“My Brother’s Keeper” initiative

[Moonglow]

Administration officials have said the Becoming a Man program is a highly effective initiative. A study by the University of Chicago’s Crime Lab found that a year in the BAM program increased graduation rates by 10 to 23 percent and reduced violent-crime arrests by 44 percent.

This is a flyer of the program:
http://crimelab.uchicago.edu/sites/crimelab.uchicago.edu/files/uploads/BAM%20flyer.pdf

I am not sure that the message was a statement that whites had it so good. Is there anything specific that you find fault with this program?

My point is Obama as most progressives are really great at talking the talk BUT here we have a guy who says"
"It is that fundamental belief — I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper"
this while my brother lives in a $12 hut.

"He's got other issues to deal with," he says. "He's taking care of the world, so he's taking care of me."

Obama?s hut-dwelling half-brother interviewed in new movie

 

[Moonglow]

white is a color too......

 

[The Rabbi]

Blacks are not disproportionately affected by poverty and prison. Those are effects not causes. The cause is disintegration of the black family.

And doubtless this intiative will further that disintegration.

How?

Same way it always does. Programs for people in poverty tend to increase poverty, not decrease it. This will be no different.

 

[ScienceRocks]

President Obama to launch major new effort to help young minority men - The Washington Post


President Obama will launch a significant new effort Thursday to bolster the lives of young minority (BLACK) men, seeking to use the power of the presidency to help a group of Americans whose lives are disproportionately affected by poverty and prison.

The “My Brother’s Keeper” initiative will bring foundations and companies together to test a range of strategies to support such young men, taking steps to keep them in school and out of the criminal justice system, a White House official said. Obama will also announce a more vigorous program to evaluate policies and publicize results to school systems around the country.

Yea, Obama them whites are all doing so good ,how about leave black out of it and bolster the lives of all .............View attachment 29451

In the OP's failed effort to pretend he wrote his own post, he forgot to include this little tidbit:

The effort will seek “to make sure that every young man of color who is willing to work hard and lift himself up has an opportunity to get ahead and reach his full potential,”

So, racists, what part of that do you object to?


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Sounds good to me...Start with educating the youth and providing a mindset that leads towards success. Craft schools, college, and internships.

Of course the conservatives want these kids to go it alone and join that gang!

 

[Disir]

And doubtless this intiative will further that disintegration.

How?

Same way it always does. Programs for people in poverty tend to increase poverty, not decrease it. This will be no different.

From the article above:
An administration official said the “My Brother’s Keeper” effort will consist of two main parts. First, the official said, businesses and foundations will join together to test strategies aimed at “making sure children arrive at school ready to learn and reducing negative interactions with the criminal justice system.”

Second, Obama will launch an internal administration effort to more rigorously evaluate what programs work best at helping young minority males. The Education and Justice departments, for example, recently updated guidelines provided to school districts on the most effective disciplinary policies.

The following is from an article in The Hill.

The president will announce that foundations supporting the initiative have pledged at least $200 million over the next five years to “find and rapidly spread solutions that have the highest potential for impact,” the White House said.

Efforts receiving commitments will include those targeting early child development and school readiness, parenting and parent engagement, third grade literacy, and school discipline reform.

Programs helping reduce minority interactions with the criminal justice system and improve health and economic opportunities will also be among those evaluated by the task force, which has three months to design an plan for coordinating the $200 million in commitments.

Read more: Obama strives to be 'my brother?s keeper' | TheHill
Follow us: @thehill on Twitter | TheHill on Facebook

I am interested in the effectiveness and following the money. Foundations are tricky little things and should always be questioned.

At any rate, it does not at this point look to be a gubmint daddy thang.

 

[ScienceRocks]

And doubtless this intiative will further that disintegration.

How?

Same way it always does. Programs for people in poverty tend to increase poverty, not decrease it. This will be no different.

There's only a couple programs that lead towards success.
1. Internship
2. College or craft schools

These teach skills to advance on.

 

[Jarhead]

President Obama to launch major new effort to help young minority men - The Washington Post


President Obama will launch a significant new effort Thursday to bolster the lives of young minority (BLACK) men, seeking to use the power of the presidency to help a group of Americans whose lives are disproportionately affected by poverty and prison.

The “My Brother’s Keeper” initiative will bring foundations and companies together to test a range of strategies to support such young men, taking steps to keep them in school and out of the criminal justice system, a White House official said. Obama will also announce a more vigorous program to evaluate policies and publicize results to school systems around the country.

Yea, Obama them whites are all doing so good ,how about leave black out of it and bolster the lives of all .............View attachment 29451

In the OP's failed effort to pretend he wrote his own post, he forgot to include this little tidbit:

The effort will seek “to make sure that every young man of color who is willing to work hard and lift himself up has an opportunity to get ahead and reach his full potential,”

So, racists, what part of that do you object to?


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I object to the fact that it doesn't address white men who are willing to work hard and lift himself up and have an opportunity to get ahead and reach his full potential.

Do poor whiter males of single mothers not have the same roadblocks as blacks?

Are blacks different than whites?

They are?

isn't that racism in itself?

Why does it have to target just black men?

Why does BAM target ALL young people and this initiative doesn't?

 

[Jarhead]

How?

Same way it always does. Programs for people in poverty tend to increase poverty, not decrease it. This will be no different.

There's only a couple programs that lead towards success.
1. Internship
2. College or craft schools

These teach skills to advance on.

Trade schools, Not craft schools.

Learning how to make a shadowbox using construction paper will likely not lead to overall success.

 

[Londoner]

Like most things in life, follow the money. Poverty is the underlying cause of the disintegration of family and the high incarceration rates. The small percentage of blacks who slip through the gauntlet and enter the middle class end up assimilating to the American Dream, showing the ability to jump through hoops and excel at school and work. The trick is to address the social conditions that make it more likely that blacks will enter the cycle of poverty > prison.

Unfortunately, there is no way to have this discussion without addressing the fact that the Right and Left have different frameworks for interpreting the problem. The Right sees every social outcome as a matter of personal choice; they believe that discipline and sacrifice can overcome just about anything. It has been argued that the Right downplays the vast disparities that exist at the start of the race (where blacks, as a group, overwhelmingly start with less. Blacks lack easy access to education, health care and the stable home life that comes with wealth). The Left sees personal outcomes as coming from a complex causal network, of which individual choice is just one factor, albeit an important one.

During the postwar years, when taxation was at its highest, and middle-class wages had yet to be cut by corporations under pressure to raise profits, America was in the top 5 for upward mobility. It now ranks 53rd because our corporations no longer deliver a wage and benefit structure that supports upward mobility. If you asked the Right to look at the unprecedented (and never duplicated) upward mobility from the period between 1946-1976, you would get a blank stare. If you asked them what it was like for average working Americans to be able to send their kids to heavily subsidized public universities, you would get a blank stare. And then if you explained that our middle class was able to educate their children without amassing crippling debt (because government made sure the cost was low), you would get a blank stare. For them the fact that government made education affordable is socialism, but when we invest in rebuilding Iraq, it's freedom. The Left prefers to invest in our country and our middle class, because when the middle class has high wages/benefits & cheap education, they can afford to shop on Main Street, which allows Main Street to hire more workers, which puts more consumers in the economy, which results in greater revenue so that government can continue to subsidize public universities and help the next generation of middle class families climb the ladder of success. The Right sees a different world. They see all these things coming from the market, which has cut subsidies to education and made it unaffordable (-they did this while giving large oil companies windfall subsidies that turn into dynastic wealth for the few as the country crumbles). And besides, the market doesn't want to pay for an expensive, upwardly mobile middle class; the market wants cheap Chinese labor. Period. This is how investors make higher returns. My point: No matter what the issue, the Left and Right see it differently. They literally start with different facts.

Given that we Americans can't agree on the basic facts surrounding this problem - and neither group on a forum like this can offer deep research analysis - we end up merely screaming undefended conclusions as if they were common sense, so black and white that only a moron couldn't see it.

We're not making progress or trying to get the other side to understand what is rational and defensible about our conclusions, we're just yelling, spamming and trolling for our point of view.

Actually, we have a number of people who have been conditioned to believe that the way to persuade people in the public forum is to shout them down and call them idiots for not seeing our truth (which we can't defend by any other means than yelling and name calling). This is an Orwellian strategy meant to benefit the status quo. As long as the prols are fighting amongst each other, they will never mobilize against the powers that own government.

 

[The Rabbi]

How?

Same way it always does. Programs for people in poverty tend to increase poverty, not decrease it. This will be no different.

From the article above:
An administration official said the “My Brother’s Keeper” effort will consist of two main parts. First, the official said, businesses and foundations will join together to test strategies aimed at “making sure children arrive at school ready to learn and reducing negative interactions with the criminal justice system.”

Second, Obama will launch an internal administration effort to more rigorously evaluate what programs work best at helping young minority males. The Education and Justice departments, for example, recently updated guidelines provided to school districts on the most effective disciplinary policies.

The following is from an article in The Hill.

The president will announce that foundations supporting the initiative have pledged at least $200 million over the next five years to “find and rapidly spread solutions that have the highest potential for impact,” the White House said.

Efforts receiving commitments will include those targeting early child development and school readiness, parenting and parent engagement, third grade literacy, and school discipline reform.

Programs helping reduce minority interactions with the criminal justice system and improve health and economic opportunities will also be among those evaluated by the task force, which has three months to design an plan for coordinating the $200 million in commitments.

Read more: Obama strives to be 'my brother?s keeper' | TheHill
Follow us: @thehill on Twitter | TheHill on Facebook

I am interested in the effectiveness and following the money. Foundations are tricky little things and should always be questioned.

At any rate, it does not at this point look to be a gubmint daddy thang.

Now just how will they reduce interaction with the criminal justice system? This really stood out. Because people interact with it largely as a result of breaking laws. Are we going to turn a blind eye to lawbreaking? I strongly suspect that is in the cards.
You suspect foundations, which spend their own money, but not thegovernment, which spends other people's?

 

[Disir]

Like most things in life, follow the money. Poverty is the underlying cause of the disintegration of family and the high incarceration rates. The small percentage of blacks who slip through the gauntlet and enter the middle class end up assimilating to the American Dream, showing the ability to jump through hoops and excel at school and work. The trick is to address the social conditions that make it more likely that blacks will enter the cycle of poverty > prison.

There no way to have this discussion without serious statistical analysis because the Right and Left have different frameworks. The Right sees every social outcome as a matter of personal choice, and they over look the vast disparities that exist at the start of the race (where blacks, as a group, overwhelmingly start with less, and lack easy access to education, health care and the stable home life that comes with wealth). The Left sees personal outcomes as coming from a complex causal network, of which individual choice is just one factor, albeit an important one.

Given that we Americans can't agree on the basic facts surrounding this problem - and neither group on a forum like this can offer deep research analysis - we end up merely screaming undefended conclusions as if they were common sense, so black and white that only a moron couldn't see it.

We're not making progress or trying to get the other side to understand what is rational and defensible about our conclusions, we're just yelling, spamming and trolling for our point of view.

Actually, we have a number of people who have been conditioned to believe that the way to persuade people in the public forum is to shout them down and call them idiots for not seeing our truth (which we can't defend by any other means than yelling and name calling). This is an Orwellian strategy meant to benefit the status quo. As long as the prols are fighting amongst each other, they will never mobilize against the powers that own government.

Could you further explain the section above?

 

[g5000]

God forbid anyone should acknowledge the darkies are having a rougher go of it than everyone else and try to do something about it. No, we should be offended by this proposition. Offended, I tell you!

 

[The Rabbi]

Like most things in life, follow the money. Poverty is the underlying cause of the disintegration of family and the high incarceration rates. The small percentage of blacks who slip through the gauntlet and enter the middle class end up assimilating to the American Dream, showing the ability to jump through hoops and excel at school and work. The trick is to address the social conditions that make it more likely that blacks will enter the cycle of poverty > prison.

There no way to have this discussion without serious statistical analysis because the Right and Left have different frameworks. The Right sees every social outcome as a matter of personal choice, and they over look the vast disparities that exist at the start of the race (where blacks, as a group, overwhelmingly start with less, and lack easy access to education, health care and the stable home life that comes with wealth). The Left sees personal outcomes as coming from a complex causal network, of which individual choice is just one factor, albeit an important one.

Given that we Americans can't agree on the basic facts surrounding this problem - and neither group on a forum like this can offer deep research analysis - we end up merely screaming undefended conclusions as if they were common sense, so black and white that only a moron couldn't see it.

We're not making progress or trying to get the other side to understand what is rational and defensible about our conclusions, we're just yelling, spamming and trolling for our point of view.

Actually, we have a number of people who have been conditioned to believe that the way to persuade people in the public forum is to shout them down and call them idiots for not seeing our truth (which we can't defend by any other means than yelling and name calling). This is an Orwellian strategy meant to benefit the status quo. As long as the prols are fighting amongst each other, they will never mobilize against the powers that own government.

Could you further explain the section above?

He can't. Because it isn't true. People were much poorer prior to WW2. And there was less crime.

 

[The Rabbi]

God forbid anyone should acknowledge the darkies are having a rougher go of it than everyone else and try to do something about it. No, we should be offended by this proposition. Offended, I tell you!

You are a racist. I think that's in the dictionary near "redacted."

 

[cutter]

I'm sure the guy that is is so willing to ignore the law, constitution and congress and take matters into his own hands to do whatever he wants and was a self admitted slacker in school is the perfect role model to help keep some minority kids in school and out out prison.

 

[g5000]

Like most things in life, follow the money. Poverty is the underlying cause of the disintegration of family and the high incarceration rates. The small percentage of blacks who slip through the gauntlet and enter the middle class end up assimilating to the American Dream, showing the ability to jump through hoops and excel at school and work. The trick is to address the social conditions that make it more likely that blacks will enter the cycle of poverty > prison.

There no way to have this discussion without serious statistical analysis because the Right and Left have different frameworks. The Right sees every social outcome as a matter of personal choice, and they over look the vast disparities that exist at the start of the race (where blacks, as a group, overwhelmingly start with less, and lack easy access to education, health care and the stable home life that comes with wealth). The Left sees personal outcomes as coming from a complex causal network, of which individual choice is just one factor, albeit an important one.

Given that we Americans can't agree on the basic facts surrounding this problem - and neither group on a forum like this can offer deep research analysis - we end up merely screaming undefended conclusions as if they were common sense, so black and white that only a moron couldn't see it.

We're not making progress or trying to get the other side to understand what is rational and defensible about our conclusions, we're just yelling, spamming and trolling for our point of view.

Actually, we have a number of people who have been conditioned to believe that the way to persuade people in the public forum is to shout them down and call them idiots for not seeing our truth (which we can't defend by any other means than yelling and name calling). This is an Orwellian strategy meant to benefit the status quo. As long as the prols are fighting amongst each other, they will never mobilize against the powers that own government.

Could you further explain the section above?

He can't. Because it isn't true. People were much poorer prior to WW2. And there was less crime.

US homicide rate since 1900 shown below. The current homicide rate is almost as low as it was in 1910.

 

[Disir]

Like most things in life, follow the money. Poverty is the underlying cause of the disintegration of family and the high incarceration rates. The small percentage of blacks who slip through the gauntlet and enter the middle class end up assimilating to the American Dream, showing the ability to jump through hoops and excel at school and work. The trick is to address the social conditions that make it more likely that blacks will enter the cycle of poverty > prison.

There no way to have this discussion without serious statistical analysis because the Right and Left have different frameworks. The Right sees every social outcome as a matter of personal choice, and they over look the vast disparities that exist at the start of the race (where blacks, as a group, overwhelmingly start with less, and lack easy access to education, health care and the stable home life that comes with wealth). The Left sees personal outcomes as coming from a complex causal network, of which individual choice is just one factor, albeit an important one.

Given that we Americans can't agree on the basic facts surrounding this problem - and neither group on a forum like this can offer deep research analysis - we end up merely screaming undefended conclusions as if they were common sense, so black and white that only a moron couldn't see it.

We're not making progress or trying to get the other side to understand what is rational and defensible about our conclusions, we're just yelling, spamming and trolling for our point of view.

Actually, we have a number of people who have been conditioned to believe that the way to persuade people in the public forum is to shout them down and call them idiots for not seeing our truth (which we can't defend by any other means than yelling and name calling). This is an Orwellian strategy meant to benefit the status quo. As long as the prols are fighting amongst each other, they will never mobilize against the powers that own government.

Could you further explain the section above?

He can't. Because it isn't true. People were much poorer prior to WW2. And there was less crime.

I agree with his/her statement. It is in direct opposition to this statement:

Quote: Originally Posted by Katzndogz View Post
Blacks are not disproportionately affected by poverty and prison. Those are effects not causes. The cause is disintegration of the black family.

I think that this is very important for several reasons. Primarily because it impacts the types of programs that money gets funneled into. That's huge.

 

[FJO]

"The effort will seek to make sure that every young man of color who is willing to work hard and lift himself up has an opportunity to get ahead and reach his full potential”

I would be willing and happy to support this program if the President had not felt it so important to piss on young men who are NOT "of color".

For the typically mentally challenged liberal, if he had said this:

"The effort will seek to make sure that every young man who is willing to work hard and lift himself up has an opportunity to get ahead and reach his full potential”

And especially, if he had included young WOMEN as well.

 

[Unkotare]

I guess it goes without saying what kind of shit storm would precipitate if a white president so much as hinted at such an idea for poor white folks (they do exist). How about Native Americans, who experience extraordinary levels of poverty, crime, and dependency? Better yet, how about we work on behalf of ALL Americans? How about we focus on making America itself better, stronger, wealthier, etc. instead of dividing and separating people by false, ambiguous, or deliberately divisive 'categories'? How about the President of the United States think and act like THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES?

 

[Clementine]

President Obama to launch major new effort to help young minority men - The Washington Post


President Obama will launch a significant new effort Thursday to bolster the lives of young minority (BLACK) men, seeking to use the power of the presidency to help a group of Americans whose lives are disproportionately affected by poverty and prison.

The “My Brother’s Keeper” initiative will bring foundations and companies together to test a range of strategies to support such young men, taking steps to keep them in school and out of the criminal justice system, a White House official said. Obama will also announce a more vigorous program to evaluate policies and publicize results to school systems around the country.

Yea, Obama them whites are all doing so good ,how about leave black out of it and bolster the lives of all .............View attachment 29451

So the government will now be taking the place of the missing fathers? Wow. Just wow.

What about the lives of non-black young men who also fall into poverty and prison?

The fact that government has long attempted to take over the roll of father is at the very root of the problem.

Increasing welfare and, most of all, the victimhood and entitlement mentality, is directly related to the number of out of wedlock births. Statistics show that most teens who quit school come from single parent homes. Most young people that break the law consistently and end up in prison come from single parent homes. Most teens who end up pregnant and not married come from single parent homes. Most teens who do poorly in school and do drugs come from single parent homes.

When young people do not fear consequences of their actions and were raised in a single parent home where the mom likely went the same route in her youth, they make stupid choices and do not consider the consequences of their actions. Being a 5th or 6th generation welfare dependent has taught nothing but government dependency. Too many have grown up without good role models and existing off others is all they know. They feel that society owes them something from the start.

This breakup of the family, particular minority families, is a direct result of the liberal policies that claimed to help them.

Funny that Obama came out with this after O'Reilly asked him in an interview what he intended to do to help young people.

Of course, the government can't fix this. Not only did government create much of the problems, but without literally going into people's homes and taking charge, they can't do a damn thing. If they had sent the message that stupid choices will lead to poverty or prison, maybe people would have chosen differently, but the left sought to make people comfortable in their ignorance. Parents need to actually raise their children and set good examples. Teachers can't take on any more responsibility. Of course, a few of them can't even teach subjects well.

This is just more talk from Obama and will likely result in more money being thrown at the problem through more government programs that don't work. If history taught us anything, it's that government will make the problem even worse.