Muslim Woman Teacher Gets Fired for a Haj.

[Grace]

Ill ask again. If she RESIGNED, WHY IS SHE SUING?

 

[JScott]

I agree with you here. The problem being is this is a major thing for Muslims. I agree it takes 3 weeks and it pushes the limits. Its just sticky.

Then the muslim should apply for a job that will state in their employment contract that it is agreeable that the person can take 3 weeks off AT ANY TIME for religious beliefs. Otherwise, dont accept the job, then sue them when they do what was known would be done.

I know now that if I ever opened my business again, I would never hire a muslim. Thanks for the heads up. I cant afford to lose an employee for 3 weeks. Nor will I ever hire another person with a faith that requires them to have sundays off. Im sure Ill be sued if I said no. Dont need the headache. So again...thanks for helping me solve a potential future problem.

Thats what Im here for.

 

[JBeukema]

Do Jew get Hanukkah off?

Why not? We Close everything down for Saturnalia...

Its PC bullshit.

There are plenty of atheists who agree and would love to get rid of 'Christmas'...

 

[Quantum Windbag]

You do get religious holidays if you are a Christian, or not. Paid too.

Really? Since when? The only time anyone gets a religious holiday off work is when the employer shuts the business that day. And no...we damn sure dont get paid unless we are on salary. What world do you live in???

I get paid for Christmas, whether I work it or not.

Believe it or not, most people do not get paid for days they do not work.

 

[JScott]

AAAAAAWWWWW she would have to wait 9 years.

No, if she could afford it she could have put the money away and done it when school was out for summer. Saying she had to go when she WANTED to go is total bullshit.

She would have to wait 9 years because thats how the Muslim calendar works. In 9 years she would probably have children. She went because she could afford to go. Its very simple. You arent her so how can you judge?

She made the best decision she could, I believe.

Why would she have to wait 9 years? What calendar are you looking at that makes an annual pilgrimage happen once every nine years for the rest of the world? Would it absolutely destroy your premise to point out that many families make the pilgrimage, how would her having children prevent her from going?

This calendar.
Islamic calendar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The pilgrimage happens every year but on different days because of the calendar.

 

[Samson]

Ill ask again. If she RESIGNED, WHY IS SHE SUING?

The OP sites no source that confirms that she is sueing.

Unless you believe quano-breath knows WTF he's talking about, and if that's true you've got WAY bigger problems than "Why She Is Sueing."

 

[JBeukema]

Where did I say she was evil or it was because she is muslim? Link please.
I dont give a damn about her religious beliefs. You dont take 3 weeks off a job without earning it with time earned or it being said AHEAD of time of her hiring. She was told she could not go during that period or she would be terminated. She did it anyway.
The only one making it about her religion is.....hold on...are ya ready?....you.

I didnt quote you as saying those things. You didnt. You did say you were tired of all the foreign stuff, so tired.

Muslims have to do what she did at least once in their lives if they can afford it. She could afford it now so she went. If she were to wait until she could do it in her off season she would have had to wait 9 years. Who knows what it will be like for her then.

This was a religious function as well as being a 3 week event. This is why its a sticky situation.

Its also pretty obvious the venom about her being a Muslim. In my eyes at least.

AAAAAAWWWWW she would have to wait 9 years.

No, if she could afford it she could have put the money away and done it when school was out for summer. Saying she had to go when she WANTED to go is total bullshit.

Haj must be made during Dhu al-Hijjah

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hajj

 

[JScott]

Where did I say she was evil or it was because she is muslim? Link please.
I dont give a damn about her religious beliefs. You dont take 3 weeks off a job without earning it with time earned or it being said AHEAD of time of her hiring. She was told she could not go during that period or she would be terminated. She did it anyway.
The only one making it about her religion is.....hold on...are ya ready?....you.

I didnt quote you as saying those things. You didnt. You did say you were tired of all the foreign stuff, so tired.

Muslims have to do what she did at least once in their lives if they can afford it. She could afford it now so she went. If she were to wait until she could do it in her off season she would have had to wait 9 years. Who knows what it will be like for her then.

This was a religious function as well as being a 3 week event. This is why its a sticky situation.

Its also pretty obvious the venom about her being a Muslim. In my eyes at least.

So is the Muslim Defense League coming to her defense?

Frankly, I doubt many muslims are proud that she's attracted this attention to herself: She couldn't take 3 weeks during the summer like every other teacher?

Not for this, no.

 

[Samson]

She would have to wait 9 years because thats how the Muslim calendar works. In 9 years she would probably have children. She went because she could afford to go. Its very simple. You arent her so how can you judge?

She made the best decision she could, I believe.

Why would she have to wait 9 years? What calendar are you looking at that makes an annual pilgrimage happen once every nine years for the rest of the world? Would it absolutely destroy your premise to point out that many families make the pilgrimage, how would her having children prevent her from going?

This calendar.
Islamic calendar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The pilgrimage happens every year but on different days because of the calendar.

Are you suggesting that every school system in the USA alter their academic calendars on an annual bais to accomodate Muslim Teachers?

 

[JScott]

Ill ask again. If she RESIGNED, WHY IS SHE SUING?

Because this is a gray area that needs to be explored. I know thats not good enough for you but thats the way it is.

 

[JBeukema]

If she resigned...why is she suing?

I think Ill be 3 weeks late on paying my rent. When the landlord files for me to be removed, Ill sue him. Why? Cuz I was on a pilgrimage to Jerusalem and couldnt be bothered with paying the rent due. Youre the landlord. That ok with you?
Then when you proceed, Ill sue you for stomping on my rights to go to Jerusalem and not paying my rent on time.

She is suing for the same reason a Christian would sue if they were denied any religious event they tried to go to.

Youre argument is pretty weak and the judge would force you to pay.

The Christian would lose the suit.

As they should. As should this woman.

She knew the school calendar and took the job knowing it would be unlikely she could go to Haj this year. She asked for her schedule to be covered and that wasn't possible. She decided to put her faith above the worldly concerns surrounding her employment.

Let the court rule thusly and establish a precedent for all similar cases, regardless of the particular religion or event in question.

 

[Grace]

Ill ask again. If she RESIGNED, WHY IS SHE SUING?

The OP sites no source that confirms that she is sueing.

Unless you believe quano-breath knows WTF he's talking about, and if that's true you've got WAY bigger problems than "Why She Is Sueing."

Obviously he doesnt know what he is talking about. Not sure about guano breath, though.

 

[JScott]

Really? Since when? The only time anyone gets a religious holiday off work is when the employer shuts the business that day. And no...we damn sure dont get paid unless we are on salary. What world do you live in???

I get paid for Christmas, whether I work it or not.

Believe it or not, most people do not get paid for days they do not work.

I know this more than you know.

 

[Samson]

Ill ask again. If she RESIGNED, WHY IS SHE SUING?

The OP sites no source that confirms that she is sueing.

Unless you believe quano-breath knows WTF he's talking about, and if that's true you've got WAY bigger problems than "Why She Is Sueing."

Obviously he doesnt know what he is talking about. Not sure about guano breath, though.

I'm only 98% sure.

 

[JBeukema]

The Christian would lose the suit.

So would jews
or buddhists
or scientologists
or any other religion.

The law says that an employer must make "reasonable accommodations" to someone's religious beliefs as long as it does not negatively impact the business. And also the religious accommodation must be considered an absolute of their belief. Like, you can't make a Jew eat pork on the job. Or you can't make a muslim eat anything during the day during Ramadan.

We've had people applying where I work that say they must have Sundays off because of church. We don't hire them. Why? Because the weekends are our busiest time. And it's not an absolute precondition of the Christian belief that they must attend church all day on Sunday. Thats just what the applicant wants to do.

Actually, the condition is that they cannot work on the last day of the week.

Most Christians know nothing about their own religion.

Remember the Sabbath...

 

[JScott]

Why would she have to wait 9 years? What calendar are you looking at that makes an annual pilgrimage happen once every nine years for the rest of the world? Would it absolutely destroy your premise to point out that many families make the pilgrimage, how would her having children prevent her from going?

This calendar.
Islamic calendar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The pilgrimage happens every year but on different days because of the calendar.

Are you suggesting that every school system in the USA alter their academic calendars on an annual bais to accomodate Muslim Teachers?

Is that what you got from that post? Really?

 

[RadiomanATL]

So would jews
or buddhists
or scientologists
or any other religion.

The law says that an employer must make "reasonable accommodations" to someone's religious beliefs as long as it does not negatively impact the business. And also the religious accommodation must be considered an absolute of their belief. Like, you can't make a Jew eat pork on the job. Or you can't make a muslim eat anything during the day during Ramadan.

We've had people applying where I work that say they must have Sundays off because of church. We don't hire them. Why? Because the weekends are our busiest time. And it's not an absolute precondition of the Christian belief that they must attend church all day on Sunday. Thats just what the applicant wants to do.

Actually, the condition is that they cannot work on the last day of the week.

Most Christians know nothing about their own religion.

Remember the Sabbath...

But it's not a condition of being a Christian. Thats the point I'm trying to make. Doesn't matter what day of the week it is.

 

[Grace]

The law says that an employer must make "reasonable accommodations" to someone's religious beliefs as long as it does not negatively impact the business. And also the religious accommodation must be considered an absolute of their belief. Like, you can't make a Jew eat pork on the job. Or you can't make a muslim eat anything during the day during Ramadan.

We've had people applying where I work that say they must have Sundays off because of church. We don't hire them. Why? Because the weekends are our busiest time. And it's not an absolute precondition of the Christian belief that they must attend church all day on Sunday. Thats just what the applicant wants to do.

Actually, the condition is that they cannot work on the last day of the week.

Most Christians know nothing about their own religion.

Remember the Sabbath...

But it's not a condition of being a Christian. Thats the point I'm trying to make. Doesn't matter what day of the week it is.

Bears repeating (the bold).

 

[syrenn]

The Christian would lose the suit.

So would jews
or buddhists
or scientologists
or any other religion.

All conjecture.

Really? Can i give up working every for lent? Paied or unpaied, children or no children, Lent last 48 days every year, i somehow dont think that would fly even ONCE.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Its a little sticky but she asked for 3 weeks unpaid leave and when she couldnt get that she resigned.

This country was made up of "foreign" beliefs, Grace. Youre just used to the ones we have.

This was something she had to do for her religious beliefs. I dont see why you people think shes so evil. Wait, shes Muslim....right.....

I dont even believe in any religious hocus pocus but I sure can see how some of you think you have every right in the world to have it your way. F**k the rest, right?

The five pillars of Islam requires the Hajj before a person dies. Unless she was in danger of dying in the next year she did not have to do it when she did.

She decided to do it when she could afford it.

She does not have a case that this was the only possible year she could do it. If she has the money now, she can put it in a bank and still have it next year, or 20 years down the road. There was no need for her to go now, and no need for her employer to let her go now.

I attend religious functions all the time, and I always work with my employer to let them know when I will be going.

This woman gets a job in November, 9 months later she decides she want to go on the hajj, and asks for the time off. the school district denies the request, which she could have made 9 months before when she got the job.

There is nothing at all sticky or questionable about what the district did. Her request was unreasonable because she waited until the last minute before making it. I might agree with you if she had asked earlier, or if it was something that she could not possibly have known about in advance. Her request was unreasonable, and the government is making a fool out of you by taking it on.