises seriously, and no one actually thought Obama was going to "end war".

Pretending that Obama exists in a vacuum - that we've never had a President before him - is a really stupid way to frame an argument. No matter how much you don't "care" about it, the past is completely relevant here.

So. . . . then. . . .

The Nobel peace prize was for what? His good looks?

Fine, I'll agree. As long as he give the award back. He's a war mongering globalist, just like the rest of them.

I'm not on the Nobel committee, so I can't say for what the Prize was awarded.

But yes, he is a war-mongering globalist, just like all the rest.

You can't say because you're an ignoramus. They cite their reasons. The real reason is because Obama wasnt George Bush.
The Nobel Peace Prize for 2009 to President Barack Obama - Press Release

That's weird. I was reading an article just the other day how Russia was calling him a hypocrite. Seems that he wouldn't bomb ISIS with out the Iraqi government's OK, but, for some reason, getting the permission of the Syrian government to bomb ISIS in their territory. . . . well, that doesn't seem to be on this Nobel Peace Prize winner's agenda.
It seems that . . . .

Dialogue and negotiations are preferred as instruments for resolving even the most difficult international conflicts.

These are on the agenda when you haven't already decided the person (Bashar al-Assad) leading the nation (Syria) who is in power must already go. . . .

 

[JoeB131]

Newsflash: Every single President since FDR has been a "war time" President.

Non sequitur. If I want a history lesson, you'll be the first guy I'll ask.

And newsflash, nobody cares about the past. We're talking present here. He was supposed to be the one who ended war. He made that clear. So, such a contradiction will not go unnoticed. Being in a long list of wartime presidents does not erase the irony of Obama's words. He wanted to buck the trend, but became part of it.

Hey, Chief Runs with Scissors, if he did nothing, you'd be accusing him of ignoring threats to America. All while you sit on the safety of the Couch.

 

[JoeB131]

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Of course you don't. Thank you for making my point. So, what do we do, sit home and hope ISIS doesn't cross the sea and hurt us? That kind of thinking and complacency cost the lives of 3000 people on 9/11. The fire will continue to burn until someone puts it out. Asking the Free Syrian Army to fight them is like giving a fire extinguisher to a child. The child will run from the fire in fear. In previous engagements with ISIS, that's exactly what the Free Syrian Army has done, they laid down their arms and surrendered at the very sight of them.

You are free to disagree, but I am also free to say that ISIS is a threat to the world, and someone has to stop them.

So when are you going down to the Recruiters office to sign up?

 

[Mac1958]

We kick over a hornet's nest and this is what happens.

To make things worse, Islam is now so influential and intimidating in Europe that we can't even count on our European "allies" to help us.

The Iraqi army, decimated when Saddam fell, is useless.

The Syrian "rebels" cannot be trusted, obviously.

What a BIG. FUCKING. MESS.

.

 

[Geaux4it]

Not much of a war with no troops on the ground or US deaths...and unlike the idiot Booosh, Obama hardly started this, just going help our ARAB ALLIES finish it. Brilliantly handled.

No yet anyway, but didn't you get the memo that Obama is the biggest liar on the planet?

Expect troops on the ground and quit believing a pathological liar.

-Geaux

 

[Geaux4it]

Transparency, Review of all bills, cast out lobbyist, if you want your healthcare you can...., no boots on the ground.. so on and so forth

-Geaux

 

[LoneLaugher]

We kick over a hornet's nest and this is what happens.

To make things worse, Islam is now so influential and intimidating in Europe that we can't even count on our European "allies" to help us.

The Iraqi army, decimated when Saddam fell, is useless.

The Syrian "rebels" cannot be trusted, obviously.

What a BIG. FUCKING. MESS.

.

Your contention that Islam is "so influential and intimidating in Europe that we can't even count on our European allies to help us" is unsubstantiated in any way.

Would you like to make an attempt to support that claim? In order to do so, you will have to establish that Islam has become a driving force in European foreign policy. You'll need to cite European leaders suggesting that they are not acting in the region.......and that this is motivated by a devotion to or fear of Muslims in Europe.

Please.......

 

[NoNukes]

Newsflash: Every single President since FDR has been a "war time" President.

Non sequitur. If I want a history lesson, you'll be the first guy I'll ask.

And newsflash, nobody cares about the past. We're talking present here. He was supposed to be the one who ended war. He made that clear. So, such a contradiction will not go unnoticed. Being in a long list of wartime presidents does not erase the irony of Obama's words. He wanted to buck the trend, but became part of it.

This is why you are ignorant,

"Bush did it"

That is why you remain ignorant. You Democrats seem to care about the past a great deal.

If you ignore the past, you are bound to repeat it.

 

[francoHFW]

Obama never said he was going to end war, hater dupes and just plain dupes (Indies and Dems too), just the Iraq and Afghan ones. This is not our old war in Iraq, this is a new one- we're being begged to help, we're the heroes AGAIN rushing to help the defenseless against a-holes- and now Arabs are on our side period, the Iraq gov't now reaches out to Sunnis, Obama treats them with respect, not chickenhawk bs- ie Arabs are LEARNING, and the a-holes are on the run. That too is Peace prize stuff.